Panasonic Renew Title Sponsorshop of the Toyota F1 Programme

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Panasonic, the leading brand for which Matsu****a Electric Industrial is known, and Toyota Motor Corporation have today announced that they have agreed on, and signed, a contract to renew Panasonic’s title sponsorship of the Toyota Formula 1 programme.

The current contract is valid until the end of 2006. The renewed, three-year deal will see Panasonic as the title sponsor of Toyota until the end of the 2009 season. Panasonic has been Toyota’s title sponsor since 2002 – the year Toyta entered the FIA Formula One World Championship.

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Blake
 
Hmmm they can go stick their tounges out at Williams now then.

Would you think Honda still need a new sponsor?
 
BAT is still the title sponsor for 2006. But yes, with Tobacco sponsorship all but gone, definatly.

Blake
 
protecting the public from themselves. seriously the government needs something else to do... but thats not the point here.

just when i thought toyota would be sponsered by a toilet paper company given ralfs wonderfull driving, panasonic decide to stay. time will tell if this was a wise move...
 
I think Toyota is a better long term prospect for a multi-national like Panasonic. They have a longer track record in global motorsport. Honda doesn't have that (beyond their F1 and F1 engine programs). In the next 5 years I fully expect Toyota to have one a constructors and maybe even have a driver realistically fighting for a title. I just can't see Honda doing that anytime soon.
 
i see it the other way around. toyota doesnt stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning much of anything like what you said IMO. races maybe but not a constructors. at least not with ralf driving. honda i think stands a slightly better chance. button isnt that great of a driver either but i have faith in the team as a hole. honda is a very strong company.

now i just dont get why you say toyota has more global racing expierence then honda. please explain that.
 
pSI civic
i see it the other way around. toyota doesnt stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning much of anything like what you said IMO. races maybe but not a constructors. at least not with ralf driving. honda i think stands a slightly better chance. button isnt that great of a driver either but i have faith in the team as a hole. honda is a very strong company.

now i just dont get why you say toyota has more global racing expierence then honda. please explain that.
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Just reassuring us your Honda's number 1 fan?

I think there are about even, drivers are roughly on the same level of talent, cars perform pretty much the same and the level of money going into it is fairly close, perhaps Toyota tipping Honda on that one.

But then that is on the form of 05, remember 06 is a different ball game, especially since Toyota will be on Bridgestones.
 
yeah i guess i am... pSI civic is a huge fan of just about everything honda does... from lawn mowers to formula one with a bussiness jet and a robot thrown in for good measure...

i forgot about toyota being with a new tire company next year. that will be interesting to see how that works out.

i agree that in 2005 they were about even. the toyota had good pace in quali but tended to fade away during the race though which is where honda had them beat.
 
But saying that I don't believe either will get a constructors or drivers anytime soon, McMerc, Renault and Ferrari are too much of a force.
 
Bee
I think there are about even, drivers are roughly on the same level of talent, cars perform pretty much the same and the level of money going into it is fairly close, perhaps Toyota tipping Honda on that one.

But then that is on the form of 05, remember 06 is a different ball game, especially since Toyota will be on Bridgestones.
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I think Toyota has the edge because of the team itself. The structure. Gascoyne and TRD involvment. TRD has alot more experience in global motorsport (i.e. Lemans, NASCAR, open wheel series, etc). Honda's involvement has been limited beyond F1 in the 60s and their F1 engine program.

Yes, right now the cars are fairly equal, though the new Toyota in Ralf's hands looks much better than the Honda. On good days both Ralf and Trulli are lightyears ahead of JB and Rubens. However their good days seem few and far between.

However in the long term I think Toyota is the stronger prospect because of where the team is based and the structure Gascoyne has given it. TRD is a huge plus too.

