Maturin- I don't know what you are talking about. If you think you can man-handle a car better without ASM or TCS because you have "mad skillz" ... "go you" I guess. The fact is, there isn't a suspension setting that will completely eliminate understeer. There isn't a suspension setting that will slow down the inner wheels to reduce understeer. You can only do trial and error selecting settings that are between "makes me countersteer" and "throws me in the grass". It may be more impressive (to you at least) if you are manually shifting, peeling out everywhere, and counter steering, but any kid with their tranny set on auto, ASM on, and TCS on is going to be able to roar past you with an identical car with ease.