New to the full setups!

[BlackProjectRX7]

Just purchased a 2nd hand "gamerscockpit WORKS" frame and seat...
but the decision is which wheel?? i own both ps3 and xbox 360 and play both GT5 and FM4 (weird i know, most people bash one or the other).. money isn't a problem, it can always be saved haha.. but does this mean the t500 is out of the question?
also advice on pedals and shifters is greatly appreciated =]
thanks

 

[Spagetti69]

Fanatec is your weapon of choice mate.
Works on all platforms. PC, PS3 and Xbox.

Money no issue.
Elite wheel, clubsports pedals or elite pedals ( your choice on that).

Standard shifter with a sequential shifter (seperate unit) is the only choice.

That should do you.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

Fanatec is your weapon of choice mate.
Works on all platforms. PC, PS3 and Xbox.

Money no issue.
Elite wheel, clubsports pedals or elite pedals ( your choice on that).

Standard shifter with a sequential shifter (seperate unit) is the only choice.

That should do you.

Agreed. CSR Elite wheel, Clubsport pedals, and pick up the standard shifter until the Clubsport shifter is released.

 

[lemansfanatic]

Agreed. CSR Elite wheel, Clubsport pedals, and pick up the standard shifter until the Clubsport shifter is released.

+1 to what they both said. Yup- elite is the best wheel you can get for xbox and works with everything pc, ps3. i love my elite pedals because i got the inversion kit that make them super easy to invert- which is waaaaay better for my style of driving... I am waiting on the clubsport shifter to come out, i almosf spent the $50 on the standard but thought, na i can wait and use the paddles until the clubsport is ready. wait for the clubsport shifter and you wont be dissappointed i can almost guarantee you my friend

 

[paskowitz]

At this point Fanatec is your only option if you want both 360 and PS3 compatibility. At least it makes things simple.

 

[Mayaman]

I'd add an interface one with a TH8. Works flawlessly on PC/360/PS3

 

[tribolik]

I would go for the CSR Elite with clubsports pedals (if money isnt an issue) and for the CSR with standard CSR pedals (if you are short on cash) and for shifter (again if money isnt a problem) >>>

I'd add an interface one with a TH8. Works flawlessly on PC/360/PS3

 

[mykem]

Yes, the T500RS is out of the question but so is the CSW which is going to be a better wheel (slightly or much better depending on how you'll use the CSW) than the CSR-E. And if money isn't an issue, then Frex Simwheel would fall out of the equation as well. However both the CSW and Frex (Type G) work with the PS3 and GT5.

 

[BlackProjectRX7]

+1 to what they both said. Yup- elite is the best wheel you can get for xbox and works with everything pc, ps3. i love my elite pedals because i got the inversion kit that make them super easy to invert- which is waaaaay better for my style of driving... I am waiting on the clubsport shifter to come out, i almosf spent the $50 on the standard but thought, na i can wait and use the paddles until the clubsport is ready. wait for the clubsport shifter and you wont be dissappointed i can almost guarantee you my friend

What is this inversion kit you speak of??? (sorry but your speaking to a newbie in steering wheels and that =])

what is everyones verdicts on G27 and logitech in general?

 

[myke6699]

what is everyones verdicts on G27 and logitech in general?

You do know that like the T500RS, the G25/27 is PC/PS3 compatible only. With that said, it's a good wheel (i was using G25 for over 3 years). But in term of performance: the power and feel of the FFB, the T500RS betters the G27 by order of magnitude. Being gear driven, the G27 has a slightly undamped, dry feel to how the FFB feel is transferred to the steering wheel and ultimately your hand/brain.

The pedals are decent. Again I find, although not as much as the difference in the FFB, the T500RS pedal to behave and feel more progressive (better modulation in braking.

The shifter on the G25 is POS especially if you opt for the H-hated. Logitech improved it slightly with the G27 (at the expense of the G25's sequential stick) but again it's nothing compared to TM's TH8RS. Of course unlike the TH8, it's free.

 

[VINCE__]

what is everyones verdicts on G27 and logitech in general?

Logitech has great customer support. So does Thrustmaster. Can't say about Fanatec. But after doing my research I found Fanatec CS was not that good.
Thats is why I went Logitech first then with Thrustmaster. Just my assumption, being a kiddy and all.

 

[BlackProjectRX7]

You do know that like the T500RS, the G25/27 is PC/PS3 compatible only. With that said, it's a good wheel (i was using G25 for over 3 years). But in term of performance: the power and feel of the FFB, the T500RS betters the G27 by order of magnitude. Being gear driven, the G27 has a slightly undamped, dry feel to how the FFB feel is transferred to the steering wheel and ultimately your hand/brain.

The pedals are decent. Again I find, although not as much as the difference in the FFB, the T500RS pedal to behave and feel more progressive (better modulation in braking.

