Nurburgring lap record attempt today

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

For anyone with a little spare time on their hands and willing to keep an eye on the Nurburgring Webcam, you might like to watch Ultima’s attempt on the outright road-car lap record. They are busy preparing the car in the paddock just now, so sometime later this morning there will be a red Ultima GTR being driven with commitment. Good luck guys.

I think nissan might want to stick a couple of GT42R's on the V-Spec.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Does that even count as a production car? It's more of a road going race car. Will still be interesting to see what they do though, they use Corvette engines don't they?

 

[Jim Prower]

I dont' see why not...Ultima has (Supposedly) broken the Dunsfold Top Gear track record. Although it means even less than the 'Ring time since The Stig was not driving.

Will they break the RADICAL track record, though?

 

[DQuaN]

Doesn't look like it's moved yet.

Webcam

 

[TheCracker]

Not there now

 

[DQuaN]

Ooh! Maybe it's finally doing its lap.

 

[daan]

Maybe it's just been delivered back on the back of that truck...

 

[DQuaN]

It's back.

 

[exigeracer]

They've cleared the track so it looks like it's a go.

Car's back with a crowd around it.

and that's the end of that chapter....

 

[TheCracker]

Heading out again. Not going to be a clear track.

 

[Leonidae]

but isn't ultima more of a kit car with an engine that the owner chooses?

 

[Der Alta]

Maybe it's just been delivered back on the back of that truck...

Now here's an interesting note. The Silver car with silver stripes is a Factory Five GTM. I'm less than 30 minutes from the factory that builds that kit.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

but isn't ultima more of a kit car with an engine that the owner chooses?

No

 

[daan]

Now here's an interesting note. The Silver car with silver stripes is a Factory Five GTM. I'm less than 30 minutes from the factory that builds that kit.

I didn't know what it was. Thought at first it was a GT, but knew it wasn't quite. I got 2 photos of it, and stuck them both in the nurburgring webcam gallery thread.

 

[YSSMAN]

Now here's an interesting note. The Silver car with silver stripes is a Factory Five GTM. I'm less than 30 minutes from the factory that builds that kit.

Bah! Beat me to it!

I'd love to hear what one of those could pull off... Built with the right parts I'm assuming its a very capable track machine!

 

[Leonidae]

well, it can be ordered as DIY package or assembled, just like Atom, Caterhams etc.. so, which one is it? kit car or..?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

well, it can be ordered as DIY package or assembled, just like Atom, Caterhams etc.. so, which one is it? kit car or..?

Its the factory built GTR720 which holds all the other current records.

The Ultima GTR used for the successful record attempt was the factory’s standard production specification Ultima GTR640 demonstrator, which has recently been upgraded with a 720bhp Chevrolet V8 engine, and hence now known as the Ultima GTR720. The GTR720 was fully road legal, road tyred and equipped with a standard 5 speed G50 transmission and a standard production engine option from Ultima’s official OE engine suppliers American Speed. No traction control devices or ABS braking aids were used.

 

[tac]

no ones there now.

 

[Tornado]

Does that even count as a production car? It's more of a road going race car.

Its one of those production cars only designed to make record lap times meaningless rather than have any real value as a vehicle.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Its one of those production cars only designed to make record lap times meaningless rather than have any real value as a vehicle.

Erm no its not.

 

[Tornado]

Uh, yeah it is. It is a production vehicle design specifically to break track records rather than have much usable value on roads. If that doesn't nullify their meaning, I don't know what does. I'm not saying that it is bad at what it does, but if this car does take the record than I doubt many people will care.
This particular vehicle is better than the Radical in that it has a roof, but otherwise the idea is the same.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Uh, yeah it is. It is a production vehicle design specifically to break track records rather than have much usable value on roads. If that doesn't nullify their meaning, I don't know what does. I'm not saying that it is bad at what it does, but if this car does take the record than I doubt many people will care.
This particular vehicle is better than the Radical in that it has a roof, but otherwise the idea is the same.

No its not they have been making Ultima's since 1983 and even mclaren used them as test beds for the BMW V12 in the Mclaren F1.

Go show me where Ultima state that the GTR was specificity built to break records? Because you wont,considering this version of the GTR has been built since 1998 yet the first record it broke wasnt until 2004.

 

[Tornado]

Go show me where Ultima state that the GTR was specificity built to break records? Because you wont,considering this version of the GTR has been built since 1998 yet the first record it broke wasnt until 2004.

Looking at this car's design and internals, I think it would be safe to assume it was designed to go fast around tracks. The fact that it would go fast around a race track, therefore, isn't a big deal. Building on that, the fact that it may take a record going around a track (when it was obviously designed to go around tracks fast above all else) makes the idea of the record meaningless.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

So you are going to start this crap again.


Looking at this car's design and internals, I think it would be safe to assume it was designed to go fast around tracks. The fact that it would go fast around a race track, therefore, isn't a big deal. Building on that, the fact that it may take a record going around a track (when it was obviously designed to go around tracks fast above all else) makes the idea of the record meaningless.

