Pagani Zonda R - THE most awesome car ever made

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...who likes to disagree, and why?

Some specs

Engine
Mercedes-Benz AMG - M120 - 12 cylinder V 60°, 48 valves; displacement 5987 ccm, dry sump
Maximum Torque
Nm/rpm: 710/5.700
Stroke
80,20 mm
Bore
89,00 mm
Traction control
12 Stage - Bosch Motorsport traction control system
Intake
Single throttle bodies, mechanically operated
Exhaust system
Hydroformed Inconel, ceramic coated
Transmission
Longitudinal mid engine; rear wheel drive with self-locking differential
Gearbox
XTRAC 672 bespoke magnesium casing gearbox, 6 speed sequential dog gearchange with Automac Engineering AMT system
Carbon-ceramic brakes
4 ventilated Brembo disks, hydraulic power brake; 12 Stage - Bosch Motorsport Race ABS
Discs
Front: 380x34 mm 6 piston caliper; Rear 380x34 mm 4 piston caliper
Wheels
Forged alloy APP wheels; 19” front, 20” rear
Tyres
Pirelli P Zero Zonda R: front 255/35/19; rear 335/30/20
Suspensions
4 independent wheels with double A-arm; Forged Avional suspension arms; pull rod helical springs and Öhlins adjustable shock absorbers
Structure
Central carbon-Titanium chassis, Engine is a stressed member; front and rear Cr Mo space frames; bodywork carbon fiber MD System
Dimensions
Length 4886 mm; Width 2014 mm; height 1141 mm; Wheelbase 2785 mm; Dry weight 1070 kg
Safety
Roll cage in Cr Mo steel; carbon fibre seats HANS compatible; five point harness
Performance
0-100 km/h in 2,7 sec
Top speed
> 350 km/h
Weight-to-Power ratio
1,43 kg/hp


Promo



Sound



More sound



Even more sound



Nürburgring: 00:06:47:50



Jeremy Clarkson testing it



Top Gear review



Fifth Gear review



I'm seriously considering buying this awesome (yet pretty expensive) AutoArt scale model:
AutoArt Zonda R unpacking

Now I only need to become very rich and buy me one of these :)


(not quite sure it beats the Ferrari F40 though)



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Still think the Ferrari F40 is tops. Zonda r is a fine piece of engineering though.
 
I do agree it is one of the Most (wicked awesome magnificant changes your day sick ) cars ever made and Tiff's reaction at the End of his Run with it just sums it all really .
It is true that
Money can't buy happiness but it can buy a Zonda R :D
 
veryferry
...who likes to disagree, and why?
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You can't drive it on public roads. This instantly destroys all concept of awesome in relation to cars - what's the point of a car you can't just get in and drive?
 
Tricolore is more perfect than the R. It retains a lot of the R's features and you can walk out to your garage and drive off. That's the one you should really be talking about. Zonda R is extreme but because of it's legality (or lack of) it falls into the same class as a formula 1 car. Which is much closer the ultimate car, you can actually race those against others similar. That said I do love the car and I didn't enjoy making that post.
 
Famine
You can't drive it on public roads. This instantly destroys all concept of awesome in relation to cars - what's the point of a car you can't just get in and drive?
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True, but if you have the money for a car as this, you probably also can afford a day or two at the tracks :p
 
veryferry
True, but if you have the money for a car as this, you probably also can afford a day or two at the tracks :p
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In that case, I would rather take an old Ferrari F1 car instead. ;)

The Zonda R is amazing, but I would rather take a Tricolore so that I could drive it every day on public roads if I wanted to. Even with that, I don't know if that is still the most awesome car ever made. But then again, I'm in the US, so I wouldn't be able to drive any of those here anyways.

