Moving from DFGT to CSR-E, and questions

thechosenwonton

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So... I've had my CSR-E wheel for about two weeks now, but unable to use as the CSR-E pedals were out of stock. Finally got those yesterday, so was able to do some testing last night.

I was fairly disappointed to find myself quite a bit SLOWER using the CSR-E. I expected a bit of a dropoff, but I went from the guy that normally is in the top 3 online, to back of the pack. Not exactly sure why either (which is the part that worries me); the wheel feels faster in my hand, the FFB and feel is better but just can't seem to... I dunno. I wasn't crashing a lot, just overall slower.

I'm sure there is a learning curve associated with this, but has anyone else experienced the same? If so, was practice the cure? Settings? Adjustments to the pedals?

Any settings or tips for GT5 would be most appreciated.

Also, if its just a practice issue and me getting used to it, I can accept that - I remember when I moved from a controller to a wheel (long time ago) I was quite a bit slower with the wheel initially, and then was much faster over time - I just didn't expect an almost $800 investment to immediately put me back to average joe online.

Thanks in advance for any advice.
 
You sure it wasn't just a coincidence? From the sounds of it you havn't had much time playing it, so maybe you just had a few unlucky races?
 
If its GT5 you are talking about make sure you have the wheel rotation set to 900º because the game is designed around that (in every car even the F1s)
 
^^good tip. I turned it down to 640 to be more linear. I'll set it back to 900 and see if that helps. I couldn't put my finger on it, it just felt... almost to sharp, which effected the way I drove - which now makes sense that it was being too linear.
 
Yes i too am slower going from Microsoft Wireless Wheel to a CSRE, but i am having so much more fun re-learning proper driving skills with a proper wheel that the practice is more fun. i understand your frustration though and i think you need some more tweeking of settings until you get that sweet spot. its a lot difficult in some ways having a wheel with more settings, because if they arent right it will cost you lap times, but once you get it hooked up you will be just as fast as your DFGT, but you will be able to feel what the car is doing more, which makes the game that much more exciting.
 
I'm sure your right lemansfanatic - the DFGT had built in a bit of "slop"; I've been driving with that since GT5 Prologue, so there was bound to be a learning curve. I may try actually making the wheel a little less linear - I think it is the center point that has me bothered... has a distinctive "snap" on center which I think is throwing my rhythm off. As with anything, doesn't matter how fast it is if you're not comfortable with it, and I don't feel comfortable atm - I will say that I can get the car now CRAZY out of shape and save it, the wheel is just super quick/precise.
 
I have the opposite problem with my elite. i have it almost to where i want because i can feel right where the edge of adhesion is and back off in time to avoid a tank slapper, but once i get a little out of shape its over and im off everytime. i need to tweek it more to aid in recovery but not too loose the feeling of road surface grip in the process.
 
Here are some settings I ran across that may/may not work for some of you:

SEN 900 ( going lower wipes out a lot of FFB info like understeer)
FF 100 ( if you want FFB stronger or lighter do it in the game menu. Dropping it on the wheel causes a loss of FFB effects )
Sho 100
dri OFF
Abs 75
Lin 0
dEA 0
SPr -3 (dropping this seems to improve the feel of the onset of understeer as I think GT5 sends quite strong centering forces to the wheel)
dPr -3
ACL off

The SPr to -3 and dPr to -3 are interesting to me, as I think the majority of my problem adjusting is the snap back to center - I didn't have time to try this tonight, work got in the way, but I'll be testing and hopefully it will work for me.

I don't mind having a small learning curve, but I've been driving with wheels forever, and was expecting much, much more given all the great reviews I've read regarding this wheel. Here's hoping I become as enamored as the others.

Edit: also - this appears to be only me and one other person? I find it odd that so few people have commented on this thread; has no one came from a "lesser" wheel to find themselves be slower with the CSR-E? And if so, was it settings, adjustments, or just plain old getting used to it?
 
thechosenwonton
Here are some settings I ran across that may/may not work for some of you:

SEN 900 ( going lower wipes out a lot of FFB info like understeer)
FF 100 ( if you want FFB stronger or lighter do it in the game menu. Dropping it on the wheel causes a loss of FFB effects )
Sho 100
dri OFF
Abs 75
Lin 0
dEA 0
SPr -3 (dropping this seems to improve the feel of the onset of understeer as I think GT5 sends quite strong centering forces to the wheel)
dPr -3
ACL off
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What ingame settings do you use for this CSR Elite-settings? Especially force feedback strenght? When I tried your settings with FF 10 I could not get any understeer/oversteer information out of my wheel.