Im not starting anything,you are.

You seem to try to find ANY excuse to put down any car that has a chance of beating the nissan micra around the nurburgring and here again you are showing that,True the race version was banned because it was too fast but then so was the R32 GTR so does that mean any time it does isnt valid?

This GTR wasnt built to go fast around race tracks because by the time this car was made they had already been banned for 17 years.

 

[Tornado]

You seem to try to find ANY excuse to put down any car that has a chance of beating the nissan micra around the nurburgring and here again you are showing that,

Don't you dare claim I'm biased just because you have come out on the wrong end of an argument with me. The general consensus on this board is that
Nurburgring lap times are pointless, and it is partially because of cars like this. If you don't like the fact that other people are unmoved by 'Ring hotlaps, that is your problem.

True the race version was banned because it was too fast but then so was the R32 GTR so does that mean any time it does isnt valid?

Blah blah *GTR is slow* blah blah. Take it from someone who knows first hand: You aren't going to get much intelligent debate if you try and drag this thread through past arguments on some small hope of relating some bias on the other person.


Let me rephrase my stance:
If Audi made this a production car,

and it started smashing track records, would you be particularly surprised? Would you find the record to still have some meaning if it was set by a car designed to go fast on race tracks? Would you somehow think that being fast on a race track somehow relates to being usable anywhere else?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Don't you dare claim I'm biased just because you have come out on the wrong end of an argument with me. The general consensus on this board is that
Nurburgring lap times are pointless, and it is partially because of cars like this. If you don't like the fact that other people are unmoved by 'Ring hotlaps, that is your problem.

Why not? You came right in saying that this car was designed and built to break records and to go fast round a track which ISN'T TRUE.
,im guessing you didnt even bother researching it where as if went to the ultima site you would have found

The Ultima Can-Am and GTR have both been designed as road cars so will therefore clear any speed-humps and other obstructions such as ferry ramps.
Rest assured that Ultima staff do spend a lot of time posing in town centres worldwide just to prove this point.

and this

and

Is the Ultima a road legal car?

The Ultima GTR and Ultima Can-Am have been designed as road cars and as such have :-

* Compliant suspension
* Ample suspension travel
* Adjustable suspension
* Comfortable seats
* Seat lumber support
* Leather or Alcontara trim
* Bulkhead and floor carpet
* Ample leg room
* Easy cockpit access
* Gas strut assist for doors and bonnet
* Superb visibility
* Ergonomically designed dashboard and controls
* Electrically adjustable wing mirrors
* Charging points for sat nav phone etc.
* Good turning circle
* Tractable engine
* Lockable doors and fuel caps
* Watertight
* Sealed luggage containers
* In door storage
* Air con or heater/demister
* Sufficient ride height for speed humps
* Toll booth compatible
* Alarm and tracker system options
* Excellent headlights
* Low wind noise
* Easy to drive
* Road clutch and brakes
* Superb access to all mechanical parts
* Powder coated and plated components
* Designed to fit inside a standard house garage
* Cockpit noise level similar to a Corvette C5
* Moulded rear inner wheel arches
* Both models have been road registered in over 20 countries
* Unbeatable road presence

And a while ago people were interested in what this car would do around the nurburgring,now they are goind it why shouldnt i post it to bring it to peoples attention?

Would you find the record to still have some meaning if it was set by a car designed to go fast on race tracks? Would you somehow think that being fast on a race track somehow relates to being usable anywhere else?

Again this car wasnt designed to go round race tracks fast .

 

[Tornado]

I'm done. You are so blind to reality that it gets scarier and scarier every time you post. One need only look at the damn car to tell what it was designed to do, but sadly this too seems to be too much for you.
Keep in mind I never said it wasn't able to be registered or driven around town (and the fact that it does so doesn't mean much as a rebuttal to my point); but your mind seemed to have made that leap regardless, as it usually does. Good day.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

I'm done. You are so blind to reality that it gets scarier and scarier every time you post. One need only look at the damn car to tell what it was designed to do, but sadly this too seems to be too much for you.

I think its the other way around,just because it has a big wing you automaticly assume its a race car made road legal yet Ultima clearly state that from the start it was designed and built as a road car,im pretty sure they know more about what the car was designed and built to do than you.

 

[///M-Spec]

Do me a favor.

Take this argument into THIS thread.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=108469

Thanks.


M

 

[Alex.]

Its one of those production cars only designed to make record lap times meaningless rather than have any real value as a vehicle.

You will not post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate

The exciting Ultima GTR road car is the result of over 20 years of extensive research and development and is a product that takes the Ultima marque to sensational levels of fit, finish and performance. The world renowned GTR really is a supercar in every sense of the word which has officially humbled every last mainstream car on the planet bar none. In 2006 the GTR was crowned as the fastest production car in the world, beating the likes of the Bugatti Veyron, Ferrari Enzo and McLaren F1 to a plethora of world speed acceleration and deceleration records.

EDIT: sorry M