Oh well, I guess I'll just have to stick to a Koenigsegg...
 
veryferry
True, but if you have the money for a car as this, you probably also can afford a day or two at the tracks :p
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Yeah... but that wasn't ever part of the point. You cannot just get into a Zonda R and drive it to anywhere, no matter how much money you have (unless you also happen to be the owner of a country).
 
veryferry
True, but if you have the money for a car as this, you probably also can afford a day or two at the tracks :p
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With it being not road legal, unless you just want to hire a track out and run around all day on your own, you probably wouldn't be able to run at most track days. You could run it at a track test day (ie for racing cars) but you're going to get owned by a £20k 15 year old F3 car.

*edit* Actually, after a bit of research, you probably could run it at a regular track day (as long as it doesn't exceed the noise regulations that most track days have). But why would you want to. You'd spend all your time avoiding much slower cars.
 
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The R is an amazing piece of engineering, but it's ultimately pointless.

You can't drive it on the road, and it has 2 major issues as far as using it on track days... 1) it's waaaay too loud (almost all UK tracks have a 105db limit) and 2) it's too fast... you'd hardly ever be able to use all its performance as you'd spend most of your time getting held up by slower cars.
 
It's a bonus car people :p
If you have enough money for a car like this, you probably already own multiple cars.
It's like the enzo fxx...just buy it and let pagani organise some track days for you ;)
 
Famine
Yep - pointless.

If you can't just wander out to your garage, hop into it and drive it to wherever, what's the point of it?
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Having an extremely rare car which is absolutely sublime on a track! It's like playing GT5, but then in a real car, with real G-forces and louder noise.
 
On a track it'll be outperformed by any number of even-less road legal cars which are much cheaper. The R is hampered by a bizarre need to look like a road car even though it's not allowed on one.

It's not a very good track toy. It's an appalling road car (because you can't use it). So I ask again - what's the point?

It's not only not "the most awesome car ever made", it's barely even a car.
 
The Zonda R shows how good the F is (but the 'normal', not the Clubsport, which is bathed in garish, unpainted Carbon Fibre).

I'd still take a Zonda F, a McLaren F1 or a Miura over this. In fact I could name at least 100 cars I'd want more than this.
 
Famine
On a track it'll be outperformed by any number of even-less road legal cars which are much cheaper. The R is hampered by a bizarre need to look like a road car even though it's not allowed on one.

It's not a very good track toy. It's an appalling road car (because you can't use it). So I ask again - what's the point?

It's not only not "the most awesome car ever made", it's barely even a car.
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It's not a very good track toy? Have you watched the vid's?
It almost as fast as an Porsche Le Mans Sport Prototype. So I really wonder which (even less road legal) car(s) you think will easily beat this Zonda R?
 
veryferry
It's not a very good track toy? Have you watched the vid's?
It almost as fast as an Porsche Le Mans Sport Prototype. So I really wonder which (even less road legal) car(s) you think will easily beat this Zonda R?
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TheCracker
You could run it at a track test day (ie for racing cars) but you're going to get owned by a £20k 15 year old F3 car.
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That.
 
Floats
Yes it is, please stop trying to justify the Zonda R as gods gift to the earth. You like it, good for you. You asked if people disagreed and they have, good for them.
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Excuse me...but what's the matter with you?
I just ask something to the guy, trying to get a normal conversation going.
I'm seriously interested.

So bugger off please.
 
veryferry
It's not a very good track toy? Have you watched the vid's?
It almost as fast as an Porsche Le Mans Sport Prototype. So I really wonder which (even less road legal) car(s) you think will easily beat this Zonda R?
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By 'Porsche Le Mans Sport Protoype' I assume you mean the 956 and specifically Bellof's qualifying record of 6:11.13 seconds round the Nordschleife.

So, three things

1) The Zonda R set a lap time of 6:48, 37 seconds slower than the 956

2) The Zonda set it's lap time on an empty track, Bellof set his in a Q session with other cars on track

3) Bellof's lap was in 1983, with tyres and other technology that must seem ancient compared to the Zonda. Not to mention it only had an engine less than half the size of the Zonda R with half the cylinders (with two turbos though)

So yes the Zonda R is almost within 30 seconds of a Prototype from 1983 on an empty track.
 
