PC components in a plasma tv.

[Smoke&Slide]

Hi, i have seen some companies make these only a few months ago, do you think it's a good idea to buy one ?.So it's basically a monitor, with interchangable parts and probably wired directly to the internet.Don't know what OS they use or components etc.I'd hazard a guess that it would be hard to get at the parts behind, because it's inches off a wall.

 

[TB]

No link to a product?

No specs on components?

No comments on your last thread?

 

[MHPALA]

You mean a all in one PC?

 

[Smoke&Slide]

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/12/05/piixl-jetpack-steam-machine-attaches-to-the-back-your-tv

Sorry i mean the product in this link, not an all in one system.At the moment i own a Panasonic TH-58PF11UK plasma tele and wondered if this would fit on the back of it.

 

[Anomaly]

I don't know about the product itself, but I would hesitate hooking any kind of PC/internet device or game system up to a plasma display. I'm sure people are going to follow my post, saying I'm full of crap, but burn-in is still very much an issue for plasma displays. Since plasma displays rely on phosphors, the possibility of burn-in is inherent of the technology and CANNOT be eliminated. Yes, the chances of it happening can be somewhat lessened and the damage kept to a minimum, but any static image left for extended periods of time will cause burn-in. I have a friend with an $8,000 plasma display. Before he purchased it, I warned him about burn-in with plasma TVs... He told me the salesman had told him that burn-in was a thing of the past and ensured him it no longer happens. Wouldn't you know, I went to his house about 5-months after he had the TV installed and sure enough, the side-bars from 4:3 programming were burned into his brand new display. I would be willing to bet good money that the majority of people who have game systems or PCs hooked up to plasma displays have some burn-in and simply do not know it.

 

[daan]

Don't know what OS they use

Perhaps if you read the link you provided you would get that info

The computer will be optimized for SteamOS, Valve's Linux-powered operating system, although is also capable of running Windows.

I'd hazard a guess that it would be hard to get at the parts behind, because it's inches off a wall.

Again, reading the link...

can even fit between a standard wall mount and the television set.

At the moment i own a Panasonic TH-58PF11UK plasma tele and wondered if this would fit on the back of it.

Again, with the reading the link...

Piixl's Jetpack is said to work with any 32-inch to 70-inch TV

Reading works, you know...

 

[Grayfox]

There is this as well

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php...d&gclid=CNvBvLOlsrwCFUUAvAodvm0ADA#googlebase

It is a VESA PC case which can mount on the back of a TV that is using its stand.

Your components, your choice of TV=HTPC win

 

[sesselpupser]

Looking at the site, the only thing that interests me about this is the tiny PSU. I was hoping Steam Machines might bring a new PSU standard - or at least ultra-low-profile PSUs - with them, and this is encouraging.

 

[TB]

I would be willing to bet good money that the majority of people who have game systems or PCs hooked up to plasma displays have some burn-in and simply do not know it.

Guess who isn't in your majority? My 4 year old 50" plasma has no health bars, speedometers, etc. burnt in and I've done nothing whatsoever to try to prevent it.

 

[Grayfox]

Burn in was more common with early models.
These days it is nearly gone.

 

[sesselpupser]

Guess who isn't in your majority? My 4 year old 50" plasma has no health bars, speedometers, etc. burnt in and I've done nothing whatsoever to try to prevent it.

As a counterpoint, we have a 48" Samsung plasma that has James Gandolfini's face burnt in after my dad left a Sopranos DVD on pause for an entire weekend. It is becoming less apparent as time goes on, however. A friend of mine left GT5 on pause for a while and wrecked his TV, though that is an old, old wooden ship of a plasma TV.

 

[Anomaly]

Guess who isn't in your majority? My 4 year old 50" plasma has no health bars, speedometers, etc. burnt in and I've done nothing whatsoever to try to prevent it.

All I said was it is impossible to eliminate the possibility. Just as brakes wear on a car, phosphors used in plasma displays wear & burn-in. It's what they do.

 

[LeMansAid]

Guess who isn't in your majority? My 4 year old 50" plasma has no health bars, speedometers, etc. burnt in and I've done nothing whatsoever to try to prevent it.

My Kuro is pretty much bulletproof, but a Panasonic I own, and a Panasonic I owned are/were quite subject to bad image retention and presumably burn in. The one I currently own (2011 era model) was bought second hand for a virtual pinball table build and came with a "pause" burnt in to it.

Cnet's Accidental burn in test:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57449881-221/samsung-plasma-wins-cnets-accidental-burn-in-test/

Panasonic's image quality has finally caught up and surpassed the final gen Pioneers (partly due to buying Pioneer patents) in some respects, but the burn issue seems to still be at least a little present.