I prefer ingame FF-setting "3" and the wheel-SEN to 450. Then I get at least some information about understeer/oversteer (but not half as much as in Forza 4).
 
tomcat66
What ingame settings do you use for this CSR Elite-settings? Especially force feedback strenght? When I tried your settings with FF 10 I could not get any understeer/oversteer information out of my wheel.

I prefer ingame FF-setting "3" and the wheel-SEN to 450. Then I get at least some information about understeer/oversteer (but not half as much as in Forza 4).
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In GT5 you have to set wheel rotation to 900º if you want a simulation experience. The game was designed with 900º in mind. Anything else will mess up linearity. But if you wish to turn the wheel less and make it more sensible (but less precise) then its up to you... IMO it ruins the experience

thechosenwonton
The SPr to -3 and dPr to -3 are interesting to me, as I think the majority of my problem adjusting is the snap back to center - I didn't have time to try this tonight, work got in the way, but I'll be testing and hopefully it will work for me.

I don't mind having a small learning curve, but I've been driving with wheels forever, and was expecting much, much more given all the great reviews I've read regarding this wheel. Here's hoping I become as enamored as the others.

Edit: also - this appears to be only me and one other person? I find it odd that so few people have commented on this thread; has no one came from a "lesser" wheel to find themselves be slower with the CSR-E? And if so, was it settings, adjustments, or just plain old getting used to it?
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Havent you improove your times after switching to 900º?
 
I'm having the same problems, yet I am coming from a controller and real life driving.

I too was expecting it to be "easier" but the problem is the numbness that the front tires get during oversteer. front tire feel just vanishes once the tail slides out and makes your brain assume there is no grip even though there is.

very frustrating when you see youtube videos of people who seem to have no trace of that problem. it makes me wonder if my wheel is a dud.
 
Haven't tried it yet Tribolik but I will - and please take those settings I posted with a grain of salt; I have not run them yet, had work stuff to do most of last night. I'll check it out this morning though.

To pinkprolobro - yes... I would say that front end "feel" is my primary issue; ffb just seems to be static for the front end so its difficult to tell how much turn angle you need to put in - even on the DFGT, you turn in, turn in some more, and you can feel the slip angle when its too much - with the CSR-E - not; I would expect the opposite. Who knows - if you have the latest batch of wheels, you're running on 722 as well; perhaps they've made some tweaks to this firmware that went backwards on GT5. Have no benchmark to compare, so who knows.

Again, could totally be my settings - does anyone use this wheel on GT5 that has good things to say, or even better, preferred settings that just "clicked" with the game?

EDIT:

So FFB 10 in GT5, automatic assists to OFF (no assists in GT5)

Just tried:
SEN 900
FF 100
Sho 100
dri OFF
Abs 50
Lin 0
dEA 0
SPr -3
dPr 3
ACL off

This improved the feel greatly - not sure why it was suggested to run dPr to -3 - that didn't work for me. But spring to -3, dPr to 3, and FF to 100 I was able to get a good feel, and actually "push/hustle" the car like I can with the DFGT. My main issue I think was the stock SPr setting to 0 - it REALLY snaps on center, which in a race car, I could appreciate, but regular road cars, even fast ones, don't do that; I found myself trying to anticipate the snap, rather than focusing on driving which as I'm sure you know; the moment you become distracted even a little bit, your times will suffer.

I like the wheel, but don't love it. I think many of the reviews have just been overly glowing, perhaps its my queue to move into iRacing that has a very good FFB engine. Still can't get a good feel for the front end; I can certainly feel the difference with the pedals, and the wheel when holding a slide - but sliding sideways isn't faster; being planted is.

More testing to come - I tried the V12 Vanquish on SH @ Deep Forest and ran a 1:22.5 (completely bone stock car) - which seems competitive given the weight and tires. Also, every lap was faster than the previous, and I could tell there is more in the car - I would guess a 1:21 flat should be possible. Perhaps moving to stickier tires, or a car that I have tuned specific to me will help me to have better feel for the front end. Better, but not perfect yet.

Bottom line, changing to 900' and dropping the centering spring to -3 really seemed to help my overall ability to push, which now means I can start adjusting my driving towards the wheel. If anyone has any suggestions on getting more front end feel in GT5, I'm all ears.
 
