Our generations, forgetful, or short attention spans?

[Rat Bastid]

Originally posted by SaleenASL
Legally Blond 1 and 2
Charlie's Angels 1 and 2

I'm sure you'll have no trouble bringing your script to production.

Yeah, but only if Gil agrees to do it.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by vat_man
Can't explain it - maybe it wasn't 'sexy' enough?

Well, it was no 'embedded journalists' war - as I recall, it was long, drawn-out, and had little fighting deaths.

 

[milefile]

American don't like to hear about wars involving other white people. But we love hearing about the brown races getting annihilated. They deserve it.

 

[Duke]

Actually, I heard quite a bit about the Balkans conflict. It was on a much smaller scale, though quite long and drawn out. There was also much more UN involvement and it was not nearly as controversial as the current "adventure". Of course, becasue of that, the media couldn't manipulate it and sell it as easily, so they just treated it like regular news, not like the end of the Free World.

But it was covered quite extensively and regularly.

 

[rjensen11]

Originally posted by neon_duke
Actually, I heard quite a bit about the Balkans conflict. It was on a much smaller scale, though quite long and drawn out. There was also much more UN involvement and it was not nearly as controversial as the current "adventure". Of course, becasue of that, the media couldn't manipulate it and sell it as easily, so they just treated it like regular news, not like the end of the Free World.

But it was covered quite extensively and regularly.

The only real reason why I remember it is because when I was in 6th grade, we did current events on it for over a month. Funny how some of that stuff sticks with you....

 

[Gil]

Originally posted by Rat Bastid
I am a white man, (6', 190lbs.) born in and lived in New York City for twenty-nine years. I have yet to meet a single black person. I have no knowlege of "black cultre" what so ever.
Perhaps I could take a road trip to....... Kansas where I stop at a diner to eat. The place is crowded, but the waitress seats me at a booth. Shortly afterwards, the waitress returns, asking me if I wouldn't mind sharing my booth with another diner, she mentions that the place is so crowded and he's a regular. I tell her "No problem". Suddenly, this LARGE black man appears (6'5" 240lbs.). He's got a tatoo of a huge anchor and the letters USN on his immense bicep. Naturally I'm terrified. He sits across from me and we exchange akward greetings as we sip our coffee..........
Suddenly, two black helicopters appear from out of nowhere. Strafing the diner with their Gatling guns as we hit the deck. Amid all the turmoil, the black man grabs me and throws me through a convinently "removed" bay window and I belly flop onto the ground. As we run through the exploding, summersaulting cars in the parking lot, I discover that my Volvo sedan is unscathed.
We tear out of there just as the diner explodes like Hiroshima.There is a frienzied exchange of; "What the hell is going on?!?" and "I dont know, just drive!!!" So I drive REALLY fast. A minute or two later, we realize the helicopters have mysteriously disappeared and I skid the car on to the shoulder of the road.
We catch our breath, and the black man introduces himself as Gil. And I HAVE to help him........



Coming soon to a theatre near you! By GTP Productions.

Sounds interesting, However, I'm just a little dude now I'm only 6' nothing and I'm headed downward towards 240. (262 currently, for the interested, down from 292 BOO YAH!). Guess I'll have to hit the gym so I'll look good for the "requisite" shirt ripped to shreds and finally disgarded shots.
Oh, BTW, are the choppers chasing me, Rat, or are we both in the wrond place at the wrong time?
And more importantly, did we get to finish our country fried steak, and fried potatoes and onions, and Iced tea?

edit: How can you live in NYC for 29 years and never meet anyone Black? I lived in NY for just over a year and I saw mostly Orthodox Jews, and Black folks. 'Course I worked in Brooklyn, and played in Manhattan.





Y'all realize that I'm sitting in my new desk chair laughing my head off.
:

 

[Rat Bastid]

I thought you would get a kick out of it! Now to answer your questions (assuming you're half-serious);
1. They can work the camera angles to make you look MUCH taller.

2. OF COURSE the choppers are after you! You were a SEAL long ago, and you were on a mission under direct authority of then-drector of the CIA, George H.W. Bush. But you & your team discovered a "dirty little secret" involving Saddam & Usama. Now with al the recent bru-ha-ha involving these two characters, you and your team pose a "security risk"........

3. No food, we barely got to finish our coffee!

4. This is all an exercise in "creative lisence". I've had friends & girlfriends of many nationalites all my life.

5. I'm glad you're breaking in your new chair with a good laugh!

 

[Gil]

Originally posted by Rat Bastid
I thought you would get a kick out of it! Now to answer your questions (assuming you're half-serious);
1. They can work the camera angles to make you look MUCH taller.