 

[Anomaly]

My Kuro is pretty much bulletproof, but a Panasonic I own, and a Panasonic I owned are/were quite subject to bad image retention and presumably burn in. The one I currently own (2011 era model) was bought second hand for a virtual pinball table build and came with a "pause" burnt in to it.

Cnet's Accidental burn in test:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57449881-221/samsung-plasma-wins-cnets-accidental-burn-in-test/

Panasonic's image quality has finally caught up and surpassed the final gen Pioneers (partly due to buying Pioneer patents) in some respects, but the burn issue seems to still be at least a little present.

The possibility of burn-in will ALWAYS be present when it comes to plasma displays. As I said, it is an inherent characteristic of the phosphors that are a part of plasma technology. Just as humans age, phosphors wear. When part of that wear is from static images such as 4:3 side-bars, menus, non-moving video game instruments or other like content, the wear becomes visible because it is uneven across the entire screen & much more pronounced in those areas. I'm very happy that TB has no uneven phosphor wear. That being said, I have talked to many people who thought they had no burn-in, but once shown a plain blue/grey screen, many of them found out they were mistaken.

 

[LeMansAid]

Interesting though that when there were no competing technologies, there was no real concern about burn in. ie. When crt tvs were the only option. Plasma and crt are both phosphor based, and suffer from the same potential pitfalls.

It is complex, and some screens are far more resistant than others. Also, with Panasonic's rising black levels, and the way the panels evolve over time by design, the risk increases over time. Still, a sensible and aware user should have no issues.

 

[Anomaly]

Interesting though that when there were no competing technologies, there was no real concern about burn in. ie. When crt tvs were the only option. Plasma and crt are both phosphor based, and suffer from the same potential pitfalls.

It is complex, and some screens are far more resistant than others. Also, with Panasonic's rising black levels, and the way the panels evolve over time by design, the risk increases over time. Still, a sensible and aware user should have no issues.

Actually, burn-in was a big issue with rear projection CRT displays. Back in those days, video game consoles came with warnings not to connect them to RPTVs and the TVs themselves came with the same warnings. Also, if you look at old CRT computer monitors, the vast majority of them have the main components of their "desktops" burned into them. It was never thought of as much of a concern (with televisions) because there was no alternative. Besides video games (which came with warnings), there wasn't much that could potentially cause burn-in back then. Almost everything was either a native 4:3 or converted to it, so letter-boxing bars weren't an issue, nor was burn-in from PCs, as they all used VGA cables at that time (almost no TVs had VGA connections). The biggest problems were station logos and news tickers.

As for the black level thing, they don't need to get any blacker than they have already been for years. Both plasma & LCD sets are both capable of passing pluge. For anyone unfamiliar with the term, the NTSC video grayscale measures from black (0 IRE) to white (100 IRE), and considers the cutoff for true black to be 7.5 IRE. Any piece of equipment that can display or output a signal below 7.5 IRE is is said to pass pluge. Almost, if not all displays are capable of passing pluge. Anything beyond that is overkill. If your display actually displays areas that dark, the picture is not calibrated properly and you're probably losing a lot of detail in the dark areas of the picture. Anyway, my point is that today's displays (both plasma & LCD) are capable of displaying black levels as dark as the content that is produced to be shown on them.

 

[LeMansAid]

Ah yes, in Australia RPTV was not a common thing, so it wouldn't have been much of a factor here. I'm not arguing that crt, plasma, and even lcd cannot succumb to burn in. Just that smart choices in product and usage will make it a non-issue.

For black levels, surely it depends on what is available from the source. If zero black level (or close to) is available, then an image will benefit from a panel being able to display it (or close to). Though I was more talking about that as an example of the way that Panasonic panels evolve over time (for lifespan reasons) and that that evolution introduces greater risk of image retention and presumably burn in.

 

[Anomaly]

LCD sets are not susceptible to burn-in at all as they do not use phosphors. An article in Sound & Vision Magazine one put it like this (I'm paraphrasing)... You have a better chance of burning an image of your face onto your bathroom mirror as you do of burning an image onto an LCD display. There is simply nothing that can be burned into. That said, they can suffer from image persistence, which is different and usually not permanent. This happens when a static image is left on for extended periods (like with plasma burn-in) and the pixels in question do not "relax" after that image is removed. This can almost always be remedied by turning the TV off for a short while. It is extremely rare for image persistence to become permanent.

All that said, the best way to prevent burn-in with plasma displays is to properly adjust your picture settings (no torch mode), go easy on it for it's first 100 hours of use and to not leave static images on for ridiculously long periods of time. Quality plasma displays are about as susceptible to burn-in as RPCRTs used to be. My main point about black levels was that despite plasma's ability to display blacker blacks than their LCD counterparts... In the real world, the levels from both are overkill at this point, effectively making plasma's black level advantage moot.