One of the Cleanest Public races @ Nürburgring

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Awesome racing last night!

I wanted to share a perfect example of proper sportsmanship, mixed with excellence and excitement. I wanted to thank all those that attended my room last night, I publicly thank you for your ability to achieve excellence by driving like a pro instead of a(n) [insert choice word here]! You know who you were and I commend you!

If someone from last night has the ability to get a replay on youtube from last night, please post here! I'll see if I can get some screen shots or even a capture of a replay on here, but that will take some time since at work at the moment.

For all those that weren't there-
Understand it was a cardinal rule of the Server that set the pace of the room for 4-5hours continuously!

Cardinal Rule:
*Avoid physical contact if possible. "Crap" happens but keep it clean and use the brakes and not your bumper!


And to quote what some said:

Your car doesn't have a spade on it right? Well don't drive it like a bulldozer

Pass like a pro, not like an a_ _!

If you gotta pass and its crowded wait till the straight. If you're slower traffic provide a hole for the faster traffic and pace them and use the draft; don't take them and others out since you're slower!

Many like myself were utterly amazed at the results. Everyone kindly participated and followed the rule, even if it meant giving up a place or taking second opposed to first. I even witnessed many that gave up placing for a simple nick as a true show of fellow sportsmanship.

Why it worked
The basic idea was this, you let the others pass and it will avoid accidents or mistakes that would in turn set you and the other person back. Some cars are faster in certain sections and as many know Nurburgring, you never know what happens as long as you keep the pace.

Due to the close nature in performance of the cars (not PP aspect, actual car physics, big difference), and less likely hood of things "getting wrong" (as one person put it) - it was exciting to race in a "train of cars" all the way around the ring with hardly anyone becoming stragglers or way behind the pack. Imagine for a moment the closest race between 16 people in GT5; that was the outcome. More on this in a minute:tup:

However; those that didn't "try" to keep it clean or found themselves using their "chrome bumper" instead of their brakes to make their way through the crowd were kindly asked to stop or take their un-sportsman like tactics elsewhere. "Rubbing is racing" is not in Nascar, its in the movies (quote is from Days of Thunder), and definitely not at the Nurburgring no matter your skill level if you consider yourself truelly skilled. Bumps happen, sure, but if you force-ably "pushed" through the crowd you were booted and that's not skill; that's "douche-baggery". The good thing is only 2-3 people got booted for such actions, so that tells you alot, especially in the space of 4-5 hours and a consistently full room of 16, with some coming and going of a few.

End result, a "train" of cars from 1st to 10th consistently, with occasional full 16; with approximately a max of 1/2 a sec difference all the way through the 3 larger flavors of Nurburgring: Nordschleife, Type V (VLN), and 24 hrs. To add, there was no flaring of tempers, and many many enjoyed themselves, which was very welcome! People were apologetic and understanding if something went wrong. Basically this is why certain type of racing have restrictions, to keep the racing close and exciting. If you like higher PP like I do that's fine, but when racing with a large pack of people its best to race slow cars fast.

Now that to me is a perfect example of what Gran Turismo is all about and what I'm sure Kazunori Yamauchi envisioned what multiplayer should be like. 👍

The details:

  • 450-530 Performance Points*
  • Street Cars only (tuners and all Le Mans "Road" type cars were allowed as long as it was a close race, R390 & GT-One excluded)
  • Penalties Strong (if you drove right you wouldn't be affected)
  • 3 track cycle tour of the larger tracks @ Nürburgring
  • 10PP increase at every cycle (meaning run all 3 tracks: Nordschleife, Type V, and 24hrs at current PP then after 24hrs, increase PP by 10)

*PP range has been found (may be debatable by some, but talking about a General Audience of Casual to Enthusiast type racers), to be a good range for close quarters racing with a widespread public audience. If you scorn this fact then you weren't there last night. This allows for a wide variety of cars to be used as well as in my own personal experience and with talking with many since having the game at launch found that in the higher PP range rooms you find more clumsy drivers that make up for their inaccuracies with higher performance point based cars. Not all the time but very typical of immature drivers who don't drive clean. Another fact to consider, it was a Public room and slowing things down a bit allowed a larger audience to enjoy racing then a select few, this why the room was constantly full for hours (16 person room).

Closing notes
In my opinion (IMO) I'd rather have super clean racing and good sportsmanship like conduct all day long. I also find it more amusing to see others show true skill in using the brakes properly and abilities of cars then use other cars as brakes and barriers. I can't be wrong as many others shared the same enjoyment last night. I wish more would drive like this instead of displaying how well they can push others out of the way for little reward. Displays a selfish nature and lack of respect of racers, and racing in general.

Take these quotes into mind when thinking of this:
Newman's first law: It is useless to put on your brakes when you're upside down.
-Paul Newman
It's better to go into a corner slow and come out fast than it is to go into a corner fast and come out dead.
- Sir Sterling Moss
It is more fun to drive a slow car fast than to drive a fast car slow.
- Abner Perney
You know, race car driving is like sex. All men think they are good at it.
- Jay Leno


What's next?