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By 'Porsche Le Mans Sport Protoype' I assume you mean the 956 and specifically Bellof's qualifying record of 6:11.13 seconds round the Nordfschleife.

So, three things

1) The Zonda R set a lap time of 6:48, 37 seconds slower than the 956

2) The Zonda set it's lap time on an empty track, Bellof set his in a Q session with other cars on track

3) Bellof's lap was in 1983, with tyres and other technology that must seem ancient compared to the Zonda. Not to mention it only had an engine less than half the size of the Zonda R with half the cylinders (with two turbos though)

So yes the Zonda R is almost within 30 seconds of a Prototype from 1983 on an empty track.
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lol

sorry, didnt know. I just know what Jeremy Clarkson tells me ;)

But just out of curiosity:
how fast will a (15 year old) F3 car go around the nurburg?
And now that I'm already asking this, maybe you know the answer to a question I have longer already: how fast would an F1 car go around the ring?
 
veryferry
how fast will a (15 year old) F3 car go around the nurburg?
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I have no idea if it has ever been attempted.

veryferry
And now that I'm already asking this, maybe you know the answer to a question I have longer already: how fast would an F1 car go around the ring?
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Nick Heidfeld drove a BMW F1.06 around the 'Ring (VLN course) in 2007. Taking it easy on short gears (170mph top speed) and avoiding the insides of the Karussells, he managed 8'34. Telemetry suggested, from individual corner speeds, a laptime of 5'57-6'12 of just the Nordschleife would have been possible on that day. BMW themselves calculated 5'16 for an F1.06 on a timed lap run.
 
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I say that Heidfeld could've got 6:12 at best :).
 
Famine
I have no idea if it has ever been attempted.



Nick Heidfeld drove a BMW F1.06 around the 'Ring in 2007. Taking it easy on short gears (170mph top speed) and avoiding the insides of the Karussells, he managed 8'34. Telemetry suggested, from individual corner speeds, a laptime of 5'57-6'12 would have been possible on that day. BMW themselves calculated 5'16 for an F1.06 on a timed lap run.
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Thanks!

But with all the new technology, handling and such....you are really confident the F3 would OWN the Zonda R? I know it weighs less, but it also produces less, right? I don't have a clue about the power of those F3 cars.
 
veryferry
But just out of curiosity:
how fast will a (15 year old) F3 car go around the nurburg?
And now that I'm already asking this, maybe you know the answer to a question I have longer already: how fast would an F1 car go around the ring?
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The Nurburgring probably isn't a good example. Single seaters haven't raced on the Nordschleife for decades, i don't think. I'm not sure if an owner of a Zonda R would ever be able to run one at The Ring, outside of a Pagini organised event.

veryferry
Thanks!

But with all the new technology, handling and such....you are really confident the F3 would OWN the Zonda R? I know it weighs less, but it also produces less, right? I don't have a clue about the power of those F3 cars.
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Difficult to say really. But for a little bit more (although still £1.425,000 less than the Zonda) this certainly would.
 
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TheCracker
The Nurburgring probably isn't a good example. Single seaters haven't raced on the Nordschleife for decades, i don't think. I'm not sure if an owner of a Zonda R would ever be able to run one at The Ring, outside of a Pagini organised event.



Difficult to say really. But for a little bit more (although still £1.425,000 less than the Zonda) this certainly would.
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Yeah...that's is a better buck for your money. But I doubt if the experience is as good as I recon it will be in the zonda.

I know it sounds silly, but I kinda trust Jeremy Clarkson's judgement. He has driven quite the amount of supercars, and he is absolutely amased and call this the best car he's ever been in. I know he says that more often, but it actually seemed like he meant it this time :p

Too bad I probably will never find out myself :p
 
Lol meant it this time... Coming from a man who took a deisel jag around the ring slower than sabine in a transit van. Yeah he's definitely the authrity to trust. Id say watch vids and enjoy but dont trust clarkson unless he's talking about a home made car in a tg challenge.
 

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