New Rules/ Changes

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Just recently new rules were made at the GT.de database regarding many tracks, and especially Le Mans. As of the new changes, any solid part of any track is now considered on track. I think these rules should be used in the WRS as it will make driving at Le Mans and other tracks 100% easier.
 
Why did they do this? Seems really odd...

I'll have to think about it, but in the end I guess we'll go along with it to keep uniformity in the OLR community, along with the fact that some of the drivers here like to submit thier WRS Arcade runs to the database at GT.de. (Like myself)

If anyone has any comments on this, post here before week 6 begins. Week 5 will stay the same for now, no point in changing anything midweek.
 
I like the new rules a lot. If its concrete, why not drive on it? The biggest reason I like it is that it will make sarthe races much, much easier on the racer.
 
SO this would mean that in last week's race those rubble strip areas and concrete patches under the bridges would have been all legal?

I guess it simplifies things a little.
 
I don't agree with this. Real Le Mans racers don't use them, why should we?
 
They are mostly there for security reasons, leaving a bit of braking zone before the peanut patches, forgiving a driver's mistake instead of leaving him waist high in crap. Nobody uses them, and a penalty can be issued if you do. I still remember Barrichello waving his finger at someone who passed him at the Montreal GP a few years ago, abusing the paved chicane sections. Like this ->
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That's how it works in the F1, so why allow them here? Even though I don't participate in the WRS, that's my opinion.
 
It makes sense for some tracks (Nürb, Midfield) but it doesn't seem logical for some others. I think that the main point is that replays have to look realistic.
Driving over the yellow stripes on the circle at New York sounds like cheating, but do you imagine a JGTC driving on all outside tarmac areas at Fuji 2005 ? Crazy.
 
flat-out
It makes sense for some tracks (Nürb, Midfield) but it doesn't seem logical for some others. I think that the main point is that replays have to look realistic.
Driving over the yellow stripes on the circle at New York sounds like cheating, but do you imagine a JGTC driving on all outside tarmac areas at Fuji 2005 ? Crazy.
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Perhaps it's been changed for the purpose of simplicity, less administration etc, because so many drivers can't be bothered to read the rules before submission.
 
I also think this rule change could lead to some issues. I think that CFM should be given the power to make specific rulings each week in the WRS, especially in situations like that of La Sarthe.
 
The rules are simply enough!

2 Wheels on the track, at all times!

Out-of-bounds at CFM's descretion!

He is the MOD, he set's the rules!

Let's face it, at most of the tracks, going off line loses you time, so LET THE STATUS QUO REIGN!

Neil
 
I have to say, I'm not in favour of the new rules. I agree with the arguments about it being unrealistic (imagine a driver in real life cutting the first corner at Deep Forest Reverse last week with two tires on the cobbles ... 👎). And it also makes for some pretty lame shortcuts (the big open concrete section after T2 @ DF-R, or the painted patches at Sarthe).

I like the stricter rules a lot. It forces you to drive properly, rather than just know how / where to abuse the track to your advantage.
 
Very interesting...I asked a question about this in the Fastest Lap forum this past week.

I agree that it is not realistic to use the red paved areas of the track, but at the same time, imagine how difficult it would be to weed out cheaters if we weren't allowed to go onto the red pavement. This rule is basically saying "Run as fast as you can, using any paved areas of the track that you want, but going into the grass, gravel, or riding the walls is still a disqualifying offense."
 
i must say i dont really care about the rule changes, it make things easier and simplier but it may not be logical in all situations, but they are the rules so thats how i will drive!
 
Small_Fryz
i must say i dont really care about the rule changes, it make things easier and simplier but it may not be logical in all situations, but they are the rules so thats how i will drive!
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I will follow whatever rule is posted with the race, but having other forums integrating a stupid rule is not a reason good enough to integrate this stupid rule too.
I call it stupid because it ruins most of Deep Forest circuit, the technical R/R/L before T1 at El Capitan, both chicanes at Le Mans, etc.
I still believe that most of what's behind the rumble strip is not part of the track and whether it is made of grass / tarmac / dirt / chocolate doesn't matter.
There can be some tolerance, like cutting the 90° turns at New York, because the race still looks realistic.
I don't think we can set a general rule saying "all tarmac areas are part of the track, wherever they are", as I also find difficult to set a rule saying "everything beyond the rumble strip is not part of the track".
Deciding race per race (that is, let CFM decide) seems the best compromise.
And if people want to race in the WRS and submit the same lap at gt.de, they'll have to follow the most restrictive rule to have a lap valid according to both forums.
 
I personally think the rules should be left the same. The extra tarmac is a 'safety margin' for late braking and screw-ups. It's not the original lay-out of the track. But like everyone is saying, it's CFM's decision. I'm sure he'll choose wisely.
 
I'm against the new rules because it would totally ruin the realisticness <sp? of the driving, i mean you never see that happen in real racing and if they do they're usually D/Q'd or given a penalty. The rumble strip rule is fine and as flat-out said cutting the 90 degree (how do you do the little 0?) corners should be alowed but it is pushing it a bit.

It was the track that was made for racing on not the run-offs.

