Olympics-style FIA Motorsport Games to be launched this year

Discussion in 'Motorsport' started by Ross Hargill, Jul 26, 2019.

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Would you watch an Olympic-style motorsports games?

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  3. Possibly

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  1. ro_har_

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  2. BKGlover

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    As someone who has thought about something along these lines for most of my...functioning life, I don't see it working out well. The F4 car alone is a nice idea, execution still to be seen, but the problem I see with it is that feels contrived and thrown together in an effort to garner attention. Just on the outset, it seems like little more than a multi-event weekend that ended up way overbooked. Also, since when did the FIA support drifting?

    It could work, but the big issues I see are that there's no national teams for this in the first place. Never been a French national team defeating the heavily favored Germans in the 4x10 relay race, while the Brits maintain dominance in the high speed downhill. And while the details are still few, my thought is that it'll be a bunch of normal events, just with color coordinated teams of 3 or 4 at most. So a GT3 sprint, two TCR rounds, an F4 car demonstration race, the already mentioned kart slalom which immediately screams "this was crowbarred in for downtime", with smoky drifts as a closing act while the digital malarkey goes on in a manner so far removed from everything else you'd swear it was a separate event you stumbled into accidentally. Have some fun with it, kart duels on the drifting circuit, synchronized slaloms with the drifters, the relay race I mentioned, and where's the rapid start rally that could open the show.

    ...Sorry, got a bit excited.
     
  3. 05XR8

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    Good stuff. Jessica Backman is quick.

     
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  4. twitcher

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    FIA has been running “world championship” drift events for a couple years now. The ones I’ve watched were amongst the worst drifting events I’ve ever watched. Random selection of drivers usually driving borrowed cars, most of the top names choosing to not compete, or can’t afford to have a car on each continent. Audience attendance is usually extremely poor. Commentary team is not even familiar with many of the drivers competing. Basically the laughing stock of the drift world.


    As far as “never been a French national team vs the heavily favoured Germans” never having been a thing.....that’s exactly what things were like in the late 40s and early 50s. The Brits use dark green; French used sky blue, Italians used red, Germans used white. The reason Monza had chicanes added to it was because back then, the Italian cars were under powered but good handling, while the German and British cars had better top speed. It’s not just pure coincidence that Fangio, an Argentinean of Italian ancestry, only drove for German and Italian teams.
     
  5. TheHun99

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    I’m obviously for #TeamHungary. For the touring cars there should only be one reasonable choice: Michelisz. Let’s hope he’ll be representing us.
     
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  6. twitcher

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    Let’s hope his Hungarian fans with their ultra obnoxious horns aren’t anywhere within 20 miles of the competition.
     
  7. TheHun99

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    LOL I have no such experience as I haven't been at a race since 1999
     
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    Watch some of Norby’s races at the hungaroring. Last year was absolutely terrible, it was on the level of World Cup in South Africa. This year I think efforts were made to prevent people from bringing the horns in, but you could still here a few of them.
     
  9. BKGlover

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    While I get what you're saying, you didn't include the last part of that sentence "...in the 4x10 relay." Yes, Mercedes was a juggernaut, and the Brits were brutes, but while an entire nation's companies would follow trends, it wasn't a full-on National team, and while Fangio is a good example, you have to ignore Sterling Moss at Mercedes as a counter point. The FIA only assigned national colors to make it easier to identify cars. That Monza bit doesn't surprise me at all though.

    As for the drifting, somehow that sounds worse than what I had imagined they did.
     
  10. NotThePrez

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    IIRC, the very first event (from 200...9, I want to say? It wasn't called the Intercontinental Cup then) was won by Rhys Millen, which wasn't a surprise that year considering that he was literally taking everybody to the cleaners. The first event (and only event that year) actually had a pretty decent turnout and a lot of top talent from all over the world, but the hype for the event was kinda killed when Rhys won.

    I think the FIA's problem with drifting, and I never thought I'd say this, is that they're *too* serious of an organization to really grasp what makes drift events great, and have no understanding of how drifting differs between locations.

    Despite the heavy presence of manufacturer and aftermarket support, even top-level drift events tend to not give out huge stacks of cash, relative to other forms of motorsports. Budgets for many teams are both very small and very tight, teams tend to have few personnel relative to other disciplines, and the cars a built in a way where grabbing parts doesn't completely destroy the team depending on the region. That's why Formula D tends to have a bias towards V8s and SR engines, European Drifting tends to see a mix of BMW and 2JZ-based cars and D1GP is the land of the 2JZ, RB and Rotary. With few exceptions, the cars are garage- or shop-built as well.

    Very few drifters are richy-rich guys who are rolling in dough and can go to each event without moderate worry. The only real exceptions I can think of are Daigo Saito, and in particular Vaughn Gittin Jr., who is basically the poster boy for Ford, Nitto Tires, his own RTR brand and Monster Energy. Most professional drifters do not fit in that very small club, and even those guys still aren't at the level of say DTM or even WTCR drivers and teams in terms of disposable income (probably sans JR, he got Ford GT money apparently), which affects how many cars a driver or team can field, and their ability to move their cars all over the world. Things get especially tricky if you wreck, and your next event is somewhere where parts for your particular vehicle are not a dime a dozen.

