Nissan, General Motors top performers in quality survey

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It doesn't matter. American cars are still overweight, overengined pieces of crap that need 7 litres to make 200 horsepower, can't handle turns, and use all the gasoline in the world.









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Duke
It doesn't matter. American cars are still overweight, overengined pieces of crap that need 7 litres to make 200 horsepower, can't handle turns, and use all the gasoline in the world.









Or something.
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Hey now, it's actually only 4 liters (reference to the new v6 Mustang)...
 
As much as I hate to admit it, but cars like the Pontiac G6 are a lot better than lots of people make them out to be. Good for GM for starting to reverse their trend of making crappy cars (They still do make quite a few steaming piles of crud though).
 
I just thought some of you guys would get a kick outta it since some of you tell me that GM is crappy. I'm telling you they are rebounding.
 
My family has always bought GM's and hondas. Through the years we've had just about the same number of problems between the two.

Good for GM!
 
From a completely unbiased, objective stance I must say that Nissan rules.

I was asked a few days ago by one of my co-workers when I'll get a Nissan/Infiniti.

"When they stop sucking" was my response.

Company pride. 👍
 
It's obvious people that aren't natively from the USA generally dislike American cars for bull**** reasons. Yes there is crap--but the other major world markets have crap too so let's not forget that. Last time I checked the "ancient" Corvette C6 with it's stone age leaf springs is still fast as hell around a track...don't believe me? http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps/

And I really hope that's sarcasm Duke because it would frankly disgust me if you were serious. It's not all about horsepower but the delivery of the power and torque. And as I've said in other posts...people buy cars for different reasons in America as they do in Europe and Japan. I've owned 11 cars and driven all makes and models over the years on a consistant basis via work vehicles and etc. I've owned crap American cars and crap Japanese cars--so let's not just assume every American car sucks. And let's not forget the sexy exhaust note of an American V8--the only Japanese non-V8 with a sexy exhaust note is the WRX STi in my opinion. In contrast the EVO VIII's exhaust sounds like ass to me.

Now having played devil's advocate--I prefer Nissan over any other car in the world. Toyotas are really good too--hell I drive one now since my SE-R met an involuntary unfortunate end. = (
 
Well, it's a survey... you know, that is not really saying something... Toyota have highest quality as far as I know... That doesn't mean that Nissan and GM don't produce high quality cars... I just think that a survey says less than statistic figures ...
 
M5Power
From a completely unbiased, objective stance I must say that Nissan rules.
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I concur, but I do not believe I am hearing a completely unbiased opinion. From all I remember M5, you would make a good selection for Counterpoint on CNBC or MSNBC or whatever channel it is on; but I don't believe we have ever had a convesation without a biased opinion on either parts. . .
 
Takumi Fujiwara
Hey M5, I'm sure it's been asked a million times, but what exactly do you do at Nissan?
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Hell if I know. Analyze market trends in America's Dairyland. I keep telling them: they want pickups! Then they build the 350Z. Christ.
 
The 350Z is certainly working here in Toronto. I see them everyday now; very good for a low volume sports car.

But in order for Nissan, or Toyota for that matter to make a breakthrough in the American heartland's pickup market, they're going to have to build very, very good trucks (which Toyota already does; Nissan is headed that way too with the Titan), and more importantly, they're going to have to get a massive marketing campaign targeting said area. I'm sure lots of you have noticed if you drive through a rural town a couple of hours away from a major city that imports are virtually non-existant, everyone drives domestic brands. Combine with that the fact that the F-150 has been the best selling vehicle in North America for the last 10,000 years, and you've got one helluva marketing challenge ahead of you.
 
Ev0
The 350Z is certainly working here in Toronto. I see them everyday now; very good for a low volume sports car.

But in order for Nissan, or Toyota for that matter to make a breakthrough in the American heartland's pickup market, they're going to have to build very, very good trucks (which Toyota already does; Nissan is headed that way too with the Titan), and more importantly, they're going to have to get a massive marketing campaign targeting said area. I'm sure lots of you have noticed if you drive through a rural town a couple of hours away from a major city that imports are virtually non-existant, everyone drives domestic brands. Combine with that the fact that the F-150 has been the best selling vehicle in North America for the last 10,000 years, and you've got one helluva marketing challenge ahead of you.
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I think many people in the rural area it is a kind of duty to buy American cars, so if you want to sell foreign trucks they have to be a lot cheaper I would say....
 
No, I think the main problem with foreign vehicles in rural areas is that they are in fact foreign.

A few weeks ago I went in a Volvo to the small town of Agate, Colorado in rural eastern Colorado to stargaze. Here's a place with no restaurant or supermarket, one school, one post office, no fire or police station, and about 100 residents. I drove through the entire town, down all five streets, in ten minutes. There were two foreign cars (old Subaru hatch and Lexus ES250) both parked at the same house. The remaining 20-30 cars were domestic.

