Most realistic FFB settings...?

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A quick question for those who drive real cars in some kind of racing capacity.... What is the most realistic settings for force feedback to replicate how a real wheel reacts in a real car. I don't drive for real yet and I'm wondering, do real cars even give 'feedback' as such in the way playing the game on a DFGT wheel can do?

Setting the FFB to anything above 5 just offers way too much I feel, surely real cars don't push against you as severely as this? Watching videos in real cockpits makes the steering seem rather easy and professionals can counter steer incredibly quickly (and one handed). Playing the game I find this impossible if the FFB is set too high and I don't think I'm that much of a weakling! Why is there such high settings and what should it be set to, for the DFGT (and particular settings for the other wheels if anyone else has wondered the same thing too)?

Should Power Steering actually be set to on as well..? Questions questions, but does anyone have answers!? Would very much appreciate it! Just want the most realistic feeling settings I can get with my wheel. P.S. I can't afford a G27 either before you say I should get one! :p
 
I think I have mine on 8... It gives good feedback without making it hard to actually turn...

EDIT: I have Logitech Driving Force Pro - set on simulation...

I drive with all aids off except ABS-1... Manual obviously :P I love it... Takes time to set up tho...
 
Im using G25 and i set mine to simulation(although this isnt used with the g25) ffb to 10 and power steering on.
 
My g27 is set to 10 , and power steering is off i think it's realistic enough , i have never driven my car on a track though , so i'm not sure if i can compare both.
 
Catlin
Im using G25 and i set mine to simulation(although this isnt used with the g25) ffb to 10 and power steering on.
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Does the p/steering make the car feel better?
 
Gik69
Does the p/steering make the car feel better?
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To me,easier to drift with,im always switching it on and off i cant decide most of the time,but i do alot of drifting so leave it on for that.
 
Catlin
To me,easier to drift with,im always switching it on and off i cant decide most of the time,but i do alot of drifting so leave it on for that.
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I race V8's so might try it
 
FFB @ 7. DFGT. Power Steering is ON in game, but OFF in real life. I don't like how GT5 simulates low speed turning, so I keep PS ON in game. But I do like how GT5 tries to simulate the entire feel of the car through the wheel. Driving on Comfort Softs on a car with tall sidewalls is interesting as you can feel the body roll, sidewalls compress, reach it's limits of grip and start to under steer.

While it may look like drivers are one-handing it IRL, it still can be a challenge. I've come back after many a weekend with sore arms and shoulders.
 
Thanks for the feedback guys. I'm just worried that putting the power steering on might reduce the FFB feel... But don't most cars have power steering as default or am I just making that up? I thought cars were pretty undrive-able without it (or at least make it far more taxing on the driver physically).
 
KopparbergDave
... But don't most cars have power steering as default or am I just making that up? I thought cars were pretty undrive-able without it (or at least make it far more taxing on the driver physically).
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Yes, *most* all cars have a power steering system. *Some* race cars do not have power steering, or have the power steering system removed. We take off our systems for weight reduction, and ease of maintenance. With it off, it's one less thing to worry about. And, once you are moving and out of the paddock, the assist isn't really needed. And and and... with no power steering assist, you can feel the rack and road better. :)
 
I think I am missing something here... Where is the option for PS on the DFGT? I do not think I have seen it?

I am interested to see if it is set to on as I am not 100% happy with the settings on mine at the moment and it might make a difference :nervous:
 
KopparbergDave
Setting the FFB to anything above 5 just offers way too much I feel, surely real cars don't push against you as severely as this? Watching videos in real cockpits makes the steering seem rather easy and professionals can counter steer incredibly quickly (and one handed). Playing the game I find this impossible if the FFB is set too high and I don't think I'm that much of a weakling! Why is there such high settings and what should it be set to, for the DFGT (and particular settings for the other wheels if anyone else has wondered the same thing too)?
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It really, really, really depends on the car :) Sorry, but there is no correct answer here. For example, two of my daily-drivers are at opposite extremes of the spectrum. When pushed hard my Toyota has absolutely zero steering feedback from the road. It might best be described as "driving a dead fish". Steering weight and feel are exactly the same no matter what I do. It will pull a little through deep water of course, but other than that type of thing, there is no feedback whatsoever to tell me what's happening up front. My Porsche on the other hand; I can tell if I just ran over a quarter or if it was two dimes and a nickel. And in that car, the feedback can be quite powerful under the correct circumstances (broken fingernails a number of times snatching the wheel during a counter-steering maneuver at autocross, for example).