That's my 2 cents

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A7X
...the 90 degree (how do you do the little 0?
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hey im all for'em cus say your runing a hella fast lap and your like 1.5sec in front of your ghost and you go just a bit to fast and you run off on to the mats all it did was make you run slower so if im still in front of my ghost im damn well not going to trash the run just cus i went slower in a turn than i shoud have thats BS. and here's what i think by no means is GT4 realistic so y shoud are races be???? i mean if you want to to be so realistic y dont you set a speed limt for the turns cus i know for a fact an FF can not take a turn at 75-80+ MPH you just flat out cant.

so i think the new set up is by far better cus it suits the game more.
 
prodbunta
hey im all for'em cus say your runing a hella fast lap and your like 1.5sec in front of your ghost and you go just a bit to fast and you run off on to the mats all it did was make you run slower so if im still in front of my ghost im damn well not going to trash the run just cus i went slower in a turn than i shoud have thats BS. and here's what i think by no means is GT4 realistic so y shoud are races be???? i mean if you want to to be so realistic y dont you set a speed limt for the turns cus i know for a fact an FF can not take a turn at 75-80+ MPH you just flat out cant.

so i think the new set up is by far better cus it suits the game more.
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lol dude, ur pathetic... u dont think a ff drive car can turn that fast?
watch some sportscar racing, you dont seem to know anything about racing :dunce:

are you using street tires for your new york run? mayb u should try racing tires...

and for the new rules, OBVIOUSLY YOU USE YOUR COMMON SENSE... for deep forest why the hell would any1 be able to cut the concrete area, and even for new york i dont like the idea of cutting straight over the curbs. But for cobblestone extensions after the rumbles, do you guys watch f1?~?~~?~?~?
tell me what the green sections are after the rumbles, todays spanish grand prix if any of you watched had so much use of the extra area of track because thats just how you find every little inch in it to improve your time... coblestone extentions are part of a track to me.... :indiff:
 
i've never seen an FF on a race track. and you know y!?!?! cus they SUCK!!!!. and o ya i know just as much or more about racing than you do i just dont watch the races. and it makes me sick that any real racer wood run an FF!!!

p.s. for some one who knows so much about racing, you really didnt know that was an example. i dont race useing the HUD i race by feeling out the cars limts wen driving so im sorry if i didnt have a speed just off the top of my head....dumb ass.
 
I like the system just the way it is. This is after all the driving simulator. If u go off track in license tests, you're out. period. That is the intent of the game. To teach driving skills as a simulation of the real world. Being new to WRS, I don't have the benefit of using past history as a guide, but I like the way CFM has ruled according to the track. His role is very much as a race steward would explain local rules in drivers meetings. Yes we have a hard and fast rule of keeping inside the rumbles, but from what I have seen, CFM is quick to make sensible adjustments for the sake of the racing. I say he continue to do so.

:cheers:
 
prodbunta
i've never seen an FF on a race track. and you know y!?!?! cus they SUCK!!!!. and o ya i know just as much or more about racing than you do i just dont watch the races. and it makes me sick that any real racer wood run an FF!!!

p.s. for some one who knows so much about racing, you really didnt know that was an example. i dont race useing the HUD i race by feeling out the cars limts wen driving so im sorry if i didnt have a speed just off the top of my head....dumb ass.
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wont even waste my time talking to you, you seriously dont know ****~ so just keep your mouth shut...

lol you think i race by looking at the hud? beat you any day anytime on any track LOL

its called driving with what your given, if you cant adapt to how you need to drive... then you aint a well rounded racer :crazy: dumbass
 
daan
I don't agree with this. Real Le Mans racers don't use them, why should we?
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I fully agree...these rules are crap, honestly. I've always thought there was way too much curb riding in OLR, this just makes it more so. A real race line uses the curbs in certian circuits but a real race line is rarely two wheels on the grass and two on the curb.
 
hOt6o4bOi
tell me what the green sections are after the rumbles, todays spanish grand prix if any of you watched had so much use of the extra area of track because thats just how you find every little inch in it to improve your time... coblestone extentions are part of a track to me.... :indiff:
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The green stuff is called "grasscrete" ... it's concrete with holes in it, and grass grows up through it. I agree that the drivers use it pretty aggressively, but I never saw anyone with four tires on it at the spanish GP. They seem to use it pretty much as our existing rules would allow: two wheels on track / rumble, two on grasscrete.

Our advantage in GT4 is impenetrable tires. If a driver hopped kerbs in real life as much as is allowed in the WRS, he/she'd never finish a lap without cutting a tire on the backside of a curb.
 
First off, hOt6o4bOi and prodbunta, please stop with the off topic arguing and name calling, as it doesn't benefit the discusion in any way.👎

Everyone else keep those opinions coming. Right now I'm leaning towards relaxing the rules as far as the cobblestones, making them part of the track, except when they are behind the red & white rumble strips. As far as Deep Forest, I'll never allow that paved section behind the rumbles to be used. No way. I'm really disappointed with GT.de about this whole thing, maybe they'll come to thier senses soon.:indiff:
 
Like i said before, what ever rules are posted are what i will race by. CFM has never failed to set fair rules so i have complete faith in whatever he chooses.

It makes no difference to me how realistic the rules are because as a driver competiting I will make full use of the rules, no point for instance not running over the lemans curbs for a gt.de run just because you think its not realistic. Others can and will, its just wasting your time. That does not mean the WRS has to follow, but im just saying as a driver competing for top times you make full use of the rules whether its stupid or not, if it gains time then you use it.

anyway bottom line, whatever the rules are is how i race.
 
ok this is really giveing me the ****s, Prodbunta rack off and dont come back.

Your the one who started it, talking about stuff you have no clue about.

prodbunta
cus i know for a fact an FF can not take a turn at 75-80+ MPH you just flat out cant.
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Lie!!!

prodbunta
and as for you being better than me LMAO!!!! you wish LMFAO!!!!!!!!....
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id love to see you try to beat hotboi and other Div1 guys.

also your typing sucks, how old are you?? you sound about 12.

All your posts are really offensive and its clear you dont know what your talking about, as most of your posts are unreadable anyway.

prodbunta
naw but really STFU noob you dont know who your dealing with.
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Do you know who your dealing with??
 
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