Nothing can convince these damn hicks to buy Japanese. After all, 65 years ago, the "Japanese" bombed America. For the record, some people have gotten over that. I've seen two Pearl Harbor Survivor plates on Subarus.
 
M5Power
Nothing can convince these damn hicks to buy Japanese.
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Just like nothing can convince these damn Eurosnobs to buy American.
 
Because Japanese cars are designed more with American buyers in mind then American cars are designed with European buyers in mind?
 
Duke
Just like nothing can convince these damn Eurosnobs to buy American.
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Most American cars built to cater to North American desires and North American roads. Many successful cars in the US would be horrid to drive around Europe. Case in point, Ford F-150; it's way too big for many European roads. And forget about trying to drive one in an older European city. Yet, it's an exceedingly popular vehicle in the US and Canada.

But with that being said, GM is trying to gain a chunk of the European market. They are starting the Chevrolet brand up again in the UK (although since they will be selling rebadged Daewoos, I'm skeptical of success), Cadillac is also making a return to Europe (the CTS and STS were designed to take on the European saloons, and provide a very interesting alternative), and there are Corvette dealers being set up around Europe to offer a cheaper 911 alternative. But, we'll have to wait and see if European consumers will buy American.
 
Duke
Just like nothing can convince these damn Eurosnobs to buy American.
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Actually yes, the parallel is the same though I think it's deeper with hicks.

Ev0
Most American cars built to cater to North American desires and North American roads. Many successful cars in the US would be horrid to drive around Europe.
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I think - and maybe I'm wrong - but I think that Duke is referring to Americans who refuse to buy anything but European cars and who refuse to even consider a brand like Cadillac, which is just as good as many European car companies. I could be understanding him wrong.
 
Well I think everybody should buy the car he wants : You always have your reasons, if it a patriotic motivation or the money factor, the desire for design, quality, high tech or ultimate sports cars... I can understand a American farmer who buys a big American truck, well and for him it is maybe more important to know that Americans built the car than Audi-like quality or a Honda-like race engine....
 
Except lots of times Americans didn't build the car. In fact, of the five large pickup trucks (Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra, Dodge Ram, Ford F-150, Nissan Titan, Toyota Tundra), only two are 100% made in the United States: the Titan and the Tundra.
 
Although I still consider it all the same since you have NAFTA and what not. But I thnk you would solve a lot of economic problems in this country if car companies stayed in America.
 
M5Power
Except lots of times Americans didn't build the car. In fact, of the five large pickup trucks (Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra, Dodge Ram, Ford F-150, Nissan Titan, Toyota Tundra), only two are 100% made in the United States: the Titan and the Tundra.
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And yet the hicks still won't buy a Nissan or Toyota truck. The irony is just beautiful here. Interesting fact M5, I never knew this! 👍
 
Duke
Just like nothing can convince these damn Eurosnobs to buy American.
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It still is very hard to get an American car in Europe. American companys haven't been really interested in foreign market as much as Japanese car makers.

It's easy to understand why, Japan is a very small country/market compared to U.S. the only way for them to be successfull is to export to the entire world.

You'll know also that Japanese have been building different cars for the U.S than those sold in Japan for a few years now, and they started to do the same thing in Europe 4 or 5 five years ago. Only now Americans have started to do that.

There are few American dealers here, and in Europe, cars pay their taxes according to engine displacement! Wich is something that many American cars have a lot. Also, fuel is way more expensive in Europe.

Impossibility to get some of the great American cars + Import taxes + Displacement taxes + Fuel cost + Waiting time for the car + a European car that can fit just as well to your European needs will pull off many buyers.

So, most of the times it's not a question of Eurosnobying, (Since there are A LOT of Japanese and Corean cars in Europe) just to much trouble for a "mundane" task of buying a car.
 
BlazinXtreme
Although I still consider it all the same since you have NAFTA and what not. But I thnk you would solve a lot of economic problems in this country if car companies stayed in America.
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I don't. Because of the ****ing unions (actually it's because of quality of life, but I like to blame the unions), Americans demand absurdly high wages compared to Mexicans; if the companies stayed in America it would just send them out of business having to pay those wages.

Then again, the quality issues of Mexican plants plague every single company involved...
 
M5Power
I don't. Because of the ****ing unions (actually it's because of quality of life, but I like to blame the unions), Americans demand absurdly high wages compared to Mexicans; if the companies stayed in America it would just send them out of business having to pay those wages.

Then again, the quality issues of Mexican plants plague every single company involved...
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I know exactly what you are saying, I have to work with UAW guys at GM and it's has to be one of the biggest challenges of my job. I can't touch anything without them going ape s*** on me. It's pretty bad.
 
Ah, the unions. In the stone age, the unions served their purpose of protecting workers. Today, they are a blight on any society that is forced to tolerate their presence.
 

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