2. OF COURSE the choppers are after you! You were a SEAL long ago, and you were on a mission under direct authority of then-drector of the CIA, George H.W. Bush. But you & your team discovered a "dirty little secret" involving Saddam & Usama. Now with al the recent bru-ha-ha involving these two characters, you and your team pose a "security risk"........

3. No food, we barely got to finish our coffee!

4. This is all an exercise in "creative lisence". I've had friends & girlfriends of many nationalites all my life.

5. I'm glad you're breaking in your new chair with a good laugh!

1. I don't mind looking my "real height"

2. I hope you have a plan for the "secret" that I know, Cause I'm clueless. But give me some time.

3. Damn, and I was hungry too!

4. Ok, cool. But you'll have to be from somewhere like Iowa for the storyline to be "believable".

5. Comfy chair, belly laugh. All that's missing is a cold Moosehead.

 

[Rat Bastid]

1. Well, OK. At 260, I guess you're intimidating enough.

2. Uhhhh..... Do I have to think of everythihg?!?

3. We go to your house where this pasty boy meets your family, gets some "Good down-home cookin' " and some "good-natured ribbin' " from your boys. I learn that "Gee, black familes really love each other, and this food is delicious! And I don't think it's poisoned!".
I almost forgot to mention that those pesky helicopters show up again. They blow your house to bits. Your family makes it to the secret bunker that you built, but you & I can't get there. So it's off to the trusty Volvo again.....

4. Iowa? I sure don't sound like I'm form Iowa! Maybe I could be from The Hamptons, or Westchester County.

5. Sounds like a plan.

 

[Gil]

Volvo????!!!How about a "Stealth" Saab 900 Turbo.
If I was a SEAL, could we at least be in a cool/semi-cool car?
I realize it's your Volvo. But c'mon.
Unless...
Are we talking about one of those cool restored to perfection then moddified almost to stupidity Volvo P1800s with the fins?
We are running from Apaches after all.

Oh, BTW. My wife is a cute strawberry blonde whose roots are East Coast. But she makes a mean pot of Turnip Greens and an equally mean sweet potato pie!!

 

[Rat Bastid]

You see, the Volvo symbolizes my "Upper-middle-suburban-whiteness". I know the Saab you're talking about.......... Tell you what, we'll head out to your old Colnel's house because "He'll know who's behind this". So we get there & the two old war dogs catch up on old times. We have a great dinner & go to bed early to rest up for the big day tomorrow. But not before we shoot a few rounds in his barn & I show you my skills with a 1911 & 12ga. pump! The M16 flies out of my hands though, for a bit of "comedy relief".
I wake up "in the middle of the night" & groggily head to the bathroom. On the way there, I see the Colnel's door cracked open & he's on the phone saying in a hushed voice; "He's sleeping now.......... No! I'll just send him on his way in the morning!.......... He's not alone!........I don't know who he is!........If you touch one hair on my Daughter's head!............... Alright....... Consider it done............ Both of them".
Basicly, it takes the two of us to kill him (He's the one who trained you.....) & his dying words are about how sorry he is & "they" killed his Wife years ago & that "they" had his Daughter. Wou were the finest, etc., etc. He also hands you the keys to HIS secret bunker........ Inside is a butt-load of weapons and a black 900 Turbo. Bulletproof, naturally.

OK, Apaches? Wow, I was thinkin' Hueys! (Don't like A-Stars)

Intergrated family? Hmmmm, I guess that would shock my character & really burn the uptight Anglos & conehead rednecks! (There's no similie that sneers!)

 

[Gil]

Okay, but the Colonel would have to be a Commander as there are no Colonels in the Navy.
As far as weapons, As long as theres a buttload of MP-5 submachine guns and Sig-Sauer P228 pistols, or better yet a matched pair of Detonics pistols with a dual shoulder rig, and I'll be happy. For good measure there needs to be a silenced Barrett .50 cal "Sniper" rifle, and "Ghillie suits" so we can pick them off from cover. (A little something to bring down some of those damn choppers and even up the score a bit.)
As I think about it Hueys or SH-60's that can carry troops would be a better choice than Apaches as it enables the "enemy" to put troops on the ground. Plus we can arm up initially by taking guns and LC-1 packs ("Alice Packs") off the soldiers that I had to take out hand to hand. Seeing as I'm a peaceful man and have shunned guns for these many years.

