New Supercar In The Making!!!!

[RDF97]

Question: How familiar are you with the current establishment of the world of supercars? Speaking of which, how many supercar makers can you name? And is Keating on your list?

If so, great. If not, heres why.

They are currently making cars that are up there with the best of them. 0-60times ranging from 2-4 seconds(depending on model), power outputs ranging from 650-2000bhp(depending on model) and top speeds around the 250mph mark. And if that weren't mad enough, this certainly is.

They are currently working a new project. A new supercar called "The Bolt". Their new car has been announced to achieve an astonishing power top speed of 340mph. That's right. 340mph!!!!!! Not to mention a new supercharger that will help accomplish that top speed.According to Keating, this new supercharger will have the capability to switch on and off depending on how hard the engine is turning over.

Good things so far. And next year, Keating will be attempting to set the world top speed record with this new car.

This is what they want us to expect, but what do you expect?

 

[Famine]

 

[Beeblebrox237]

340 MPH? And you believed anything they said? This car will never happen. I'd put money on it.

 

[Giygas]

I heard about these guys a few years back, it appears that they've actually reached 260 mph with one of their older cars. With appr. 1800 HP. Sounds fishy...

I wish them the best of luck on their quest for 340 mph, because if they do manage that speed somehow then they're in like flynn.

 

[AudiMan2011]

340 MPH? And you believed anything they said? This car will never happen. I'd put money on it.

It did happen.

I doubt 340mph in a road car would even be possible gven the aerodynamic stresses at high speed, particularly on the tyres. The Veyron SS need to be pegged back to 258mph after it's record run at 268 to protect the tyres.

The aerodynamic drag at close to 300mph will be pretty insane and would require serious wind tunnel testing to ensure a super-slippery body.

Plus Keating doesn't have much financial backing unlike VW and the Veyron. If they can get the speed closer to the likes of the Veyron, Venom GT et al, then kudos to them, but 340 is way optimistic.

 

[G.T.Ace]

The pics look like CGI.

 

[AudiMan2011]

The pics look like CGI.

Maybe those were the wrong pics to use.

 

[Dan]

This thing has BS written all over it. 2,500 HP is impressive, but 340 MPH at 2,000 pounds... that thing is going to be rocking around everywhere. And the body looks like crap. It doesn't look as aerodynamic as a Veyron SS. If you wanted to hit 340, you need the car to have less drag than a Veyron SS. My questions for it: How the hell would you keep that on the ground? It doesn't look very planted. Also, how are you going to stop this thing? We haven't seen an air brake yet.

 

[AudiMan2011]

This thing has BS written all over it. 2,500 HP is impressive, but 340 MPH at 2,000 pounds... that thing is going to be rocking around everywhere. And the body looks like crap. It doesn't look as aerodynamic as a Veyron SS. If you wanted to hit 340, you need the car to have less drag than a Veyron SS. My questions for it: How the hell would you keep that on the ground? It doesn't look very planted. Also, how are you going to stop this thing? We haven't seen an air brake yet.

I've been questioning a lot of those things. I'm skeptical of any manufacturer's claims for absolute top speed for their hypercars until they can go and prove it.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Here are some wheel-powered cars that are capable of this kind of speed:

A 'conventional' type supercar has far too much frontal area to reach 300mph. The last car pictured above, the Buckeye Bullet, has gone over 300mph and has 'only' 400bhp. You can add all the power in the world, but you aren't going to reach 300mph with a conventionally shaped supercar. There is simply too much drag. The SSC Tuatara seems to be the only reasonably measured approach to building a streamlined hypercar, I'm anxious to see what it can do.

 

[Dan]

I've been questioning a lot of those things. I'm skeptical of any manufacturer's claims for absolute top speed for their hypercars until they can go and prove it.

Me too, although I will not doubt Koenigsegg or Hennessey (We've already seen what the Venom is capable of, 265 MPH in 2 miles) on their claims of being able to beat the Veyron.

Here are some wheel-powered cars that are capable of this kind of speed:

A 'conventional' type supercar has far too much frontal area to reach 300mph. The last car pictured above, the Buckeye Bullet, has gone over 300mph and has 'only' 400bhp. You can add all the power in the world, but you aren't going to reach 300mph with a conventionally shaped supercar. There is simply too much drag. The SSC Tuatara seems to be the only reasonably measured approach to building a streamlined hypercar, I'm anxious to see what it can do.