    All these factors make convincing drivers to manage both their regional championships and an international series a very tall order indeed. That's not even considering things like the different event formats per series, the different rulesets for each series, each series' fan followings, the different judging styles for each series coughD1GPsucksrightnowcough, lack of car class structure, etc. I don't know what the FIA could do to better this, but as a fan, any ideas I can think of range from unrealistic to plain stupid.

    Also, as an aside, it's really weird seeing Jean Todt at any kind of drift race.

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    Granted, this is from 2017, but still.
     
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  11. 05XR8

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    Is that list a joke? Rory Butcher is a BTCC midfielder at best. Luca Engslter is an also ran in TCR Europe, same with Gille Magnus. Jessica Backman is a Euro TCR backmarker. Tom Coronel is a hilarious personality, but he’s not fast - his best days are long behind him. He’s more likely to end up in a crash and DNFing than anything.

    I watch a LOT of TC racing, and the rest of the drivers I’ve literally never heard of. These just reeks of peak FIA...just like their “world drifting championship” that had the wackest driver lineup in the history of a pro drift event, these TC drivers are amateurs at best, not fast, and not anywhere close to being the top of their category.

    Edit: missed Homola’s name on the list. He’s probably the fastest of the bunch, but that’s not saying too much.
     
  13. 05XR8

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    Jessica Backman isn't a back marker. She had a few bad races but has good speed. She's run up top 10 numerous times. TCR Europe is tough.

    I don't know how they've invited or who wanted to sign up for these races.

    Why aren't Josh Files, Lloyd, Plato, Tarquinius, etc. signed up? I don't know.
     
  14. TheHun99

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    Hungary's Norbi Kiss used to race in various single make series before jumping into ETRC and becoming 2-time European champion - sure, he may not be a current TCR driver but hopefully he can perform decently.

    I heard from somewhere that it may be contractual. The participants present their countries and who knows what their contracts allow them in terms of presence etc. - definitely not ideal though, I fully agree.

    What we do know though, that the Digital Cup will have some heavyweights from multiple countries including GT World Tour participants.
     
  15. twitcher

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    Maybe not back market, but mid fielder at best.

    9, 15, 13, 3, 23, 16, Ret, 23, Ret, 6, 16, 27, 26 for 19th overall in the championship is not what I’d call a stellar season.

    I’d agree that TCR Europe is a tough series, lots of pretty decent drivers, large fields separated by small margins...but to me it’s only the 3rd best TC series running right now behind WTCR and BTCC (and who knows who the fast guys from South America are, we never hear about them), being 19th overall in the 3rd best series is not exactly headline making, to me at least.

    I agree though, where’s the Suttons, Platos, Turkingtons, JK Vernes, Juliene Briche, Files, Zhu, Tarquini, Mueller, Erlacher, etc etc.
     
  16. 05XR8

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    She's done well in TCR Germany. Podium finishes.

    It's still going to be interesting. I'm looking up the Asian drivers at the moment.
     
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    Who also happens to be the newly-crowned Independents champion. Plus, he ended up finishing 5th overall this season. :)

    That being said, I'm curious to see how Butcher gets on in TCR machinery - I would've thought the FIA would select Files or Sutton as a UK representative considering their experience in those types of cars.
     
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    Fair enough....still though, 10 top 5 finishes in 30 races is, kinda, midfield-ish. Pointy end of the midfield :lol:

    I’m still sceptical of BTCC drivers in TCR cars, they haven’t exactly had a stellar track record. I regard BTCC as an extremely competitive series, but I think many, most, BTCC drivers rely on their exceptional circuit knowledge quite heavily. Put them on an international circuit they’re unfamiliar with, they have some work to do.

    Sheddon has been really disappointing in WTCR. Sutton has done a couple races, but again, didn’t blow anyone’s doors off, not the way he does in that Scooby in BTCC.

    Let’s see how Butcher does, but like you said, not sure how Files wouldn’t be the first choice (maybe he was, and declined?), given that he was a TCR champion this year.
     
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    Sweet Jesus-shaped pancake...MG really doesn't know how to build an attractive car do they? I guess it's easy to pick them out in the race though.
     
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    That's pretty good.
     
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    I only made it about nine minutes in...and my god that's a depressing state of affairs. Cliff's notes: is the racing any good? Is it worth poking around through there to find the real racing?
     
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    The TCR was excellent, and I enjoyed the Digital Cup. Didn't catch the GT3s, but they're usually good for a laugh.
     
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    I didn't watch much, a bit of the touring cars, GT3 and drifting, from what I saw it struck me as a really odd event.

    The organisation felt... Just about there, but nothing about the events felt particularly significant.

    Honestly it feels to me like they really rushed into it, and where some elements of it (read: entry fee for GT players) have left a bitter taste in some people's mouth I don't hold out much hope that this will catch on.

    I mean, at its core, it looks like a really good idea, but to essentially ask competitors to make space in their already busy calendars on what seemed like really short notice was probably never going to lead to a top flight event.

    Weird move from the FIA, in my view.