New tire regulations

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The FIA has stated that new tire regulations will come into effect from the italian GP. As far as i understand it, previously the tread width has just been measure pre race. Now the tread width will have top meet 270mm wide regulations pre and post race. Michelin apparently arent too happy, cos they have been taking a loose interpretation of the previous rule whilst bridgestone staick to the rule 100%.

doubt it will affect the dominance of michelin tho....
 
I'm not sure that it's really on for the FIA to suddenly change the method by which rules are enforced. The enforcement is at least as important as the rule itself, and this seems like a major shift.

I would think that Michelin teams will be doing a lot of tyre testing at Monza this week.
 
Originally posted by GilesGuthrie
I'm not sure that it's really on for the FIA to suddenly change the method by which rules are enforced. The enforcement is at least as important as the rule itself, and this seems like a major shift.

I would think that Michelin teams will be doing a lot of tyre testing at Monza this week.
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That said, i think it is fair. The michelin runners have not been changing their fronts on hot tracks, wearing them essentially to slicks, which is against the spirit of the law.
 
The FIA always said that they would investigate the loss of grooves if the cars were becoming appreciably faster as the tyres were wearing.

In the last two races, the fastest race lap has been set by Montoya, within 2 laps of exiting the pits after the final stop. This is when the car has four new tyres on it and 20-odd laps'worth of fuel. This is clearly the Michelin "first stint" characteristic.

I haven't been paying full attention to all the Michelin runners, just noting the person who's been setting fastest race lap throughout. It's maybe something that's worth looking into though.
 
I bet this decision came about after a ferrari protest the moners of the paddock. Its an absolute joke that in the midst of a title fight the decide to change some thing that could have a dramatic effect on the rest of the season. I have read that Michelin boss Pierre Dupasquier has said that the Michelin teams may not turn up to monza in protest.
 
Originally posted by James1985
I bet this decision came about after a ferrari protest the moners of the paddock. Its an absolute joke that in the midst of a title fight the decide to change some thing that could have a dramatic effect on the rest of the season. I have read that Michelin boss Pierre Dupasquier has said that the Michelin teams may not turn up to monza in protest.
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I doubt michelin wont pitch up - there is too much $$ at stake. I suppose the FIA (aka bernie) want to ensure tires dont decide the championship - in other words to boost TV ratings and revenue
 
I don't think there's anything to this. Michelin have produced written confirmation from the FIA that their tyres are legal, and the FIA haven't announced how they intend changing how they measure tread width - since there isn't actually a new regulation, just a hint of differing enforcement of an existing regulation.

I think the FIA has got a letter of complaint from Bridgestone and is covering its arse - I don't think there's anything in it. I see the issue has pretty well died in the press.
 
The FIA would be somewhat silly if they caused a ruckus over this - ruining the closest championship in three years would be something of an error.

I think that the issue will be whether the tyres return to the maximum 270mm width when the race is over and the cars have stopped moving. There appears to be some allegations that the tyres change shape, thus increasing the contact patch, while the car is in extremis of movement. So, will the tyres return to the correct width after the race? It's an interesting one.

It's something that spectators should watch for, especially at Monza. When the cars go over chicanes, the Michelin-shod cars recover from the disturbance much quicker than the Bridgestone cars. It's a case where you can actually see that they have more grip.

Watch for it on the super-slow-mo shots.
 
Well ferrari have admitted to tipping the FIA off over the tires. Michelin say they will race the "illegal" tires at monza cos they dont believe that the FIA will have the balls to disqualify 10 cars.

The season really didnt need this. :irked:
 
Obviously the FIA cant disqualify all the michelin teams, so maybe they will just dock manufacturers point?
 
So much for my big call about this dying. The issue only affects Williams, apparently (remember teams are allowed different tyres now).

Stupid thing is narrower front tyres are probably an advantage at Monza!
 
It will be interesting to see how this one pans out at the GP, I think.

At the moment, it's all political manouvering.

One thing that never ceases to amaze me is how simply awful Ferrari are at PR. It seems that they're unpopular when they're winning, and unpopular when they're losing. :shrug:
 
If Ferrari win the championship because of this i get the feeling the F1 viewer ratings will drop quite a considerable amount.
 
FIA shouldnt change a single rule until the end of the season. there are 3 races left and changing a regulation of such a state like tyres would throw this championship upside down
 
...and turn it into a farce

dont get me wrong, Im one of the most ardent Ferrari and Michael fans out there, but if this gets changed before the end of the season, the championship, in my view, will loose is lustre and become (almost) pointless
 
Right, first of all a rule has not been changed. The FIA has changed it's scrutineering process to include checks of the tyre before and after it has been used. This is not a rule change.

Secondly, according to Renault and Toyota the new design Michelins do in fact have a slight performance over their alledgedly illegal tyres.
 
Originally posted by kristof
Right, first of all a rule has not been changed. The FIA has changed it's scrutineering process to include checks of the tyre before and after it has been used. This is not a rule change.

Secondly, according to Renault and Toyota the new design Michelins do in fact have a slight performance over their alledgedly illegal tyres.
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Well michelin arent exactly gonna say their new tires wear easily and blister after 5 laps, will they :lol:
 
BTW can any tell me I'm not going crazy. The correct spelling is "tyre" isn't it and not "tire". Everyone seems to be writing it as "tire" and I was even wandering at one point whether it was me spelling it wrong.:irked:
 
Originally posted by wee_man
BTW can any tell me I'm not going crazy. The correct spelling is "tyre" isn't it and not "tire". Everyone seems to be writing it as "tire" and I was even wandering at one point whether it was me spelling it wrong.:irked:
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You are correct 👍 In Aus, UK and me in RSA spell it tyre. I have been spelling it 'tire' so i dont have a troop of people (americans and such who spell it 'tire') moaning that I dont spell it correctly.


It the whole cookie vs biscuits thing again...
 

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