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Hi
I just purchased a csr elite wheel and clubsport pedals from the USA, and i am 'glad' to hear i'm not the only one finding it hard to match my old times with the DFGT.
Obviously i anticipated a learning curve, and to be honest, i am getting closer and closer, and having much more fun driving now than before. It really is like relearning the game all over again.

The major issue i have is with understeer. I have solved the braking and shaking at high speeds, but understeer seems to be the thing making me lose at least 1-1.5 seconds a lap, particularly in low speed corners. I read on the fanatec site that these wheels will simulate more understeer, but i am positive that there will be a sweet spot that eliminates this feeling. I am currently running default settings with sens set to 410 and lin set to 20.

If it is something that is symptomatic of better quality wheels, i am fine with that because it is a much more challenging and enjoyable experience, i just don't appreciate getting rolled by 1.5 seconds a lap online by people with DFGT's.:P
 
My son drove with a DFGT and after using my CSR-E with clubsport pedals will not use his wheel any more.

He was faster almost immediately with my wheel.

He says the brakes are especially the difference.
 
thechosenwonton
Haven't tried it yet Tribolik but I will - and please take those settings I posted with a grain of salt; I have not run them yet, had work stuff to do most of last night. I'll check it out this morning though.

To pinkprolobro - yes... I would say that front end "feel" is my primary issue; ffb just seems to be static for the front end so its difficult to tell how much turn angle you need to put in - even on the DFGT, you turn in, turn in some more, and you can feel the slip angle when its too much - with the CSR-E - not; I would expect the opposite. Who knows - if you have the latest batch of wheels, you're running on 722 as well; perhaps they've made some tweaks to this firmware that went backwards on GT5. Have no benchmark to compare, so who knows.

Again, could totally be my settings - does anyone use this wheel on GT5 that has good things to say, or even better, preferred settings that just "clicked" with the game?

EDIT:

So FFB 10 in GT5, automatic assists to OFF (no assists in GT5)

Just tried:
SEN 900
FF 100
Sho 100
dri OFF
Abs 50
Lin 0
dEA 0
SPr -3
dPr 3
ACL off

This improved the feel greatly - not sure why it was suggested to run dPr to -3 - that didn't work for me. But spring to -3, dPr to 3, and FF to 100 I was able to get a good feel, and actually "push/hustle" the car like I can with the DFGT. My main issue I think was the stock SPr setting to 0 - it REALLY snaps on center, which in a race car, I could appreciate, but regular road cars, even fast ones, don't do that; I found myself trying to anticipate the snap, rather than focusing on driving which as I'm sure you know; the moment you become distracted even a little bit, your times will suffer.

I like the wheel, but don't love it. I think many of the reviews have just been overly glowing, perhaps its my queue to move into iRacing that has a very good FFB engine. Still can't get a good feel for the front end; I can certainly feel the difference with the pedals, and the wheel when holding a slide - but sliding sideways isn't faster; being planted is.

More testing to come - I tried the V12 Vanquish on SH @ Deep Forest and ran a 1:22.5 (completely bone stock car) - which seems competitive given the weight and tires. Also, every lap was faster than the previous, and I could tell there is more in the car - I would guess a 1:21 flat should be possible. Perhaps moving to stickier tires, or a car that I have tuned specific to me will help me to have better feel for the front end. Better, but not perfect yet.

Bottom line, changing to 900' and dropping the centering spring to -3 really seemed to help my overall ability to push, which now means I can start adjusting my driving towards the wheel. If anyone has any suggestions on getting more front end feel in GT5, I'm all ears.
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I tried your settings as suggested above and they really helped. Another thing that I found helped a little was to adjust my previous brake balance settings, particularly for FR cars to have heavier front braking to avoid the under steer.
I feel, as you stated above, that I trust the car more and push harder, so i think it's a big step in the right direction.
 
Yeah I ran last night, and I think that was it. Still more to come with the wheel, but thats on me at this point - was back to usual form; I think I'm faster overall, and there is still bound to be some points where I can improve my "habits" I've gained over the last 2 years with the DFGT. I'd still like a bit more feel in the front on turn-in, but that might be GT5. The "trust" is back though, which is always key.

One final point - having the bottom of the wheel squared off is retarded. If you get crazy outta shape, sometimes you need the wheel to spin, and you catch it - but with the square bottom, your hands have to go around a bend and is totally unnatural. Caught me out twice last night and crashed because of this.
 

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