New challenge for all of you!

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Why is it that no-one makes "realistic hybrids"? I can't seem to find anyone that makes cars that actually could be built, in real life. I do it all the time, and it's really fun to drive these things.

For example I just finished building a TVR Tuscan Speed 500. This is an idea that I came up with some time ago. Basically it's a TVR Tuscan Speed Six with a 5 litre all aluminum V8, quadcam, 5 valves per cylinder. It's pretty good. All the specs, including downforce, are realistic. This thing goes like stink!

I've made lot's of cars like this. I made a GT40 Mk IV with a 427. I made a Vitz 1.6L Super 1600 rally car. I'm really surprised that no-one else does this kind of stuff. The cars are more challenging to drive because they are closer to the performance of the computer driven cars. Your not going to see a 2500 horsepower mini going 300mph, pass your Alto Works, while your doing the Lightweight K-Cup. It just doesn't happen in the game, and it doesn't happen in real life, either. I have nothing against making super hybrids. I for one have a 7400+ horsepower CL600, that weighs 459kgs, and goes over 400mph. I just think that the realistic ones are more fun. That's, of course, my own opinion, but I just want everyone to at least try out what I'm talking about.

What I'm asking everyone here do to is, think of a new car. Something that you have thought up yourself. It doesn't need to be super original, because there is very little to work with. But the one thing every car has to be, is realistic. Realistic downforce, realistic grip, suspension settings, engine, and above all, power! Spend some time doing this, and when your finally done, post up some settings, or copy and paste the INI, and possibly a magazine type article about the car. This way everyone can compare, what idea's they've had. When your done, I'm sure you'll find driving the car that you made, just as fun as a car with max downforce, and 5000 horsepower.



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TVR Speed 500

The sky has now turned an erie shade of black. The rain has stoped pounding down on the motorways of Tokyo, for now at least, but the streets have become canals full of water. On a day like this I’d be scared to get behind the wheel of a Toyota Vitz, never mind the new TVR Tuscan Speed 500 which awaits me.
A few quick facts about the Speed 500 are only adding to my apprehension: it boasts 500bhp and 235mph potential; it has no air-bags, no ABS, no traction control, no leather, and not even a sound system. Turning the ignition key provokes an amazing howl from the titanium exhaust, followed by five litres of V8 grunt – sounding just as powerful at idle, as an XKR does at 5000rpm.
Even on a dismal day, the Speed 500 is a quite hearteningly startling thing to behold, as loud visually as it is aurally. The styling is an evolution of the gorgeous Tuscan, only lower, longer and with an even sleeker profile. Added evil is provided by eight tiny arachnoidally-arranged lamps set in the front wings.
I think I’m doing well as five litres and 40 valves of TVR’s self-built all-aluminium vee-eight go into action; 4,000rpm rattles up on the readout before the engine’s race-car-like set-up makes itself felt.
Although the huge peak power of 500bhp isn’t served up until a foaming 7,500rpm, the back tyres have been spinning so hard from the 3k mark onwards that they’re set to fry. Green, amber then red shift-up lights glow on the dashboard and I grasp for second gear before exactly the same manic sequence happens all over again.
The Speed 500's tractability is almost none exsistant. The clean-shifting gearbox’s ratios makes the 500 an easier car to get along with than any purist TVR out there. 0-60mph in an insane 3.5 seconds is only a minor part of the story; as our performance figures taken at the Midfield circuit will show, the Tuscan is capable of whipping up to 100mph from a standstill long before a Camaro SS has even reached 60mph.
On the move, the suspension is just soft enough to eliminate most of the edginess over the flowing roads of Japan. With a carbon fiber honey comb chassis and a bodyshell of the same material helping it to weigh in at only 935kgs, the Speed is an amazing lightweight car. Match this to quick steering and the TVR’s agility becomes more obvious the harder the 500 is pushed.
The whole car has a very balanced, connected-together feel to it. The incredibly well-sorted chassis resists all front-end slip and grips hard. But one has to watch out for the throttle. You can be off the road, exiting out of a turn, before you can say "Traction". You’d need the safety of an airfeild to try anything more lurid, than just mingling about.
The simple way back to Tokyo is a quick motorway blat down the Route 5. After the noise and fireworks of my short lived adventure at Midfield, this proves to be a return to civility. Unlike the Tuscan speed six, there is no relaxing here. Even on the tamest of motorways, One has to watch the speedometer and keep the left hand ready for any quick downshifts with the sequential gear leaver. This serves as further evidence that, should you want to use your Speed 500 regularly and not merely as a weekend toy, there’s a bit of a work out in it for you. Never refined when you want it to be but not that much of a trouble to drive gently, this TVR Tuscan is also able to provide the sort of unforgettable excitement that you’d need to spend twice the asking price to find anywhere else.