Find us tonight again, I'll be hosting starting at approximately 5pm Central (-6 UTC) tonight.

Changes-

450pp to 525 Increments of 25PP per cycle of the three large Nurburgring tracks.
 
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no problem with clean racing in the lobbies i be in. i know everyone in them so its never really an issue.
 
I'm interested in join your room, but I'd like to ask what tyres do you use?

For exampel - road cars - SH - SS.

Race cars - RH

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How late will you be going tonight? If you have a room past 10 I can finally join you. I'll send you the car then too.
 
That was very long.

You didn't have to read it 💡 lol


I'm interested in join your room, but I'd like to ask what tyres do you use?

For exampel - road cars - SH - SS.

Race cars - RH

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We raced on race softs for a general audience as there was a good mix of enthusiasts and casual racers with some good skill.

Even a "hotchic" showed up.

I'm not sure if some got the point, overall it was some smooth real close super clean racing with everyone walking away having some fun.

Not typical of some public racing where some show large amounts of disrespect only to get a small amount of game money and 1st place in a video game. Probably the best thing is to point out is this came with out the usual attitudes and crushed prides causing tempers and arguments :)

Granted there was a little smack talking between those that knew each other but other then that, no one got "rubbed" the wrong way. :lol:
 
How late will you be going tonight? If you have a room past 10 I can finally join you. I'll send you the car then too.

Crap I was up till almost 2:30AM last night.

Join up when you can will more then likely run semi late tonight to at least 12pm CT
 
We raced on race softs for a general audience as there was a good mix of enthusiasts and casual racers with some good skill.

550pp and RS, the nurburgring is pritty easy. Anyway, if you drive clean it's going to be fun.

I quess the SRF is always set to off....., I don't mind about the other assistans, since I don''t use them.

I've sent you a friend request, so I may join your room and have some races. It's always good to race, with skillfull drivers :)
 
Some people seem surprised when I tell them on the mic, "S2000, pass me on the left" as I slide over, let off the throttle slightly, and let them pass. It's obvious when someone is much faster than you and you're slowing them down, especially on a tough track like Nurburgring where clean pass zones aren't in abundance due to the track roughness and width.
 
Cool deal! Come by and check it out. I just hope it wasn't a fluke that things went so well.

Setting up shortly! Look for it!

450-550PP Street Clean
(My name for host, and sort by Nurburgring if troubles finding it)

Here's what's in store for tonight:
  • Only major Rule; No Physical Contact when possible. Means use the brakes to avoid people, don't glide into them. If you have braking issues, increase the ABS factor.
  • 450-550PP
  • 3 Track Nurburgring Cycle: Norde, Type V, 24 hr
  • 25PP Increase per cycle, Up to 550 then back to 450.
  • ALL Street Cars welcome. If you run a special Le Mans "type", Tuner or 1 off and are winning by more then 7 seconds ahead of 2nd consistently be prepared to change it up to keep it interesting for the room's sake.
    *There will be fast people there that can catch just about anything. i.e. the "tannibus" :lol:
  • Race: Soft tires (for the fun of it)
  • Strong Penalties on (if we have a minor lag or glitch issues, it will be weak or off)
  • 40 Sec Delay
  • ALL Assists off (but for one player I know leaving the Driving Line on as an inside joke.)
  • Auto start will be 5min (once room is full and pace is going well)
 
Great night of clean racing.👍 I'll look for you again speed.
 
Should be interesting to try it with sport softs sometime. I've gotten really used to race softs since most rooms run that. I'm sure after a couple races we will adjust.
 
There should be a room “code” to identify rooms like this. An acronym or something unique with no affiliation with any forum, team, or established event/competition, but simply to indicate a “safe haven” for players wanting realistic, sportsman, fun racing. Proper settings always established (e.g. no skid recovery, realistic grip, and sport tires for street cars, at the least), no tolerance for any contact no matter how small, and an understanding for what “fairly comparable” cars are (a detuned Ferrari is not comparable to a maxed out Civic).

Or maybe it already exists and I don’t know?
 
There should be a room “code” to identify rooms like this. An acronym or something unique with no affiliation with any forum, team, or established event/competition, but simply to indicate a “safe haven” for players wanting realistic, sportsman, fun racing.
Or maybe it already exists and I don’t know?

Honestly, I don't know. But its a good idea!

This has been a headache of mine with this game since my recent previous experience with racing games have been PC based. With the different server options, information displayed, filter options, etc; I got spoiled and driven away from console games due to this limitation.

There's alot lacking in this degree with GT5. It might be the limitations of the PS3 as I'm definitely seeing that with this game so far. Granted there's alot to be said about GT5 and love it, but if you ever played games like rFactor, GTR Evolution, GTR2, etc you know what I'm talking about. Millions of options compared to only a few when it comes to multiplayer hosting options.
In this regard if you are interested, please vote for my suggestion (with more details) in what I would suggest in the Feedback forums here: Dedicated Server option - Please Put in GT6!!!
 
