NSX LM and R390 GT1 Road cars in a roadcar only room.

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Should these cars be allowed in roadcar restricted rooms?

  • Yes

    Votes: 68 58.1%

  • No

    Votes: 49 41.9%
  • Total voters
    117
leepangfu

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I normally run road car rooms online but I don't know what to do with these cars. There seems to be at least one person every race who uses one of these cars. Are they real road cars or is the only thing roadcar about them their name? Should I allow them or not?
 
They are indeed road cars... but actually, when I think about it, I think the NSX is a prototype. But the R390 is definitely a road car.

In my opinion, I'd allow the NSX (If road car) but not the R390 as that car is quite the beast.
 
If it's road legal then yes if not then no.
Now you say road car you can have a small economy car to a "road legal" race car.
 
They should, though whether the nsx is truly road legal is debatable. It is a prototype after all.

Should the nismo R33 lm fit into this category?
 
You can restrict MR layout in your room.

But then you piss off people like me trying to use an mr2 spyder

If theres some kind of petition i will sign it. The LM road car absolutely destroys every other car at 550 pp
 
For me there are two ways of looking at this, either black an white yes or no, or more in a more subjective manner.

I personally choose to look at the subjective side, possibly like how a racing sanctioning body would. My conclusion is some cars may be street legal, but if they are just going to cream the competition then they arent allowed. Fair racing is much more important to me than bringing a "gun to a knife fight".

A good rule of thumb might be to see if these cars are considered stock by setting the regulation to umodified simply to check. some tuner cars dont fit into these regulation due to semi racing parts or Aero that cant be removed.

Consider this exageration of the scenerio; A Race cars only room with 15 regular race cars and one X2010. Ok we should all know the outcome, people will be pissed off at the guy in the X2010. But he may respond "its a race car".
 
Early on I once tried racing the NSX LM in a road car room and was told to switch cars. I had no problem with that.

Most people in the know know that these cars have an advantage against other road cars with similar pp. The idea is to promote fairness. The only thing road car about these cars is the "road car" in their name.
 
The R390 yes, the NSX, no. The R390 isn't really better than other supercars, looks like one and handles like one. The NSX is a prototype, don't even know if it exists in real life and I doubt it would be street legal.
 
The NSX LM is a bit iffy, because it never actually existed as far as I know (though by itself that shouldn't make a difference considering the makeup of GT5's car list).






However, it is kind of hard to come up with real justification to exclude the R390 or its partner in crime the R33 GT-R LM because they are both, point of fact, road cars (the latter especially). You could argue spirit of the rules, perhaps, but I've honestly never seen an R390 be used in a room where it outright dominated; and most of the times I've seen the NSX-LM used it is in rooms with PP levels high enough that it gets its ass handed to it by R35 GT-Rs anyway.
 
I don't allow either as the NSX LM is a dressed down race car and the R390 has never been sold to anyone (only 2 ever built). I don't allow tuner car's (Amuse, Mines, Opera etc.) either though so
 
But the Nissan is road legal, could drive on normal roads in real life and like you said, was built in real life.
 
Toronado
The NSX LM is a bit iffy, because it never actually existed as far as I know.

However, it is kind of hard to come up with real justification to exclude the R390 or its partner in crime the R33 GT-R LM because they are both, point of fact, road cars. You could argue spirit of the rules, perhaps, but I've honestly never seen an R390 be used in a room where it dominated; and most of the times I've seen the NSX-LM used it is in rooms with PP levels high enough that it gets its ass handed to it by R35 GT-Rs anyway.
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People tend to not use the high downforce road cars in most street rooms out of courtesy. There's no reason the r390, or even the f1 should be excluded, yet people dont usually use them because they do posses a speed advantage. In fact both the r390 and lm are faster than most of the tuner cars at most pp.
 
G.T.Ace
But the Nissan is road legal, could drive on normal roads in real life and like you said, was built in real life.
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That is not the question at hand sir, the question is should he allow them, not whether they are street cars. He's asking about the fairness of it.
 