Engine: TVR 5.0L, all aluminium V8, quad-cam w/ 5-valves per cylinder
Power: 499bhp@7500rpm
Weight: 935kgs (2062lbs.)
0-60mph: 3.5sec. (tested) :lol:
400m (1/4 mile): 11.400sec.@134mph (216kmh), (tested) :eek:
Top Speed: 237mph (382kmh), (tested) :eek:
 
...have a contest, best 'realistic' hybrid under a certain amount of hp and over a certain amount of weight.. and no using F1 tires, than find some judges who have sharkport of course, so they can use the cars and see which is best?
 
I like making hybrids realistic myself.
I have never made one over 1000bhp (most powerfull being 600+bhp)

I also made a Tuscan.
But I would call mine the Tuscan SC (supercharger)
It had an engine swap with the aston martin V8 vantage with 600 bhp on tap. Also the chassis was provided by they way of a Gillet vertigo :D

In GTConcept I have made one hybrid.

The Ford Focus Cosworth.
Got the Focus RS, dropped the cosworth engine in from the escort rally car. Gave it the focus rally cars drivechain chassis and suspension and some weight reduction. Totaled out at around 300bhp and i have a car that is able to smoke skylines and race quite competitvely with a RUF Rgt.
 
Epic, your idea's great! But, there's too many variables. Some cars, like the Z06, for example, wouldn't realisticly be able to go under a certain weight, but...let's say...the Elise, would be able to go way below the Vette's weight. Do you get what I'm trying to say. Some cars would be able to hit below 900kgs, and others wouldn't.
The same goes for power. Everyone would be doing minium weight, and maximum power, regardless of the vehicle. I would have to impose more complex rules than that. But thanx for the idea. It's got me thinking on a new race series!


Race Idiot, I feel soo much better now that I know at least ONE other person does the same stuff that I do!

PS - About your Ford Focus Cossie. Your not too far off. :) In this months Evo Magazine, Ford said that they are doing a big change to the Focus in 2004. :confused: The reason for this is that their original 4WD system doesn't fit and/or work properly with the current model. :rolleyes: The RS concept car, with all-wheel-drive, was very far removed from the current Focus, so they could fit the drivetrain. In 2004, they are going to cancel the current RS. Ford hinted at a high powered RS Cossie, with a Cosworth 2.0L Turbo engine, matched with a sophisticated 4WD system, and a close ratio 6-speed box. Evo said that Ford/Cosworth might just be looking at numbers anywhere between 250bhp to a mind boggling 320bhp. ;) When this comes out Mitsubishi, and Subaru will be blown out of the picture. :lol:
Also, everyone knows how solid Cosworth cross-flow four bangers are. So, when this comes out, look for huge power numbers coming from aftermarket tuners. In upwards of 600bhp. :eek:

PSS - Where it used to say 225mph top speed for my TVR, that was the speed in which I actually got too, in Machine Test. I went into the 'Like The Wind' race, and drafted the Viper. The computer almost always puts a Viper in there that can go over 245mph. I stuck behind this thing for as long as possible and the gears toped out at 237mph!! :eek: :D :p
 
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Just stumbled across this thread and am on the same wave-lenght as fish bate when it comes to enjoying realistic style hybrids. My cars tend not to be ones that i read about in magazines, or even trying to update certain cars to a higher spec model in real life production. My cars tend to focus on what i think would be an enjoyable ride without being over the top in my modifications.

For example, i usually run all of my realistic hybrids with the following -

* Sports tyres. I may change rim size to fill out the gaurds a bit, but always ensuring no tyre breakthrough on the bodywork.

* Stock Gearbox. I may change over to a different cars stock gearbox if i do an engine swap (ie - i might put a GTR engine into a Silvia, and then replace the Silvias gearbox with a GTR item). I may also replace 'non-turbo' cars gearboxes with 'turbo' varient versions (ie if i'm updating a NA tuned supra with some NA mods i might lash out and invest in a stronger turbo stock item).

* As far as shafts/clutches/flywheels etc.... I usually try and keep them from the original car. I usually upgrage to a twin clutch and sports flywheel though.

* Suspension - always tend to put on an original 'sports' suspension package for a road going realistic hybrid. On rare occasions i might put on another cars suspension in an effort to make the car look lower and better.

* Usually keep the weight stock. I might do a stage 1 or 2 weight reduction if i'm trying to make the car a bit of a street weapon. Nothing too extrmeme though.

Some of my favorite cars include -

RX8 powered Lotus Elise (lightweight, high revving, great looking, street drivable).

Trueno powered Cobra. (trying to replicate a clubman style of circuit/street car. Nothing like revving out in a well sorted 4 cylinder in a light weight car that can be drivin to weekend race events.)

and the list goes on ............. I've got heaps of 'rotary' engine conversions sitting in my hybrid garage

:D

Also enjoy doing some laps in some of GT3's original cars and saving the replay (ie doing some laps in a stock RuF, Mines, or Nismo car). I then try and create a car that i'd imagine myself wanting to own in real life. Loading up the ghost from my previous efforts i pit my created hybrid against the GT3 stock ghost. Its pretty satisfying to creat a car that you consider realistic, and then being able to match a GTR or other standard performance car. Nothing beats trying to catch the factory stock cars like the Mine's and RuF's though!
 
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