In the end, decide what kind of a car you like in real life in then get some driving time in one. Then get in a close cousin in GT5 and begin adjusting settings until your wheel feels as much as possible like that same car does in real life. Worked for me.

(P.S. Nearly all modern "daily drivers" have power steering, but it certainly isn't necessary. Many motorsports enthusiasts will tell you that most power-steering systems reduce road feel, and are thus bad.)
 
After testing from my last post,im decided to leave it on for drifting and leave it off for racing properly,it feels alot tighter etc with it off so you can be more precise when racing.
 
Around 5 FFB with Power Steering ON is probably about right (PS on sends more detail to the wheel too). In real life different drivers like different power steering, if you find that 5 FFB is too strong then turn it down. You got guys that want FFB to rip their arms off, it's not realistic and its not going to make you fast.

All it's going to do is wear out your wheel and your wrists.
 
I've done about 10 laps on a track in a NASCAR and have owned a variety of different sports or sporty cars (Lancer Evo, S2000, Camaro SS, etc.). For a street car, I'd say FFB at 1-3 is pretty accurate. For a race car, maybe 5-6. Anything above that, like bigbazz said, is just exercise for your forearms than realistic, in my opinion. And you'll break your wheel. But if you're looking for the most realistic experience, you really should be driving with ABS off (and other aids too), at least for race cars.
 
KopparbergDave
Thanks for the feedback guys. I'm just worried that putting the power steering on might reduce the FFB feel... But don't most cars have power steering as default or am I just making that up? I thought cars were pretty undrive-able without it (or at least make it far more taxing on the driver physically).
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it's not undrive-able, it's just alot heavier to steer when you are trying to park, when you get the car running there's just a little difference
 
YellowG1
if you're looking for the most realistic experience, you really should be driving with ABS off (and other aids too), at least for race cars.
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I don't agree.. Most of race cars have electronic wich help. Traction control and abs.. I love how dfgt helps to control those settings live, at the touch of a botton.
 
YellowG1
I've done about 10 laps on a track in a NASCAR and have owned a variety of different sports or sporty cars (Lancer Evo, S2000, Camaro SS, etc.). For a street car, I'd say FFB at 1-3 is pretty accurate. For a race car, maybe 5-6. Anything above that, like bigbazz said, is just exercise for your forearms than realistic, in my opinion. And you'll break your wheel. But if you're looking for the most realistic experience, you really should be driving with ABS off (and other aids too), at least for race cars.
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So I've been exercising for almost a year now, lol. I'll try and turn down my ffb. (simulation, ps off, ffb 7 on any car)
 
I thought PS only alowed the resistance to go to zero when you move the wheel sharply like you would when bringing the wheel back to neutral coming out of a corner.
 
YellowG1
I've done about 10 laps on a track in a NASCAR and have owned a variety of different sports or sporty cars (Lancer Evo, S2000, Camaro SS, etc.). For a street car, I'd say FFB at 1-3 is pretty accurate. For a race car, maybe 5-6. Anything above that, like bigbazz said, is just exercise for your forearms than realistic, in my opinion. And you'll break your wheel. But if you're looking for the most realistic experience, you really should be driving with ABS off (and other aids too), at least for race cars.
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Really? I have cars with out ABS and the brakes do not lock up on them as soon as I touch the pedal like cars do in GT5 with out ABS on! In the real world, true race cars rarely have ABS but the effort to lock up the brakes is much more than what PD put in the game.
 

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