Most faked airplane landing ever: how to proove stuborn parents?

[Bram Turismo]

I mean, seriously, from 40 seconds into the video, you see that it's fake. Firstly, how can a wing drop off just like that? Second, granted the power of the engine may save it, but there's no way an airplane can brake speed that abrubtly after such a dive towards the ground. And third, look at the bounce and the camera following the plane, you clearly see this could well be a PS1 game...

Seriously, my dad's a pilot, don't parents EVER investigate 3D graphics?

 

[OZZYGT]

That landing is down right hilarious. I think the pilot pressed the "Easy button" from staples on that one...

 

[mr_VOLCANO]

Your dad is a pilot and thinks this is real??

Heia Norge!

 

[V1P3R]

They can't tell THAT is fake? Did they think the action scenes in the Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions was real too? wow...

Edit: Gotta watch again! Highlight of my day! Actually this thread is made of WIN.

Edit:

oh god... god, can't stop laughing. someone thinks this is real! AGAIN!

 

[bergauk]

I'm not sure what to say about that video. But I've done some quick internet research and dug up this video. Its of an F-15 pilot who flew his F-15 down with one wing after having a mid air accident with another pilot.



I'm not sure about the video you posted being real but given enough thought it could be possible.

 

[V1P3R]

They were proposing in the first vid that the prop would act like a helicopter and that's how they were able to land. It's preposterous to even think that's possible. As the above video it's jet propelled and well, computers probably helped too.

 

[daan]

http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/onewing.asp

 

[Rykon Zero]

Well, that would be an interesting party trick, if you pulled it off. Imagine, yuo get in a dogfight, and you get a wing blown off. they think they're all successfull, then you pull up beside it with your bare wing and cover his canopy in jet fuel. Can you imagine the look on their face?

 

[bergauk]

Well this is why we don't listen to youtube comments, most people don't know what theyre talking about. And given the right RC pilot a Knife edge landing is possible. And given enough thought it makes sense on how its possible.

 

[V1P3R]

💡

 

[Duke]

They were proposing in the first vid that the prop would act like a helicopter and that's how they were able to land. It's preposterous to even think that's possible.

Actually, no, it's not preposterous to think that at all. I agree, the quality of this video makes it highly likely that it is faked, or at least augmented. The most telling bit to me is that to come in like that, he'd be holding massive left rudder, and it appears to be neutral or even right, though the image blurs right then.

But do not think for a minute that a very high-performance aerobatic plane like that couldn't hang on the prop. It's very conceivable that it could - these things have a weight-to-power ratio better than a sportbike by far. Add to that massive control surface areas and control throws (the degree angle that the surface moves, and you get incredibly maneuverable aircraft. And with a propellor sweep that massive in an aircraft that light, it's not going to pick up much speed at all with the engine idling - I've flown models that would not accelerate at idle, even when pointed almost directly at the ground. And the airplanes are designed to be disassembled for shipping as well, so the wing could come off at the root like that without tearing it off, if a fastener failed or if it was not properly assembled.

I agree this video is not real, but I disagree mightily that the very idea is preposterous. These are some RC planes of the same type of aerobatic design as that 'real' plane. The yellow one is 35% of full size.

I understand RC != real. But look at some of this stuff - and I've seen similar flying in real aircraft.

110" wingspan - about half scale, maybe 40%

 

[V1P3R]

Well, I was talking about making a "smooth landing" not the actual flying. I agree it would be able to control, but not really as well as it looked in the vid.

 

[a6m5]

I'm not sure what to say about that video. But I've done some quick internet research and dug up this video. Its of an F-15 pilot who flew his F-15 down with one wing after having a mid air accident with another pilot.



I'm not sure about the video you posted being real but given enough thought it could be possible.

Dang, the show was just getting good!

 

[OZZYGT]

Nice vid, but the music sold me on it.

Led Zep 4 ever

 

[Wolfe]

For anyone still undecided, there's absolutely no question that the video has been edited. The fall and bounce from 0:48 to 0:50 are both physically impossible and digitally smooth.

 

[Bram Turismo]

For anyone still undecided, there's absolutely no question that the video has been edited. The fall and bounce from 0:48 to 0:50 are both physically impossible and digitally smooth.

Exactly what I tried to make clear.

I believe it's possible, because it is. But a plane can never land so fast from such a dive in just 2 seconds with such a bounce

The F-15 is downright amazing flying skill right there, but a wing doesn't "just" fall off, like seen in the F-15 video, there's lots of debry. (debri?)

 

[Danoff]

I agree this video is not real, but I disagree mightily that the very idea is preposterous.

👍 I've seen an acrobatic prop-driven aircraft hang vertically like a helicopter during an airshow, so I can confirm that it is indeed possible.

In fact, would that not be the way to land under the circumstances? If you lost a wing in an aircraft capable of hanging in the air like a helicopter, wouldn't you want to go into that position and lower it down slowly?

 

[Omnis]

Those RC planes don't have any of the heavy nav, safety, and aeronautical systems though. Still, if a plane can climb straight up, it should be able to hover, right?

