Most realistic tires for these cars?

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I have a feeling SH are very unrealistic of a tire for a Toyota GT86. The car should have a bit better tires than a Prius's Eco tires. So I was wondering what tires I should be using.

Other cars I'm curious about:
  • Acura NSX '91
  • Mazda RX-8 '07
  • Bmw 135i
  • Honda S2000 '06
  • Nissan 300ZX '86


Thanks soo much in advance. :)

I'm sure this will be brought up, yes I used the search button and no I didn't find anything.
 
Comfort Medium for all of them, maybe except the Mazda RX-8, which achieves most realistic lap times on Comfort Hard.
 
szejok666
That's tricky one, I had a problem with deciding if it should ride on CM or CS. I should say CM. CS would rather be PZERO Corsa or Michelin Pilot Sport Cup in case of this car.
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I've started to notice something, if I take for say a ZR1 with CS and another car they tend to get around the corner at the same speed even if the ZR1 has massive tires on the rear.

Does the game have a set lateral grip for each tire?
 
noremac
I've started to notice something, if I take for say a ZR1 with CS and another car they tend to get around the corner at the same speed even if the ZR1 has massive tires on the rear.

Does the game have a set lateral grip for each tire?
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The tire models are generic. What changes from car to car is the grip multiplier which you can't see, but is encoded with each car. So two cars on Sports Hards, one with a grip multiplier of 100 and another with a GM of 105, will feel completely different on the same tire. It's PD's way of simulating the different grip levels of sports cars, sedans, older vs. newer, supercars, racecars etc.

Hybriding in GT5 revealed that there were also hidden compounds with each tire, a C and a V grade, which had different levels of lateral and longitudinal grip, albeit only a slight difference. I haven't hybrided in GT6 but IIRC, they C and V rated tires are no longer present.
 
noremac
I have a feeling SH are very unrealistic of a tire for a Toyota GT86. The car should have a bit better tires than a Prius's Eco tires.
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I blame Top Gear for this. The tires you get on a stock 86/BRZ/FR-S are not the same tires you get on a Prius. For one they are a different diameter because no Prius comes with 17 inch wheels. Secondly, they are wider because no Prius comes with 215s. Thirdly, a slimmer, smaller variant is available on a "performance" trim package Prius in Japan, but they are also OEM tires for many cars including Lexus, Mercedes-Benz, and Audi vehicles.

When people say "Prius tires" it makes people think they are using the tires that are equipped to almost every Prius out there which they are definitely not doing.

I don't have an answer to your actual question, just trying to clear up a very common misconception.
 
noremac
I've started to notice something, if I take for say a ZR1 with CS and another car they tend to get around the corner at the same speed even if the ZR1 has massive tires on the rear.

Does the game have a set lateral grip for each tire?
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What is this "other car" you speak of? Is it on SH while the ZR1 is on the aforementioned CS? I shudder to think what it could be, as the ZR1 has by far the most grip of any production car I've driven in the game. (I'm referring to the C6--if the C4 was implied, it probably should have been specified.)

Oh and I would go with CH on the Z31 and not the recommended CM. I've driven them in both locales and CH break more appropriately than CM.
 
Acura NSX '91 and GT 86/FRS/BRZ are on CH tire :) I have replica made for the NSX '91, CH tire at Laguna Seca, it can beat the real life lap time posted by later model NSX. While for the GT86 trio, Tsukuba lap time for BRZ and 86 was around 1:09s for MT + optional factory LSD, should be easily done on CH.
 
Below are my 2 cents:

For all the regular cars that are not performance oriented such as Prius, they use regular all season tires which are similar to Comfort Hard.

For most regular performance road cars, the OEM specs are usually ultra high performance all season tires such as Continental ExtremeContact DWS, Bridgestone Potenza ER33. These tires are similar to Comfort Medium.

Usually high performance summer tires such as Michelin Pilot Super Sport, Dunlop Sport Maxx, Hankook Vetus12 etc are usually upgradable options for performance road cars or come standard on cars like BMW M3. These tires are similar to Comfort Soft.

Semi-slick tires that people use for autocross/track are similar to Sport Hard.

Slick tires are probably Sport Medium or Sport Soft.

Race tires, no idea. This is beyond my experience.