G.T.Ace
I wasn't talking to the OP. ;)
If you don't want supercars, lower the PP by the way.
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Oops, sorry.

To the point of lowering the PP, eventually some shameless fellow will simply detune their supercar to fit in. I believe the best way to combat this is to simply tell those people they cant bring those kind of cars (if you feel that way) or they'll be kicked.
 
savage388
People tend to not use the high downforce road cars in most street rooms out of courtesy. There's no reason the r390, or even the f1 should be excluded, yet people dont usually use them because they do posses a speed advantage. In fact both the r390 and lm are faster than most of the tuner cars at most pp.
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I've seen them used frequently. I personally use the Cien in really high PP races as my car of choice mostly because I like how it sounds.



Unless I'm just sheltered or something, I simply haven't seen what the OP is worried about in my experience, with them walking everything else in the rooms that they show up in (the R390 in particular tends to be a mid-pack runner for the most part); and most of the people who choose them just because they think they are being "clever" in getting around the room restrictions tend to be terrible with them anyways.
 
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If the room says "road cars", then yes. If you don't want them in your room, then name the room "only cars that host likes" or something. Even the cars names say "road car". PP system counts the aero, so they run less power than the other cars in the race.
 
Toronado
I've seen them used frequently. I personally use the Cien in really high PP races as my car of choice mostly because I like how it sounds.

Unless I'm just sheltered or something, I simply haven't seen what the OP is worried about in my experience, with them walking everything else in the rooms that they show up in (the R390 in particular tends to be a mid-pack runner for the most part); and most of the people who choose them just because they think they are being "clever" in getting around the room restrictions tend to be terrible with them anyways.
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Usually the better drivers/tuners stay away from them anyway. Ive never had this happen myself, as I may have seen one or two r390's and they've run right around mid pack and probably would've finished in the back if they were driving other cars.
 
The NSX LM is definitely not a road car. On the other hand had it been a NSX-GT, the limited production NSX with the rear scoop is definitely a road car.
 
Personally, I consider a road car to not have adjustable front downforce, that's how I choose to differentiate.
 
They are road cars (like Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo). Luckily they are mostly riven by unskiled drivers so they don't pose that big a threath. To those doubting the advantage these cars have: take a look at the time trials. R390 dominates in them though using pp limits might set it back more online...
 
G.T.Ace
The R390 yes, the NSX, no. The R390 isn't really better than other supercars, looks like one and handles like one. The NSX is a prototype, don't even know if it exists in real life and I doubt it would be street legal.
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I seen a real NSX LM before it was badged as a NSX GTR though same bodykit same looks it also had a Mugen badge on the sides aswell. ill find a pic.
 
Sohvakettu
They are road cars (like Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo).
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No idea where you gathered that from - it is a tuner car all the way and will compete with more race cars than should really be possible.

And I do think the NSX-R and R390 are both allowed - the game classes them in road forms, so despite the advantage they might get from downforce it isn't really illegal not to call them road-style. Besides which I know the R390 GT1 has zero torque at higher speeds and neither exactly has great top speed stock (for their classes when stock).
 
When is about to serious race on my lobby(road cars only) at spa, I always use the NSX LM Road Car. And I almost win every race with it. The last corner before chicane, you can take it to 270+km/h where no GTR no enzo no mclaren mp12 can do it at that speed. It's my favorite road car. It should had 100 more hp, and it would be a blast on the straights
 
I would and do allow them, there are a few other road cars that can and do beat them IE Mclaren F1 Tommykaria ZZ11 even a well tuned GT R Vspec 09 can run them well.
 
Yes in both cases. It says road car, those are road cars.

The RMs are the real iffy ones, they still have horns, high/low beam lights, and often very street-ish interiors (at least the Cappucino). The Camaro and Challenger could still be road legal in every US state except Utah, since they're too old to require emissions inspections. Some of the TC interiors look pretty stock except for the steering wheel and some extra gauges, so that would be a difficult call as well. Tires are the real issue there, but don't RMs come with Sports Soft instead of Racing Soft anyway?

Aero is the real issue, so again the '67 Camaro and '67 Challenger could be exceptions to the rule.
 

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