 

[Greycap]

Still, if a plane can climb straight up, it should be able to hover, right?

Yep. The best aerobatic aircraft (Extras and Sukhois at least) have thrust to weight ratios of 1:1 or even better. They'll happily hang on the prop all day or until the tanks is dry.

 

[V1P3R]

Well, I was talking about making a "smooth landing" not the actual flying. I agree it would be able to control, but not really as well as it looked in the vid.

Yeah... again. I was talking about the act of flying and landing without further damage in this manner is preposterous people.

Unless someone can dig up video of that actually happening.

 

[Duke]

Yeah... again. I was talking about the act of flying and landing without further damage in this manner is preposterous people.

Not to bust your chops, but if that truly was your intent, then you should have written something other than this:

They were proposing in the first vid that the prop would act like a helicopter and that's how they were able to land. It's preposterous to even think that's possible.

I'm really not trying to be a jerk (and I am speaking 100% unofficially), but it's probably not a great idea to repeat your backpedal attempts. Just let it lie.

 

[01GTP]

I just loved the X-travel video and just for information, a buddy of mine can hover (prop up) an RC plane that has a wing span on 108"(274cm), which are detachable.

He can also fly a small RC in a house hovering around obstacles.

 

[Bram Turismo]

👍 I've seen an acrobatic prop-driven aircraft hang vertically like a helicopter during an airshow, so I can confirm that it is indeed possible.

In fact, would that not be the way to land under the circumstances? If you lost a wing in an aircraft capable of hanging in the air like a helicopter, wouldn't you want to go into that position and lower it down slowly?

Those RC planes don't have any of the heavy nav, safety, and aeronautical systems though. Still, if a plane can climb straight up, it should be able to hover, right?

Yep. The best aerobatic aircraft (Extras and Sukhois at least) have thrust to weight ratios of 1:1 or even better. They'll happily hang on the prop all day or until the tanks is dry.

I'll take this a proof that the video is fake. I've taken a look at those RC vids, and it indeed seems that the only chance for such an aircraft to land is to hover it slowly back to land, instead of taking such a dive...

On that, how exactly does the airplane get affected by the loss of one wing? One should think that the plane would have a tention to roll, and rolling the plane in the opposite direction of the spinning would make it nearly impossible to roll, or am I badly mistaken here?

 

[Wolfe]

My guess is that the loss of the wing changes the center of gravity, so the plane no longer rolls about an axis through the center of the fuselage. With enough lift and enough of a shift in the CG to facilitate level flying, it can be done.

 

[Duke]

In most planes, it would mean a series of snaprolls into a spin, and death. In a small, light, overpowered aerobatic plane, it would do just that in the hands of an excellent pilot - fall into a knifedge with the good wing up, essentially using the shape of the fuselage, the vertical stabilizer, and massive power as the lifting force and steering with the elevators. I don't think you could get enough roll rate with one aileron missing to snap it wheels down just above the ground, but some do allow you to mix the elevators into aileron mode, which might give you enough.

 

[wfooshee]

Ailerons on aerobatic planes are HUGE! sometimes the entire span. A regular plane the ailerons are a few feet out near the tip. A regular plane would roll rapidly towards the missing wing, unable to counteract the lopsided lift. An aerobatic plane would not be able to hold level flight, but could knife edge.

The roll rate required for the snap at touchdown would not be possible, though, as that is fighting the only wing. But I HAVE seen it done by RC modelers. A few times. Sometimes the plane still works afterwards.

I've seen the guy who used to fly in air shows hover his biplane for several minutes, and even maneuver in circles hanging from the prop. The endurance limit (according to the show announcer) is oil temperature.

 

[the Interceptor]

I think you can see quite clearly that this is CGI, especially when the plane lands. Nevertheless, it's well done. There's one thing that strikes me though. When the plane loses its wing, it starts to spin for a moment. But the spin is the wrong way. Given the aerodynamics of the wing that's still there, the plane should rotate the other way.

 

[Jay]

This video was put on our evening news a few days and they proposed it as real, I laughed when I saw it and was suprised they went with it, quite clearly CGI

 

[Bram Turismo]

I think you can see quite clearly that this is CGI, especially when the plane lands. Nevertheless, it's well done. There's one thing that strikes me though. When the plane loses its wing, it starts to spin for a moment. But the spin is the wrong way. Given the aerodynamics of the wing that's still there, the plane should rotate the other way.

What exactly makes the plane roll when losing the wing? As in: How do you know which direction it's going to roll? Does it depend on the direction the rotor spins? Or relays it on that it will be spinning the way the other wing pushes it to?

 

[wfooshee]

If the right wing falls off, you only have lift on the left side. The left side will rise, the right side will fall, causing roll to the right. It will allways want to roll toward the missing wing.

Assuming the remaining wing is not stalled, or the aileron is big enough to counteract the entire wing's lift, which is possible on a stunt plane, very likely on a RC model, not even remotely possible on a normal airplane.

Regarding that last sentence: English is my native language.