The shifter on the G25 is POS especially if you opt for the H-hated. Logitech improved it slightly with the G27 (at the expense of the G25's sequential stick) but again it's nothing compared to TM's TH8RS. Of course unlike the TH8, it's free.

Now that i have realized this i guess its out of the question

 

[MuchoJimbo]

@Blackproject-I have a DFGT and think it is a really decent wheel. The pedals are do-do but for a $130 wheel, it is pretty darn good. Never tried the G25 or G27 but I can imagine them being that much better.

I have now upgraded to a Fanatec wheel due to multi-platforms, but honestly I would have stayed true to the DFGT if Microsoft and Logitech were friends!

 

[Nastradamus87]

what is everyones verdicts on G27 and logitech in general?

I own a G27 and a Fanatec GT3 wheel with clubsport pedals. The G27 pedals SUCK compared to the clubsport pedals (or the CSR elite pedals). On the other hand, I find the GT3 awful compared to the G27 wheel (when playing on PC at least because you can turn the wheel's center-spring and dampening off).

If you insist on racing on consoles and have cash to burn then the CSR elite and clubsport pedals are definitely your best bet.

I would also like to add that you should seriously consider trying a modern PC racing sim (in case you haven't already) such as iRacing before purchasing control devices. Generally speaking, iRacing (and rFactor 2) are significantly better racing games than either FM4 or GT5. This is important because you don't have to worry so much about compatibility issues when playing on PC. You can mix and match shifters, pedals, and wheels without worry. I bought a GT3 with my clubsport pedals to play GT5 right before trying iRacing, but once I tired iRacing I literally never turned GT5 on again so buying the GT3 was a complete waste of money. Also, if you play PC there are a lot of really awesome shifters you can get, such as the Frex shifters or the Derek Speare Designs shifters.

 

[tlsuth41]

CSR elite with club sport pedals. Love mine!!

 

[tomcat66]

What is this inversion kit you speak of??? (sorry but your speaking to a newbie in steering wheels and that =])

With the Inversion kit you can mount the pedals upside down. Each pedal is placed separately so you can leave the gas pedal in the normal position if you like to do that.

See here:

I did not buy the kit for my Fanatec pedal set because my rig (Speedmaster 2) will have problems mounting the kit. Probably not enough room.

 

[Ya Pops]

CSR-E all the way unless you forsee yourself getting pretty heavily into PC sims and can imagine building a rig that'll take advantage of the added flexibility that the forthcoming CSW will offer.
That, and/or the cool rims

 

[LogiForce]

If I had to throw in my 2 cents. Best is the CSR Elite but is expensive, the CSR is the only one with the ACL (auto clutch) but has a plastic wheel with an annoying seem as I've heard. That only leaves the GT2 which has a nice alcantara porsche wheel, but lower quality shifter paddles and no ACL.
So yeah it's all a matter of money and preference. Same goes for the pedals. I'd definitely go for the CSR Elite pedals or Clubsport Pedals though. The loadcell feels so much nicer. I also like the precision of the magnetic (HAL) sensors on the Clubsport pedals, which I find very much noticeable (yes, even in heated battle).
I just wish there was a bit of competition on the xbox market. The Madcatz and Microsoft wheels aren't even comparable to the Fanatec equipment in terms of performance. Reliability... can't say anything about that.

 

[blown540ci]

money isn't a problem,

Buy a PC and go iracing . Simple .

 

[zedfonsie]

Fanatec is your only option, but personally. I don't ever want to own a fanatec. Mainly because 70% of there products arrive with a defect. Usually a defect that makes the wheel unusable or changes it into a different state then what it was intended originally.

I own a g27 and its a good wheel for the money. Nowadays you can get a brand new g27 for 250$ with a 4 year warranty. That is amazing considering that these wheels only work for 7months- to 1-1.5 years.

But if you have no spending limit get yourself a fanatec elite..

 

[Caz]

70% huh.......

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

money isn't a problem,

Buy a PC and go iracing . Simple .

I second this. Also, pCARS is shaping up nicely and is at the top of my sim purchase list. Might be worth a look for you if you have the money to blow.

Fanatec is your only option, but personally. I don't ever want to own a fanatec. Mainly because 70% of there products arrive with a defect. Usually a defect that makes the wheel unusable or changes it into a different state then what it was intended originally.

I own a g27 and its a good wheel for the money. Nowadays you can get a brand new g27 for 250$ with a 4 year warranty. That is amazing considering that these wheels only work for 7months- to 1-1.5 years.

But if you have no spending limit get yourself a fanatec elite..

Have proof of this 70%? Hate to break it to you... but i doubt they have been around for over 15 years with a 70% failure rate. So, unless you have a source for this information, which would most likely only come from Fanatec themselves, quit making crap up.