Honda is going to struggle for a few years before they start doing anything. 04 was a fluke for BAR, won't happen again anytime soon. They have all their focus on JB, who isn't anything special and I can't see Rubens being happy there.

if I was a younger driver with prospects to be in F1 by 2009, or 2010 I'd be much more interested in getting in good with Toyota....
 
the 2005 season was a year of testing for honda so they should be able to put what they know from it into the 2006 car. honda builds good products. they are looking into racing in lmp soon to i think. i just think your not giving them enough credit for what the company can do. i also think toyota is only good because of Gascoyne and its still not that great.
 
pSI civic
the 2005 season was a year of testing for honda so they should be able to put what they know from it into the 2006 car. honda builds good products. they are looking into racing in lmp soon to i think. i just think your not giving them enough credit for what the company can do. i also think toyota is only good because of Gascoyne and its still not that great.
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I have nothing against Honda. I'm even considering buying one. I know Honda is a good company. However their history in global motorsport is limited when compared to Toyota or TRD. I don't think their Motorcycle history translates.

So that is what Honda did in 05? Testing...sure....I guess that is another term for "dismal-failure". Ferrari sure did alot of testing too.
 
pSI civic
wont they have the data from the team previous to the purchase?
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Yes but not alot of it will be worthwile, especially on the tyres and engine.
 
Bee's point is that with the new V8s and tire changes back in 06 all of BAR/Honda's "testing" in 05 is basically useless....
 
i keep forgeting about the tire change rule. i'm still in 2005 mode i guess. oh well. maybe with the changes they will be closer to 2004 spec!

one can only hope...
 
pSI civic
i keep forgeting about the tire change rule. i'm still in 2005 mode i guess. oh well. maybe with the changes they will be closer to 2004 spec!

one can only hope...
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See that's the other thing about BAR. 04's pace was a total fluke and more du to all the other teams dropping the ball. By mid season when McLaren, Renault and Willams started getting back on pace BAR's results dropped like a brick.

Early in 04, besides Ferrari no one was fast. BAR just happened to be a little faster mostly due to dumb luck (which they admit).

Where-as Toyota had a solid seaosn in 05 due to steady and control growth and structure. No fluke about it. They developed a good car, especially early in the season. By mid season they feel off due to lack of decent development but the B spec car showed that things are looking up.

Yes Toyota is switching to Bridgestones but with tire changes coming back online and Williams, Ferrari and Toyota doing tire testing AND Bridgestone's history of tire development when tire changes were allowed....it's looking good for them there too.

Remember Michelin's issues with developing tires to the 03 and 04 rules???

The V8 is an unknown right now but Toyota always seems to side on the side of caution with engine development, favoring realiability over big numbers. Renault proved that is a good way to go. BAR/Honda tend to favor making alot of smoke....
 
kensei
Yes Toyota is switching to Bridgestones but with tire changes coming back online and Williams, Ferrari and Toyota doing tire testing AND Bridgestone's history of tire development when tire changes were allowed....it's looking good for them there too.
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Yes very good infact. But then you gotta think, the top 2 teams are still on michelins.

Kensei
the V8 is an unknown right now but Toyota always seems to side on the side of caution with engine development, favoring realiability over big numbers. Renault proved that is a good way to go. BAR/Honda tend to favor making alot of smoke....
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Honda's engine in 05 wernt half bad in the 2nd half of the championship, yes Toytas hardly gave up at all but they had to sacrafice speed for that.

its gonna be a close battle, one that ultimately will decide alot of driver's futures.
 
Next season is going to be the McLaren/Renault/Ferrari show. I honestly doubt there will be a race win NOT by Kimi/Alonso or MS next season. Never count Ferrari out when they are hungry AND the rules suit them. I think the McLaren will be the same as this season, lot's of it going boom. The renault will be steady again but outpaced by both the McLaren and Ferrari on most occasions.

It's going to be pretty damn amazing I think! Better than 05 and 05 was amazing.
 
kensei
Next season is going to be the McLaren/Renault/Ferrari show. I honestly doubt there will be a race win NOT by Kimi/Alonso or MS next season. Never count Ferrari out when they are hungry AND the rules suit them. I think the McLaren will be the same as this season, lot's of it going boom. The renault will be steady again but outpaced by both the McLaren and Ferrari on most occasions.