Well said. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't those land speed record cars have metal wheels with zero rubber? No street cars have metal wheels. They have tires. The only vehicle I know of that hits 300 MPH on tires is a top fuel dragster, but those tires wear out very fast.

 

[Exorcet]

Here are some wheel-powered cars that are capable of this kind of speed:

A 'conventional' type supercar has far too much frontal area to reach 300mph. The last car pictured above, the Buckeye Bullet, has gone over 300mph and has 'only' 400bhp. You can add all the power in the world, but you aren't going to reach 300mph with a conventionally shaped supercar. There is simply too much drag. The SSC Tuatara seems to be the only reasonably measured approach to building a streamlined hypercar, I'm anxious to see what it can do.

Frontal area is horribly misleading because having more of it doesn't mean more drag. Your average everyday supercar can hit 300 mph without doing anything drastic to the shape. It would take more power than those purpose built cars though. And there is more to consider than aerodynamics.

All of that said, the car pictured looks like a brick. So it will either need 5 engines or there is something I'm not seeing going on with the shape.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Frontal area is horribly misleading because having more of it doesn't mean more drag. Your average everyday supercar can hit 300 mph without doing anything drastic to the shape. It would take more power than those purpose built cars though. And there is more to consider than aerodynamics.

All of that said, the car pictured looks like a brick. So it will either need 5 engines or there is something I'm not seeing going on with the shape.

In fluid dynamics, the drag equation is a formula used to calculate the force of drag experienced by an object due to movement through a fully enclosing fluid. The formula is accurate only under certain conditions: the objects must have a blunt form factor and the fluid must have a large enough Reynolds number to produce turbulence behind the object. The equation is
F_D\, =\, \tfrac12\, \rho\, v^2\, C_D\, A
where
FD is the drag force, which is by definition the force component in the direction of the flow velocity,[1]
ρ is the mass density of the fluid, [2]
v is the velocity of the object relative to the fluid,
A is the reference area, and
CD is the drag coefficient – a dimensionless coefficient related to the object's geometry and taking into account both skin friction and form drag.

A (in this case frontal area is reference area, as the car is moving forwards) is an intrinsic and directly proportional part of the mathematical equation for drag, so I don't think it's fair to say it's unrelated. As above, I would say that in regards to top speed, aerodynamics is far more important than power or power to weight ratio.

 

[RocZX]

I highly doubt that they will ever make a 340mph street car.

AutoCar has some detailed pics of the cars it looks like crap .
The fit and finish is horrible.

Even the interior looks cheap s***

It looks like a kit car that some guy built in his garage, form the way the car looks and the quality of the work.

The company has built 3 other cars and they all look like horrible ugly kit cars. They look like a mesh up of a few different super cars.
HERE a link to their website

 

[AudiMan2011]

^ That's small British manufacturers for you.

 

[C-ZETA]

but what do you expect?

A letter from their previously supportive bank manager that begins "I am disappointed to note..."

 

[Exorcet]

A (in this case frontal area is reference area, as the car is moving forwards) is an intrinsic and directly proportional part of the mathematical equation for drag, so I don't think it's fair to say it's unrelated. As above, I would say that in regards to top speed, aerodynamics is far more important than power or power to weight ratio.

It's not unrelated. It's just misleading. Also multiply the drag equation by V again and you suddenly get power. Power is you over come drag and get to top speed, so stuff enough engine inside and you'll go as fast as you want.

The misleading part about A_ref is that if you change it, you also change CD. If you're just scaling things, CD won't change much (but it will still change). If you change the shape by varying angles or adding geometry, A_ref can go up while drag goes down.

The problem that I have with this car is too many vents and not enough pressure recovery at the rear. It does look like it has descent sized diffusers, but I can't really see the underbody (or the interior flow for that matter).

This thing has BS written all over it. 2,500 HP is impressive, but 340 MPH at 2,000 pounds... that thing is going to be rocking around everywhere.

Well making it light means you can use less downforce to get the same amount of traction and stability while further cutting down drag. Crosswinds can become more of an issue though.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Since you guys discussing the possibility of a top speed, is it possible for an AMS Alpha Omega GTR with 1800AWHP and 1700kg to reach 340mph with appropriate gearing in real life ?

 

[Starciller]

I do hope that they find a way to get that car up to 340 although it does seem to be impossible. And I agree the exterior I could live with but that interior....just no.