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Beside the material and compound of the tires, I think the comparison between the game and real life is missing a lot of other things which can be essential.

1. Tire width. In real life, the wider the tire, the more contact and grip you have. In game, we don't have this number.

2. The tire wall height. In real life, the thinner the wall, the stiffer the car gets. In game we don't have this number.

3. Offset. This is related to wheel fitment in real life cars. In game, we don't have this number.

4. Non-staggered or Staggered set up? This refers to either running the same wheel/tires specs on both the front and the back or not.

The optimal suspension set up is affected by the the wheel specs such as 4 parameters above too. I believe car builder expert can comment more on this.
 
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TexRex
What is this "other car" you speak of? Is it on SH while the ZR1 is on the aforementioned CS? I shudder to think what it could be, as the ZR1 has by far the most grip of any production car I've driven in the game. (I'm referring to the C6--if the C4 was implied, it probably should have been specified.)

Oh and I would go with CH on the Z31 and not the recommended CM. I've driven them in both locales and CH break more appropriately than CM.
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I can't remember what car I was using, maby a mustang? Both were using the same tire. Oh and yeah it was the C6 :)
 
For a street & track tire, I'd use CM or CS for all of them. For a universal tire that you could use for every car in the game besides legit racecars, I'd say SH. Some cars are just too powerful for CS tires. Have fun with the Zonda R or Speed 12 or FXX on CS tires.

You can't just go by real life lap times, unless you're the one who set them, or unless you know for a fact that those lap times are basically the best the car is capable of. Otherwise, you're going on someone else's word/experience and setting your GT6 car up to match a time that may or may not be the best it can be.
 
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I really wish PD would put more information into Gran Turismo. Instead of giving us a couple generic sentences for a description, I wish they would provide much more detailed information. Yes, it's awesome that we have 9 different grades of tires to choose from (I am not including Rain or Dirt or Snow): CH, M, CS, SH, SM, SS, RH, RM and RS. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't know of a single car that comes from the dealership with CH tires. So why have them then?

I don't personally care if you're the type of person who slaps RS tires on everything - if that's how you enjoy the game, that's cool! However, I know for a fact that there are thousands and thousands of people who are looking for as much realism as possible from this game. I tend to agree with the people who believe CM tires are what you'd typically find on a family sedan and even some sporty coupe's. CS are going to be the higher-end tires that you find on a BMW M class car, Corvette's etc... And then I think that also trickles over into SH territory. Like SuzukaStar said, a car like the Ferrari FXX or Zonda R just can't be driven on Comfort grade tires - at least not how they're represented in this game.

I'm just as guilty as many other people for throwing SS tires on my sports car's (Aventador, Nissan GT-R, Ferrari's) because it fuels my ego for lower lap times that I can't produce at my current skill level. I know for a fact that SuzukaStar could whoop my butt around Suzuka even if he used CS tires and I used SS on the same car setup. Skill makes a huge difference!
 
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I do respect the opinion of "tire snobs" (those who promote comfort (H, M, S) over sport tires.)
I respect them because they seek to preserve realism in the game.

I even back them when they say that racing soft compound does not belong on non-racing sports cars and many racing cars.

It does take skill to pilot supercars on comfort series tires. It would be nice to clear up however just what tires belong of what cars. This is something PD should take care of. But as a rule of thumb, maybe it’s wise to use what the car comes with when you buy it.

I will say that racing cars minus, LMP’s and Formulas work really well with sports soft.
As mentioned above, comfort grade tires are not a match for Ferrari FXX or a Shelby Cobra.
Not if you are trying to stick to real life. Because in real life those cars and others in this game will simply tear a comfort equivalent tire right off the rim.

Seriously, that grade of tire would be near treadless after a lap at Nurburgring on a car with that much power/torque being pushed hard.
 
Blood*Specter
I do respect the opinion of "tire snobs" (those who promote comfort (H, M, S) over sport tires.)
I respect them because they seek to preserve realism in the game.
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I don't mind when people use racing tires, but personally I find SS more then grippy enough for any vehicle that I would use.

It's also great seeing the opinions of many people and how similar they are. :D
 
I just slap on whatever tyres I feel like slapping on. Usually if it's a road car then it will be whichever sports tyre I feel like using, and if it's a racing car, usually RS, but again, depends on what mood I'm in.
 

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