The Shotguns have to be either Benelli Autoloaders with extended magazines (I can just see you with two bandoliers of double-aught Buckshot. ) or the venerable Spas-12 combat shot gun.
Oh yeah, we have to eventually lose the Saab and switch to "appropriated" Harley Low-Riders.
As far as killing the Commander, that is not kosher. He was like a father to me. Yeah, he betrayed me, but under duress.
How about we put the daughter into hiding with my family at the bunker. (Read Jerry Ahern's "The Survivalist" Series about "John Rourke") And the Commander joins forces with us. Or, we can mount a rescue mission of his daughter, with the Commander also joining forces with us. I love you man but an experienced gunner to cover my "six" makes me a bit more comfy.
Plus that leaves two of us to get you up to speed, on tactics, and HCS(Hostile Control Systems) hand to hand combat techniques, etc.
Plus the Commander has connections that can warn/recruit the surviving members of the old team...

 

[Gil]

Oh Yeah, I guess the Volvo can stay. I just keep getting flashes of Nick Cage in "The Rock", talking to Sean Connery while disarming a rocket capable of launching VX gas..."I basically am a lab rat, my life is boring, I drive a Volvo, a beige one..."

 

[Rat Bastid]

Man, this is gonna be HARD WORK!
I like your Ideas. We'll do lunch at Spago!

 

[Gil]

This thread has been officially highjacked!!!

I don't know if we can get any further away from the original idea or not!!

 

[Rat Bastid]

Ah, we brought it back to life!
We'll have to make sure you get credit & pay for being the "Technical Coordinator" or something. How much training have you had? Sheesh!
I like the ideas about the Commander (Sorry about the "Colnel", I was thinking Rambo).
If the Sig is a 9MM, I'll take a Springfeild .45 like the FBI currently issues with the larger clip (compared to a 1911). 9s just zip through a person (not that it tickles) .45s knock a person down. That much I know.
As for the bandoleirs, I am 190 lbs. of lean muscle at 6'. Give me some credit! I work out every other day.
I'll take a Road King, thank you.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Gil

I don't know if we can get any further away from the original idea or not!!

Actually it perfectly sums up the original idea - nobody cared about Bosnia and we've all got short attention spans!

 

[Gil]

Originally posted by Rat Bastid
Ah, we brought it back to life!
We'll have to make sure you get credit & pay for being the "Technical Coordinator" or something. How much training have you had? Sheesh!
I like the ideas about the Commander (Sorry about the "Colnel", I was thinking Rambo).
If the Sig is a 9MM, I'll take a Springfeild .45 like the FBI issues with the larger clip (compared to a 1911). 9s just zip through a person (not that it tickles) .45s knock a person down. That much I know.
As for the bandoleirs, I am 190 lbs. of lean muscle at 6'. Give me some credit! I work out every other day.
I'll take a Road King, thank you.

I wasn't dissin' you as far as the bandolier. I just thought it would look truly bad-ass.
I understand your love of the .45, however I have seen a .45 cal roundnose hit a quarter inch thick piece of metal and come skidding back across the deck. Moving slowly enough to dodge if you're quick.
As far as the 9mm "zipping" right thru a person. I'll agree if you are using round nose bullets. But the Remington 9BP is a 95 grain "cupnose" that opens up like a hollow point, won't jam, (though I'm polishing the feed ramps just the same), and will cycle the H & K MP-5. I like universal ammo.
Plus you can get a lot of 9mm in less space. (though the Detonics Pisols are chambered for .45 ACP).
Besides, by the time the Cmdr, and I are finished with you, you'll be able to make head shots at 25 yards with the pistol (See Stephen Hunter's book "Hot Springs" for some exampes of pistol training), and out to 100 yards in single fire with the MP-5. For the sake of the story, I'm good out past 1500 yards with the Barrett, As long as the target is bigger than a 12 oz. soda can, and I have a good rest for the barrel. Also for the story Offhand, I can hit out to about 800-1000 yds.(See Stephen Hunter's book "Time to Hunt"). I'm good IRL, but not that good.
I have given you enough to read for the forseeable future. To the used book store with you!
As for my "training" I've been interested in firearms almost as long as I've been interested in cars. My dad taught me to shoot when I was 7 with Playco Dart guns. I graduated to the .22 rifle at about 9, And Chief Morley Kilborn had me qualify on the M-14 rifle, the Springfield 1911A1, and the Remington and Mossberg Riot shotgun. (of course at this time the Army and Marines were using the M-16A2 and Beretta M9 (model 92).
Bragging now. I was the only one to put any rounds on target with the M-14(a 1 inch square on an 8 X 11 sheet of paper at 100meters.)
Of course with the wind I was only able to get that close once. I did manage to keep the rest on the page. I think I adjusted my windage the wrong direction.
With those old .45s (yes, they rattle when you shake 'em) I kept all but two rounds in the torso of a silouhette target at 15 yards.
The other two were a deliberate double-tap to the head and were less than 2 inches apart. You could cover all the other rounds (28) with a dinner plate. I had to reload 6 times. We kept only 5 rounds in the magazines to extend spring life. That probably accounts for the size of the entire group.