My impressions of today's test drives....

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Yes, I'm still on the hunt for a track car, but today, I went to dealers for that potential car. I had to. While looking at BMWs, I suddenly became attracted to any good deal I saw, whether it be a 325i or a 740iL. I wasn't looking for a track car, I was looking for a BMW. And to help cure that want, I decided to look at something different.

So, I went to various dealers from my own Acura, to Subaru, Ford, & even Scion.

Scion tC RS 4.0:
Ok, the only reason I got attracted to this car was due to the dealer offering $139/month on lease deals on nearly any model. It seemed to good. Now, the RS 4.0, or Release Special 4.0, is a limited tC model of only 2,300 units. It has a few exclusive features such as Alcantara seating. Test driving this car, I discovered it has a good amount of pick up for such a car, and it's not hard to go above 50mph without knowing. However, go to 30Mph or lower, and it just feels bland. It goes where you want it to, almost without any feeling. I nearly have this car scratched off due to the lease payments at the end of the deal being around $18,000 paid for a $22,000 car. The salesman though, said to he has good news, and to call him back Monday. We'll see.

Ford Fusion w/ Sport Package:
I've always been curious about this package, because it's rarely seen here. So, stopping in, and going through what I was looking for, I got a test drive in the only one on the lot. The package includes black with red inset seats, and a little more umph in acceleration. A little. Being serious, this car has some serious get up and go for a sedan. It's in the turns though, that this car loses its sporty feel, and goes back to being a regular ol' sedan. Til' you hit the gas again. This car is def. within consideration, but I don't know why because it may be a lease. However, that's if the dealer doesn't play games. It was $3,000 down and $300 a month for 36 months. Now, it's $3,000 down for $302-$306/month and more crap. At most, I'll be seeing what other Ford dealers offer.

Acura TL & RSX:
The TL doesn't need a whole lot of words to be described. It's fast, drives great, and is a fantastic car. The payments though, are asking for 6 years at a potential rate of $450-$550 a month. I think the Type-S will do fine. I'm not missing much besides a softer ride.

The RSX though, is an amazing car. It's extremely agile through the turns here, and best yet, it was a standard. The clutch is nothing but simplicity to use, and it just sounds great to get on the accelerator. I really don't have a lot to say about it other than it drives very well. It only takes a few minutes to master the clutch, and when you do, it can put a smile on your face. We didn't talk payments with this car, but it's definitely going to be looked at again, or maybe even it's Type-S sibling.

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX Sedan:
This car, will go down as one of the most surprising cars in my life. I originally went to look at a regular sedan, but I couldn't stay away from the WRX models. The 5-door looks good, but I have fallen in love with the 4-door sporting a Premium PKG spoiler, fog lights, dual exhausts, & a 10-speaker system.

Now, I drove a rival Lancer GTS (as well as an Eclipse GT) last weekend, and they're fun cars, but the excitement is nothing like the Impreza and it's because of 1 simple thing. Standard transmission. An auto is available, but it's rare, and it kills the mood of this car so much. They only had one, and the fun of putting it into a sequential-like mode just can't touch the excitement of 5-speed power with 224 horses on tap. Sure, that's no TL Type-S power, but it's enough to make you have some serious fun. It also taught me 1 thing. With an automatic, I would normally feel like getting more horsepower from modifications. But with this car, I was brought to reality again, that when you have a standard, 224 horses is more than enough to have fun with.

This car, though, has a stiff clutch, and that may be due to it being brand new. Despite this, as soon as I pulled out onto the road, the sound of its boxer engine got my blood running. The engine sounds just freaking amazing, and shifting in this car is just nothing but pure adrenaline. I was grinning from ear-to-ear. The only problem I had was turning corners from a stop because it takes a while to get the clutch and the gas coordinated. At one point, I actually killed it, and had to start her up again. But this just made me even more happy for an unknown reason. The stiff clutch will build the legs muscles quick, but it's all worth it. The roads here allowed me to really get her going, even up to 80 off a freeway.

Of course, she's no STi, but that monster is simply out of the picture. She, like the Evo X, are just too damn expensive at this time, and too new to get any deals on. They sell way too well here. And while this would be a lease, I felt the deal was great. The avg. lease deal on a WRX (according to the KBB) is around $476/month. With $3,200 down for 41 months, I managed to talk them down to $339, which came down from $454 a month. I'm still considering this car, and maybe even the used 2005 STi on the lot in the oh, so gorgeous Blue Mica, but we'll see. Next Saturday, I'll be seeing how the VW GTI stands up against the Subaru, and possibly what Mazda has to offer.