I have had races like these. one room we were doing 21 lappers+ a required pit stop. very fun. clean, exciting, stoned :)

would love to race the Ring clean, without getting rammed first turn!! I let people pass if im slow and I know what sections I'm lacking. it's a BIG track and there's plenty time to catch up
 
would love to race the Ring clean, without getting rammed first turn!! I let people pass if im slow and I know what sections I'm lacking. it's a BIG track and there's plenty time to catch up

My sentiments exactly.

There should be a room “code” to identify rooms like this. An acronym or something unique with no affiliation with any forum, team, or established event/competition, but simply to indicate a “safe haven” for players wanting realistic, sportsman, fun racing.
Or maybe it already exists and I don’t know?

One acronym I was thinking about is SFC or other wise known as Super Fly Clean

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....but then again some wont know what the hell SFC means....I figure if it was used regularly I guess it would catch on??? 💡

Might try the designation but maybe spelled out for those not knowing what the hell to make of it :)

Oh and BTW below is a small example of how we race clean, notice the Ruf's and how we keep it tight but off each other's Bumpers? Probably better examples but this was last night at the BTR /CTR only meet:

 
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Or CCC? Clean Car Club? S&R? Sportsmanship & Respect? I’d like to. No “real” structure or centralized control over the name. Just an “implied fellowship.” Maybe also set it as the greeting when you enter a room to inform anyone else that you’re to be trusted. If we can get a few of us to just pick one we like (it doesn’t really matter I suppose) and start it ourselves and spread slowly. Slow and steady to make sure it does}t get blown out of proportion and end up losing it’s value.
 
The general rules of racing would work perfectly, you don't have to give room when you're leading.

Only one line change when you're in front in the straight, meaning that if you see someone behind you, you can take the inner line to defend your position and if he's a lot faster than you he'll get pass, if it's going to be tight, you have the upper hand in the corner.
There's no need to let them pass without a fight, but being all around the staight or borderline ramming people off the road when they're beside you is idiotic and I kick everyone that does that when I'm hosting.

1 Line change per straight for the car in front makes the racing tight, yet fair.

Also if you spin, wait until there's a clearing that you can enter. And if you miss the braking point and are about to rear-end someone, let go of the brakes and steer to avoid collision if you can.
 
Thats what i love about this game. when the racings bad its a bit annoying but, when its good, its bloody exhilarating. It can even get my heart racing and I have to train myself to stay calm & cool or i'll make a mistake.

I also think it takes more effort to be a butthead online then it does not to. Less risky too. The amount of players that I have watched spin out and leave races / rooms because they are too busy trying to ram than race.:dunce:
 
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Well, here’s a set of basic rules to keep in mind. It’s up to each room to enforce them (duh).

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Draft Spec. 1

Driver Suggestions
  1. Clean starts! Keep a good distance in to the first lap of the race. What a good distance is depends on the race, track, cars, and skill level. A tight track with nimble cars and good skill level with only a few laps might mean you can sit on someone’s butt without even the lightest of taps. A wider track with more laps and varying types of cars and driver skill would mean you keep 10 feet or more of distance at the closest points.
  2. No bumps. Mild taps should be okay so long as it’s not into corners where even a small tap could ’cause a driver to be forced quicker into a corner and not just pressured.
  3. Avoid these at all costs. That means if you broke late and will hit the car ahead, choose the wall, grass, anything but another car. In real life this isn’t always the better idea, but in this game, it’s fair enough.
  4. Pass when safe. This seems to be a less common one. I hate people that try to pass on tight, high-speed sections of tracks. Wait to pass. Be patient. Just because you can pass doesn’t mean you should. Make fit fun and sit on their butt and pressure them to make a better opening or wait.
  5. Being passed. When you see someone is coming on you quick and has been consistently, go on the outside of the next corner and take it a little slower. If it’s been kept tight and you feel you can keep a fair pace ahead, you can battle it, but don’t change your line to block more than once at a time.
  6. In the event you do mess up, you must stay behind and car you throw off, even if that means stopping still and waiting for them to get back on track and such.
Room Suggestions
  1. TSC and ASM should be allowed, while Driving Line, Steering Assist, and Skid Recovery off. Many cars come with TSC and ASM stock, so it should be acceptable to allow it. There’s no shame in it. Depends on your race, though.
  2. Tire Wear / Fuel Consumption on and Traction set to Real, needless to say.
  3. Use sport tires! What fun is a 300, or 400, or even 600 PP car on Race Softs? Even race cars should be limited to Race Hards.
  4. PP, horsepower, and weight do not mean everything. Race vs. street isn’t even enough. A Ferrari should not be racing a Civic, ever. No matter the level of modifications or detuning. It’s just not fair. The cars in stock form should be within 100 PP of each other. (This makes me wish throttle response, gearing, suspension, etc. were accounted for, per track type. Too much to ask for, I now.)
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Let’s work on some revisions on what I’ve missed, what should be negotiated, etc. It’ll be up to everyone who wants to to abide to it. There won’t be any “mast list of members” or anything. Still need a short acronym to use. Any votes? Should this grow into it’s own topic? How much support is there for this?
 
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