 

[Exorcet]

Since you guys discussing the possibility of a top speed, is it possible for an AMS Alpha Omega GTR with 1800AWHP and 1700kg to reach 340mph with appropriate gearing in real life ?

Just multiply the drag by velocity and you get the HP needed to stay at that speed. The weight doesn't really matter.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

Since you guys discussing the possibility of a top speed, is it possible for an AMS Alpha Omega GTR with 1800AWHP and 1700kg to reach 340mph with appropriate gearing in real life ?

I doubt it. It won't break 200 in stock form, and it has a huge frontal area. I don't think any street legal R35 could get to 340. I'm not even sure that a modified Veyron could do it. The stress put on the car would be immense. For a start, you'd need tyres that would probably cost tens of thousands of pounds for just one. The aero would have to be as good as something like the space shuttle, in terms of attention to detail. One little thing could screw up the car.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I doubt it. It won't break 200 in stock form, and it has a huge frontal area. I don't think any street legal R35 could get to 340. I'm not even sure that a modified Veyron could do it. The stress put on the car would be immense. For a start, you'd need tyres that would probably cost tens of thousands of pounds for just one. The aero would have to be as good as something like the space shuttle, in terms of attention to detail. One little thing could screw up the car.

I see, these are the data from official AMS site about the car - Alpha Omega performance :

Performance Specifications

Quarter Mile: 7.984 @ 186.14MPH *current R35 GTR record
Standing Mile: 233mph *gear limited/done at 1250whp
Standing Half Mile: 214.04mph *current GT-R record
60-130mph: 2.67 Seconds *current overall record
30-130mph: 3.63 Seconds *current overall record
100-150mph: 2.42 Seconds *current overall record
0-186mph(0-300KPH): 7.98 Seconds *current overall record
0-100mph: 3.03 Seconds
100-200mph: 7.45 Seconds
0-200mph: 11.87 Seconds

It can have 1800WHP - max boost tune, so 233mph with 1250whp, another 550whp would probably add a few mph ?

The car has no wing as far as I know

http://amsperformance.com/builds/ams-shop-vehicles/106-ams-alpha-omega-gtr

 

[Beeblebrox237]

But another 110 mph? Not happening. Remember, aerodynamic drag increases with in proportion to the square of the velocity. Adding 110 mph onto 230 mph is far, far more difficult than adding 110 mph to 120 mph.

 

[Famine]

It can have 1800WHP - max boost tune, so 233mph with 1250whp, another 550whp would probably add a few mph ?

Going from 1250hp to 1800hp is a 44% increase in power, corresponding to a 13% increase in speed. Assuming 233mph is aero limited, that power increase would allow it to go to 263mph.

If you want 340mph out of it, you'll need 3,900hp.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Mmmm, so probably with current body setup, only with longer gearing, it won't even touch 300mph More likely around 280mph ? I don't know how much gearing limitation it had ( rev limit reached ?) or did the engine struggle at 233mph top speed to non optimal top gear ratio, could it reach higher with 1250whp and optimized gearing ?... so many things unclear.

 

[Roger the Horse]

From Keating's website:

Keating Bolt Supercar

Keating Supercars have purposely designed The Bolt to outperform supercar competition and future versions are intended to be entered into GT and Le Mans racing.

Keating, the GTS class, where the Saleen S7 raced, ceased to exist a couple of years back, but judging by the specs you're claiming, I am assuming you intend to travel back in time 18 years and enter your car in GT and Le Mans racing then...

 

[Luminis]

Later this year, I will be releasing the Luminis BS Special. It'll have 5,000 HP and do 350 mp/h.

Seems as legit as their claim to do 240mp/h.

 

[Dan]

Later this year, I will be releasing the Luminis BS Special. It'll have 5,000 HP and do 350 mp/h.

I'll take 5! I don't even care how much it costs because I'm a gullible consumer and will believe anything the "stats" say.

 

[MoLiEG]

Later this year, I will be releasing the Luminis BS Special. It'll have 5,000 HP and do 350 mp/h.

Seems as legit as their claim to do 240mp/h.

you made my day!

This thread reminded me of the Dagger GT, another absurd "Veyron-killer-wannabe" powered by absurd engines, good wishess and... fairy powder...

 

[Robin]

90's Ford switchgear..... everywhere! facepalm

Remember Eterniti Motors?, the new British marque to change the world

www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=218975

Ended up being a Cayenne with a bad bodykit.