It's going to be pretty damn amazing I think! Better than 05 and 05 was amazing.
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Yes I agree with you there but then the group of cars behind them in the 2nd group will produce great racing to!

(Toyota, Williams, Honda, RBR and possibly even BMW and the italian stallion red bull team (Can't remember name) AND SAR if they get done in time, phew!)

Then Midland will trundle behind causing accidents...
 
Civic, you mean to say that Jarno in his multiple pole positions in an inferior car doesn't even grant Toyota a snowball's chance in hell for winning a constructors in the future?

And, you said HONDA would get it before them? LOL. That's downright hilarious. Not a pole position, and they've blown more engines than Toyota's used all year.
 
kensei
Where-as Toyota had a solid seaosn in 05 due to steady and control growth and structure. No fluke about it. They developed a good car, especially early in the season. By mid season they feel off due to lack of decent development but the B spec car showed that things are looking up.
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I don’t really think Toyota dropped the ball much in the middle of the season. I think it was more a case of, like Gascoyne said, McLaren making them look faster than they were at the start of the season. If you look at their gap to Renault, it was pretty much consistant throughout the year, but McLaren got thir car working and then it looked like Toyota was an extra second slower.

But overall I agree, Toyota is a much better prosepect for future titles. If Honda and Toyota had the same package in terms of budget, race exprerience etc. I’d still back Toyota, if only because of Gascoyne.

Blake
 
Blake
I don’t really think Toyota dropped the ball much in the middle of the season. I think it was more a case of, like Gascoyne said, McLaren making them look faster than they were at the start of the season. If you look at their gap to Renault, it was pretty much consistant throughout the year, but McLaren got thir car working and then it looked like Toyota was an extra second slower.

But overall I agree, Toyota is a much better prosepect for future titles. If Honda and Toyota had the same package in terms of budget, race exprerience etc. I’d still back Toyota, if only because of Gascoyne.

Blake
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Well, maybe I used the wrong words. Toyota did linger a bit mid season. Yes McLaren and Renault picked it up too...but still. Trulli was complaining about it and Ralphie whined a bit too. They also juggled the release of the B-spec car a bit. On and off again and finally on again. It was good to see the pick up in pace from it. I wish it was Trulli though and not Ralf....but eitherway it was great for the team.

I spent alot of time in the Toyota pits when I was at Indy on the pit walk day and have kept up some communication with one of the PR girls I met. They are a fine tuned bunch of people. Gascoyne restructured the place to no end. Even if he was to leave they would still be in very good shape, though having Mike on board if a huge plus.

Mark my words. Toyota WILL take a constructors title by 2010.

I just don't see Honda being able to pull it off. Solid organization makes a HUGE difference to a F1 team, Ferrari proved that. Toyota have Ferrari like stability. BAR/Honda's biggest mistake was dropping Richards.

Remember guys. The Toyota F1 team is basically the old Toyota WRC team, though maybe less now in 2005 that it was when it started....but those guys know how to win as an organization!

Honda has alot of catch-up to do. I'm not saying they won't but it will take a few more years.
 
Woah, Kensei has a F1 girlfriend AND a woman. Hahaha.
 
Omnis
Woah, Kensei has a F1 girlfriend AND a woman. Hahaha.
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Actually she is married, from Colonge but lives in London with her husband. Her and my wife actually struck up a conversation at first...but we gave her my email address.

If you ever saw a girl with long straight black hair, usually around Ralf, that is her. She is one of the team PR people. Married to a guy who works for Jordon too (well midland now).
 
Yeah. My dad's friend works for Bridgestone F1. Looks like he's gonna get more work next year with all the new clients.
 
i wasnt saying that toyota were going to totaly suck, just that that wont be winning it all soon. i dont like ralf as a driver. since they seemed to focus the b spec car on him it will probably be the same next year. jarno may end up like fisi. i'm not saying they cant do something, just not everything.

now honda, sadly they do seem to be lacking in some places. i think they can build better cars but they need to fix some other things. telling jensen to shut up and drive would be #1.


and another thing... sar/sars? not good...
 

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