But in seriousness, if you haven't driven the new Impreza WRX, do so. To me, it's just an amazing car, and I simply can not decide whether to get one in Obsidian Black or Blue Mica. But honestly, drive one when you can. Ignore the new look, and just drive one. The fun that can be had with this car can not be ignored so easily.
 
The Fusion with some good suspension upgrades could be an insanely good track car. Also keep in mind that there is an SEL V6 AWD that might surprise you in the handling department. And lets face it, no matter how ugly the new WRX is, its still a good track car in OEM clothing. I'd also test drive the Mazda3 hatch w/the 2.3L.
 
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The Fusion with some good suspension upgrades could be an insanely good track car. Also keep in mind that there is an SEL V6 AWD that might surprise you in the handling department. And lets face it, no matter how ugly the new WRX is, its still a good track car in OEM clothing. I'd also test drive the Mazda3 hatch w/the 2.3L.

The Fusion has an AWD, now? That, I did not know even though the Fusion I drove had SEL V6 on the back. I did know, though, that a sports suspension is part of the package, but it doesn't feel like it. It's not stiff like a sports suspension would be, and turning corners requires some lower speed. Perhaps it's even slower in the regular Fusion. I'll look into that, though.

As for the Mazda, that or the 6 is exactly what I'm looking at. I doubt a RX-8 can obtained for what I want, but if the Mazdaspeed trims are available in the 3, and still in the 6, I'll most certainly be driving those. And maybe...even a Miata.
 
The Fusion has an AWD, now? That, I did not know even though the Fusion I drove had SEL V6 on the back. I did know, though, that a sports suspension is part of the package, but it doesn't feel like it. It's not stiff like a sports suspension would be, and turning corners requires some lower speed. Perhaps it's even slower in the regular Fusion. I'll look into that, though.

As for the Mazda, that or the 6 is exactly what I'm looking at. I doubt a RX-8 can obtained for what I want, but if the Mazdaspeed trims are available in the 3, and still in the 6, I'll most certainly be driving those. And maybe...even a Miata.

The SEL AWD has been out since 2007. The AWD option is super rare and almost has to be special ordered. I've seen literally TWO in the flesh in my dealer's showroom. They sell quickly.
 
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The SEL AWD has been out since 2007. The AWD option is super rare and almost has to be special ordered. I've seen literally TWO in the flesh in my dealer's showroom. They sell quickly.
Then that would explain me not knowing about it. I'm more interested now, and I'll ask a Ford dealer next Saturday if they have an AWD model with the Sports PKG. Probably won't happen since the Sport PKG isn't very common, and the AWD option being apparently, very rare.
 
The RSX Type-S is the car that will be at the top of my list when I can afford a sports car in the next couple of year. Definetely one of my favorite cars out there in terms of performance, value and looks.
 
Wait you want a track car but you want to buy it new? Why not just buy something a couple years old and save yourself some money on it? Also if you plan on tracking it I would suggest not to lease it, you will get screwed in the end.
 
And maybe...even a Miata.

Miata's aren't best looking things in the world, but damn do they handle good. My friend had 2 and i drove the one that he had put all the money into. That thing handled so good, better than any car i have ever drove. My other friend had a 93 civic that had a good 3k in suspension on it and it drove like a family car compared to the miata. Also to be so underpowered you can get the rear end to step out pretty easy, but its complete control and it only steps out if you want it too. Im too big to be in one of them everyday or even on the weekends, im not huge but being 5'11 at 278 pounds with pretty wide shoulders....the fit just isn't too good. I would do it if i could find one cheap enough and stick a stock 5.0 liter Ford engine in it though:tup: They fit in the engine bay pretty good, to most peoples surprise.
 
I went to new cars because as I said, I was getting too far into looking at just any old BMW instead of considering what would be a good track car. I don't really care if it is a lease, I've already tracked the TL without too much worry, considering the guy I do business with in the service department keeps hush, hush on it. But as I said, I am looking at used cars as well to buy.
 
Mazda, generally, is a pretty good start point for something that is "cheap" and otherwise "capable" when it comes to sporting activities. The Mazda 6 will likely get shoved out of the door in the fall as we anticipate the new 6, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them going for less than the 3 on occasion. Last month, as I recall, they were offering the 6i for $199 a month with $2500 down for 36 months (36K miles).