Their customer service is also alot better than all these threads and angry consumers lead you to believe. You have to remember angry consumers are typically more vocal than the happy ones. I sent in an email to customer service for my CSR for some hardware problems. Within a week I had a brand new wheel delivered.

 

[LogiForce]

Don't know which wheel you own, Zoology. However I just want to say they (SMS) just added official support for the new (or soon to be marketed) CSR, CSR Elite and CSW wheels to Project CARS.

Also the Palmer Jaguar JP-LM of 2011 will be added next week, a Le Mans car. And the track it's used for is coming along nicely as well.

Also they just updated the tire model. Which means some cars in my opinion are a bit out of whack, but I am sure that'll be re-adjusted next week again.

There are also threads about adding good tactile support to the game and track IR support and so on.

The same guy who did the tire&suspension physics for RBR went away a while ago, but he probably will be back as well.

This game will rock the sim world I reckon. Just watching it grow is a joy for me ^_^

 

[tribolik]

Fanatec is your only option, but personally. I don't ever want to own a fanatec. Mainly because 70% of there products arrive with a defect. Usually a defect that makes the wheel unusable or changes it into a different state then what it was intended originally.

IMO Fanatec has a failure rate probably worst than Logitech but no worst than Thurstmaster (probably lower) from what I can gather on the internet... what is worst is their customer support service (wich is a shame really) and thats why you see all the threats about the Fanatec product failures, because if they sorted it out with their customer support you wouldnt read about their failures all that much... (and thats why I think their failure rate might be lower than Thurstmaster that seems to have a fair costumer support service but still alot of threads about wheel failures)

Also they just updated the tire model. Which means some cars in my opinion are a bit out of whack, but I am sure that'll be re-adjusted next week again.

Sorry for the OT but what do you mean by a little out of whack? too much/little grip?

 

[LogiForce]

Grip, or excessive understeer on the Ariel Atom but once in a slide it´s almost impossible to hold or recover with that car. Formula A seems a bit overdone in terms of grip. A few cars are nervous on the straight because they want to reproduce the bumps in the road impacting the rubber via force feedback too much. Things like that. It´s all work in progress though. So sometimes you have to take a step backwards to go two big steps forward. The new tire model however is a better model, that is already visible in the behavior of the cars.
Also from today on you have to watch out not bottoming your car out too much in certain places (au rouge on Spa for example) as you will definitely loose control. So ride height can cause unexpected results in some turns, which also needs to be tweaked for all cars from today.

Plus some graphics stuff got added I noticed. Like track and engine heat turbulance from the car, and light reflections on the gauges in the dash.

 

[tribolik]

Grip, or excessive understeer on the Ariel Atom but once in a slide it´s almost impossible to hold or recover with that car. Formula A seems a bit overdone in terms of grip. A few cars are nervous on the straight because they want to reproduce the bumps in the road impacting the rubber via force feedback too much. Things like that. It´s all work in progress though. So sometimes you have to take a step backwards to go two big steps forward. The new tire model however is a better model, that is already visible in the behavior of the cars.
Also from today on you have to watch out not bottoming your car out too much in certain places (au rouge on Spa for example) as you will definitely loose control. So ride height can cause unexpected results in some turns, which also needs to be tweaked for all cars from today.

Plus some graphics stuff got added I noticed. Like track and engine heat turbulance from the car, and light reflections on the gauges in the dash.

I thought so, because from the lattest videos Ive seen the cars dont seem to slide all that much (like in Shift 2) and actually looks like realistic physics and handling but as I havent seen videos on the latest patch/release.

So thanks for clearing it up Im really watching this title and I really hope they can find someone that can code it properly for the PS3

Now on-topic and to the OP. You should really get a Fanatec because if you get tired of FM4 or GT5, another reason to keep and play mostly on your Xbox is the fact that most multiplatform racing games look and perform better on the Xbox (Shift 2, F1 2011, etc) plus the Xbox has more exclusive racing games (Gotham project, Race pro, etc).

 

[BlackProjectRX7]

To everyone.. my lovely gf is purchasing a Logitech G27 for me which i will be more then happy to use for the time being.. is there any modifications i should look out for? to make it that little better... and obviously everyone has a different opinion and feel to anything

@Blackproject-I have a DFGT and think it is a really decent wheel. The pedals are do-do but for a $130 wheel, it is pretty darn good. Never tried the G25 or G27 but I can imagine them being that much better.

I have now upgraded to a Fanatec wheel due to multi-platforms, but honestly I would have stayed true to the DFGT if Microsoft and Logitech were friends!

Thanks Jimbo probably the most unbiased reply i have had .. as you will see before this post i am getting the g27.. the only thing i didn't like about the DFGT is no clutch I'm a manual driving and its just who i am haha clutch and H-pattern I'm sure i will find over time to get faster i may have to use paddles but hey its all fun and games

 

[BlackProjectRX7]

hey everyone here is my current setup just need to tidy up the wires and make it look pretty