New Pioneer THX(S2) Receiver w/HDMI Switching for $500

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At CES, Pioneer unveiled their latest batch of consumer A/V receivers including the VSX 1017TXV-K:
  • 910 Watt Amp (130x7)
  • 7.1 Channel Processor
  • HDMI (x2) Video Switching
  • THX Select 2 Certified
  • Advanced MCACC Acoustic Calibration
  • XM & Sirus & iPod support with OSD
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They hope to have it released during the Summer, and sell for only $500!

If so, this could be a great value worth keeping an eye on.
 
Does it have pre-outs?!
I don't know if it will have pre-outs., but if I find any confirmation on this I'll be happy to post it here for you.


BTW: I forgot to mention that the audio processor is 7.1, but no word yet on whether it will decode Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD. I doubt that it will, as I assume Pioneer will want to market them as well as HDMI 1.3 as exclusive features to their 'Elite' line of products.

The amp is currently rated at 910 watts (130x7).



what about 1080p upscaling?
I seriously doubt it. It will pass the video signal on directly to the display. If the signal is 1080p, then it will pass that 1080p signal on to the display. If the signal is not 1080p, but the dislay is, then the display will scale it to 1080p.

Just out of curiosity though, what would be the purpose of having a receiver to do any video scaling?
 
Just out of curiosity though, what would be the purpose of having a receiver to do any video scaling?
Well, you only need one connection between the receiver and the tv, and you can plug every video source you might have into the receiver and get the best possible quality out of it. With several sources, the tv might run out of options.
 
Well, you only need one connection between the receiver and the tv, and you can plug every video source you might have into the receiver and get the best possible quality out of it. With several sources, the tv might run out of options.
I think we may be talking about two very different things. Converting and scaling. Converting is what happens when a switcher accepts more than one type of cable and converts them to output onto only one type of cable.

For instance, if like this Pioneer, you send it a signal over composite or S-video, it can convert them to output via component... but keep in mind, in no way is the resolution of the original signal being changed... nor should it really. That should always be left to either the original output device (cable box, satalite receiver, DVD player, console, etc), or perhaps more importantly, the display... depending on how the video processors compare.
 
Sorry Raitziger, I just now saw your EDIT:
Raitziger
VSX-80TXV with 2 hdmi in and one 1080p out for about 450 $(street).
This is the same case (2x HDMI inputs, 1 HDMI output - all support 1080p) as the 1017TXV-K.

The 80TXV has an MSRP of $150 more than their upcoming 1017TXV-K, and is an older model that is being phased out, which is also likly the reason for the great street prices. If this is going for $450 now, then the prices are going to be even lower in the coming months.
 
I think we may be talking about two very different things. Converting and scaling. Converting is what happens when a switcher accepts more than one type of cable and converts them to output onto only one type of cable.

For instance, if like this Pioneer, you send it a signal over composite or S-video, it can convert them to output via component... but keep in mind, in no way is the resolution of the original signal being changed... nor should it really. That should always be left to either the original output device (cable box, satalite receiver, DVD player, console, etc), or perhaps more importantly, the display... depending on how the video processors compare.
Who says that the scaler in the display is better than the scaler in the receiver? Therefor, why shouldn't I choose the best possible input (presumably hdmi) from the receiver to the tv, and then let the receiver manage and scale every source to the quality that fits the display best?

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the Interceptor
 
Who says that the scaler in the display is better than the scaler in the receiver?
I didn't specifically say it did... however, considering nearly all displays have scalers, and that most average large screen displays have a much larger budget for premium processing then a $500 receiver would I don't think it is unreasonable to predict which would have a better processor.

It is also a question of redundant costs, which is also why I don't think you'll even find many receivers that will do any scaling, leaving it to the display, and even the playback device to handle any necessary scaling.

That said, if a receiver really did have a superior video processor than the display and the equipment generating the original source signals, then of course it would be better to use it.



Therefor, why shouldn't I choose the best possible input (presumably hdmi) from the receiver to the tv
You can still do that without scaling.


This does bring up an interesting point though, and a possible problem with video switching, and that is properly calibrating the display for each source. While some displays will let you save multiple calibration settings for each input, many do not. This means if you use a video switcher to convert all signal sources to output over one cable, and you want the display to be properly calibrated for optimum video quality, the display will have to be re calibrated every time you switch between say, the DVD player, cable/satellite, console, PC, etc.

Fortunately, many manufacturers are addressing this issue with many newer quality displays by offering multiple memory settings for each input, and not simply one or two for each input which is more common. However, some displays don't even offer that, and only allow the user to save two or three different memory settings for ALL inputs. 👎

Video switchers can also add artifacts, especially when converting signals, which is why I've found that most high-end home theater systems are either running dedicated video cables to the display from each source, or using high-end external video switchers, some of which can cost several thousands of dollars.
 
I like the look of the 1017TXV-K. I have an older Pioneer that is similar with THX Certification, 7.1 (only via RCA input) and power. It cost £500 at the time (that's a good $900+ in todays exchange rate - at the time closer to $750). I think this is going on sale in the UK soon and I would like to get it as a replacement for my current model (I need the HDMI inputs for uncompressed LPCM from my PS3 and connection to my PC and PS3 when I get it). I think it'll be £500 again (or there abouts).
So this will give me uncompressed LPCM 7.1 from HDMI on this model? I was looking at a Sony with similar spec which may already be out in the UK. I'd rather stay with the Pioneer, but it's a close call between the two.
 
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