The 6i Sport would be perfect, that is, if they still build 'em that way. As I recall it had the suspension from the V6 6s with all of the body pieces... Just the way I like it.

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If you can wait just a hair bit longer, may I suggest the 2009 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbo? Sure, it doesn't have the best interior you can get for $22-ish K, but you get a 260 BHP turbocharged I4, no-lift-shift, and the record holder for its class at the Nurburgring.
 
I looked at the tc last week and it seemed very nice but I didn't have the luxury to drive one. I thought it was a very nice car IMO.
 
I agree with YSSMAN. A Cobalt SS Turbo would be a great car. You can get them in sedan form as well. Or if you can't wait, there's always the HHR...
 
Mazda, generally, is a pretty good start point for something that is "cheap" and otherwise "capable" when it comes to sporting activities. The Mazda 6 will likely get shoved out of the door in the fall as we anticipate the new 6, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them going for less than the 3 on occasion. Last month, as I recall, they were offering the 6i for $199 a month with $2500 down for 36 months (36K miles).
That kind of deal is a lot better than the WRX, but I'll have to see what kind of car the Mazda 6 is.

Mazda 3s are also on my list, though. A fellow at the Concorso was tracking one, and he claims it gets the job done, but there are far better from-the-factory track cars than his.
The 6i Sport would be perfect, that is, if they still build 'em that way. As I recall it had the suspension from the V6 6s with all of the body pieces... Just the way I like it.
The 6i looks like a car I would be willing to buy used and turn into a bit of a racer. But, the only 6s I have any real knowledge for were the Mazdaspeed 6s.
If you can wait just a hair bit longer, may I suggest the 2009 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbo? Sure, it doesn't have the best interior you can get for $22-ish K, but you get a 260 BHP turbocharged I4, no-lift-shift, and the record holder for its class at the Nurburgring.
This car is going to come down to payments, and unfortunately, this favors in the dealer side. A Cobalt forum said you could expect a $380/month payment for 36 months. That's a bit more than what I can talk a salesman down to, and because it'll be a brand new car, I don't think they'll be willing to come down. I have read about it, though, and I'll agree to it being quite a performer.
I think a used WRX or STI sounds pretty good.
I know. The boxer engine. :drool:
 
Get the LSD. Unless it's not available with the turbo engine. If it's not, I wouldn't even consider the car. My cousin's 2006 is one of very few SSs around here that has the G85 performance package, with the dark wheels, Recaro seats (amazing) and the most important part, the limited slip. Like most FWD cars with an LSD, it pulls out of corners like nobody's business and it launches from a stop hard, fast, smoothly, and without a lick of wheel hop.

EDIT: I already know the Recaro seats aren't available on the turbo, and the salesmen didn't seem to know what the G85 pack even was, so I assume it's not available anymore. Hopefully the LSD differential is standard, because with 260lb-ft it really needs it.
 
I always thought Cobalt SS were/was supercharged? I'm guessing that the turbo is a new model or I'm just in a different world?
 
Buy a new Miata? 350z? G35/G37?
Miata = Possibly

350Z = Unlikely. Have to see the payments.

G35/G37 = Out of the question. I had looked at one, but the dealer didn't really help. The payments now, probably wouldn't be good.
I agree with YSSMAN. A Cobalt SS Turbo would be a great car. You can get them in sedan form as well. Or if you can't wait, there's always the HHR...
The problem is, they're still going to be incredibly new, and a dealer can easily say, "Well, if you can't afford it, we always other interested parties."
I always thought Cobalt SS were/was supercharged? I'm guessing that the turbo is a new model or I'm just in a different world?
They were. I think the turbo is just the replacement now.
 
The HHR SS would be the ultimate sleeper alternative then, only problem is that you have to deal with the breadbox shape, the awkward positioning of the window switches, and a lot of people giving you "S" when you go to the track. Not that its a bad thing, they designed the HHR SS to perform just as well as any other, my guess is fractions slower than its Cobalt sibling.

...Although, I haven't seen an HHR SS on the road yet...
 
For starters this seems to be one of the most bass-ackwards ideas I've ever heard of. Leasing a new car with the sole intentions of track racing?

But it doesn't stop there...

You went looking at FWD cars? And boring sedans?

What is the purpose of getting a NEW vehicle if your going to track race it? Are you that insecure about your image?

This thread is full of fail.


My suggestion: buy some old crap box with a proper drive-train layout. Throw on some good sticky tires (not "high performance" all seasons, real track tires) and, optional: upgrade suspensions components.

