One of my now favourite features of GT5 - Gifts

[Jordanp19]

This has opened up the oputunity to trade. With the New "GT5 Marketplace" forum it is easy to trade and find cars. It has become on of my favourite features! I am enjoying going through forum posts and finding cars and making offers. Its like GT Ebay!

 

[JayKayEm]

Except when gifts go missing.

 

[Hoodie1878]

Except when gifts go missing.

It'll be the snow.

 

[imaROBOT_]

I love this feature as well. I just had a friend send me a classic muscle car he has modded so I can run those races requiring it.

 

[Jordanp19]

Can't say I have ever had a gift go missing before, hopefully this will get patched

 

[danjama]

It'll be the snow.

You sir, are a wit.

 

[rynedee]

I gifted a Lambo SV (good 500k credits worth of Italian goodness) yesterday that failed. I no longer have it in my garage and my friend never got it. Good times.

Seems like the online stuff is getting rolled out in bits and pieces.

 

[imaROBOT_]

I gifted a Lambo SV (good 500k credits worth of Italian goodness) yesterday that failed. I no longer have it in my garage and my friend never got it. Good times.

Seems like the online stuff is getting rolled out in bits and pieces.

I've gifted about 6 cars now between different friends and never that this issue come up. Maybe it has to do with your network?

 

[Vautwin]

It seems that if you gift a car and you see the upload error appearing, be prepared to eject cd or turn of your console on the double. That could save your car. Havent tried it thou

 

[danjama]

Where is this gift thread you speak of?

 

[Rocker]

I've gifted about 6 cars now between different friends and never that this issue come up. Maybe it has to do with your network?

As a certified computer network engineer with many years of experience, and knowing how computers, programs, hardware and networks ACTUALLY work, I can tell you that "the network" simply cannot be the problem.

The gifting process is a transaction between machines. Their behavior is dictated by the program. The program should direct that neither machine completes the transaction until both machines verify the exchange is complete.

Therefore if a gift goes missing, then one or both machines followed instructions to delete it. Those instructions can only come from the program. If there is an error, it is the developers fault.

While networking hardware may cause various physical and data-link issues, it cannot ever pass along instructions that do not exist, unless of course random noise actually forges an authentic and valid data packet stream. This probably occurs at a rate of once every 100110110110110101010101010 data packets.

 

[Jordanp19]

The Gift thread is under the Gran Turismo 5 thread. Called GT5 MArketplace

 

[imaROBOT_]

As a certified computer network engineer with many years of experience, and knowing how computers, programs, hardware and networks ACTUALLY work, I can tell you that "the network" simply cannot be the problem.

The gifting process is a transaction between machines. Their behavior is dictated by the program. The program should direct that neither machine completes the transaction until both machines verify the exchange is complete.

Therefore if a gift goes missing, then one or both machines followed instructions to delete it. Those instructions can only come from the program. If there is an error, it is the developers fault.

While networking hardware may cause various physical and data-link issues, it cannot ever pass along instructions that do not exist, unless of course random noise actually forges an authentic and valid data packet stream. This probably occurs at a rate of once every 100110110110110101010101010 data packets.

That is not 100% true. His network could disconnect on the exchange and possible cause the car to disappear because the transaction between the two machines never finished. Trust me I've worked on a IBM helpdesk for many years and see these types of network and data loss issues all the time.

 

[gee_sp0t]

I've learned 2 very important things over the course of my IT career. 1 - It's not the network and 2 - It's not the network. Apps suck.

 

[BKViper]

I love the Gifting, but I think it sucks big time that you can only gift one car per day.
That restriction makes no sense to me at all.

 

[cygnus_zero]

Dont like this feature, especially after using the auction house in forza. It's too limited right now, and I with it were open to total strangers online like an auction house would be.

 

[Jordanp19]

Good point, I am hoping they remove the 1 a day limit...

 

[Rocker]

That is not 100% true. His network could disconnect on the exchange and possible cause the car to disappear because the transaction between the two machines never finished. Trust me I've worked on a IBM helpdesk for many years and see these types of network and data loss issues all the time.

This is not simply a missing packet at layer 1-6 (data-link to presentation). There must be a confirmation between nodes at layer 7 (application). You cannot duplicate that by network disruption. If it happens due to network issues, then the application failed to confirm the transaction before proceeding with the delete.

Help desks don't explain it to users or even to the help desk operators because it is a mind-numbing technical exercise to comprehend, and frankly, just plain not worth it, unless you do what I do.

The short version, redux: Any time network data transmission issues cause data loss it is because the developer did not account properly for error conditions. All networks have CSMA/CDA and there is a reason for it.

And like gee_spot said: 1) It's not the network, and 2) It's not the network.

 

[Rocker]

Here is another way to look at it. Let's say I'm a program and you are a program. We are standing on opposite sides of a river (the network). I throw a rope (transaction) to you on the other side. I ask if you have the rope, and you confirm that you have the rope. I therefore let go of my end.

Now, if you do not have the rope after I let go of my end, how is it the fault of the river?

It absolutely cannot be the fault of the transmission. That is not how it works.

 

[ssphotography]

Friend sent me a Toyota 7 yesterday afternoon to do the historic cup races, it left his garage and here it is almost 24 hours later and its not in either of our garages!