Anything involving a dealer lease, and track racing is downright stupid.
 
It's his money, he does what he wants.

Actually, anything involving your own money and track racing is downright stupid... but then, lots of us stupid guys here... :lol:

Then again... if this is something you're going to be spending money on and leasing... you'll be tracking it without mods? I'd rather buy a cheaper car outright so I can really mess around with it.

Say, something like a 2.3 Mazda3, or even a Honda Jazz 1.5. Or even, as backspace says, something old and raceable.
 
are you planning on breaking it in for 3-5000 miles, or even 2000? Or just going to the track and letting it wail? I know you'll find much more long-term power and reliability if you break it in right, I've seen the difference firsthand.

But seriously, get a used car, if you road race a car, in any way, it WILL get banged up. And it will cost more to fix. And have more crap in your way to fix it. And upset you more to see it thrashed should you really wreck.

And you should plan on wrecking, the best drivers in the world wreck, it would be foolish to assume you won't.
 
The HHR SS would be the ultimate sleeper alternative then, only problem is that you have to deal with the breadbox shape, the awkward positioning of the window switches, and a lot of people giving you "S" when you go to the track. Not that its a bad thing, they designed the HHR SS to perform just as well as any other, my guess is fractions slower than its Cobalt sibling.

...Although, I haven't seen an HHR SS on the road yet...
I've seen the HHR SS, and I highly doubt I'll be considering it.
For starters this seems to be one of the most bass-ackwards ideas I've ever heard of. Leasing a new car with the sole intentions of track racing?
Who the hell said I was solely considering a new car? Did you just skim through my first post? Probably, since I said I had already looked at a used RSX or TL, both which would be bought.

These are just look around, and see what's available.
But it doesn't stop there...

You went looking at FWD cars? And boring sedans?
That's your opinion, which doesn't mean anything to me. This is going to be my car, not your's.
What is the purpose of getting a NEW vehicle if your going to track race it?
Perhaps to also drive it around just for the hell of it? If I have a new car, I highly intend for it to be manual.
Are you that insecure about your image?
What does this have to do with anything? Or is it just a cheap insult?
This thread is full of fail.
Then GTFO.
My suggestion: buy some old crap box with a proper drive-train layout. Throw on some good sticky tires (not "high performance" all seasons, real track tires) and, optional: upgrade suspensions components.
At this point, I don't want or need your suggestion, esp. since that you're condoning that FWD are not proper-layouts.
Anything involving a dealer lease, and track racing is downright stupid.
That's generally, your opinion, which as I said before, I don't care about it.
I've tracked 1 of my leases now, my TL, and the shop department guy I deal directly with knows about it, and doesn't say a word.

So if this thread is "full of fail", even though I merely gave my impressions of a few cars were 1 could potentially be my next car to track, does not mean they will, or that it'll be a lease.
are you planning on breaking it in for 3-5000 miles, or even 2000? Or just going to the track and letting it wail? I know you'll find much more long-term power and reliability if you break it in right, I've seen the difference firsthand.
I plan on breaking it in to get used to it, and then taking a racing course with the car.
But seriously, get a used car, if you road race a car, in any way, it WILL get banged up. And it will cost more to fix. And have more crap in your way to fix it. And upset you more to see it thrashed should you really wreck.

And you should plan on wrecking, the best drivers in the world wreck, it would be foolish to assume you won't.
It's a risk I'll take depending on the car. However, I would not say, "will". As I said, I tracked my TL for the first time, and it did not get banged up, just had worn rubber.
 
Whats with the anti-FWD sentiments all of a sudden? Its like this forum goes back and fourth on it all the time...

It may not be my preferred way to deliver the power, but I'll be damned if it isn't effective when the car is set up correctly. Case in point: Anything Mazda from the past few years, Honda has a good track record, and surprisingly, anything GMPD has had their hands on with development. They do a damn-good job...
 
It's a risk I'll take depending on the car. However, I would not say, "will". As I said, I tracked my TL for the first time, and it did not get banged up, just had worn rubber.
"The first time" being the key phrase here.

Personally, I wouldn't take anything to track days that I couldn't afford to replace for cash.

Whats with the anti-FWD sentiments all of a sudden? Its like this forum goes back and fourth on it all the time...
There are decent FWD track cars - plenty of them. However, they are all very light. Heavy + FWD = no track fun.
 
Very, very true. So sad that we don't get the Clio 197/Cup here in the US. The test on Fifth Gear had me very excited indeed, makes you forget about the Mini altogether...
 
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