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Hi all, I'm a regular GTSport player but I happen to have an old copy of PC1 and I tested yesterday, I'm addicted now.
I'm thinking in buying PC2 for PS4 but I just wanted to check your opinion about the online gaming. I just have the feeling that single player is so good that there is no much interest in online, perhaps? I'm looking for clean close online racing. Are there something like the FIA championship? something online worth competing for? Thanks
 
Hi,

I play online quite often. At start it's very hard to set uo clean lobbies or join them.
But if you friend some clean drivers you meet you can most defenitly have fun and cleab online races.

If you're willing to 'work' for it it's defenitly worth a buy. If not it will be a bit less interesting since you want to play online.

I do run lobbies quite often, I mostly run gte but we sometimes switch up to other things (yesterday we've driven vintage formula).

What do you want to drive and where are you from? I'm always happy to add you and invite you when I host. I'm belgian and mostly run lobbies at about 17:00 and 23:00 (GMT+1) during the week.
 
Public racing is a bit hit and miss but there are loads playing online but I think many are in private rooms for league racing.
 
It can be hard to find lobbies at a beginning unless you're already pretty quick. Single player is good but the standard of the AI varies a lot so it can be infuriating to find the sweet spot. I definitely recommend the game but be prepared to put some time into it
 
Kano Manel
well, that is very sad. If PC2 is better than PC1 I can't imagine how good would be playing it online.
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It's great, but it needs to be with clean races friends - it is relatively easy to build a list of good, clean driving friends if you join someone like @Mr Tree or check out the online racing section on GTPlanet for racing with the type of cars you like. If your thing is classic and historic cars, PC2 has a great track list which enables me to host series inspired by historical events - over the last year we have done 1960's F1, some of Senna's greatest races for Lotus and many others - just finishing reruns of the 1967 and 1970/1 world sports car championship seasons. Enjoy PC1 - hope to see you soon on PC2!

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Kano Manel
I'm thinking in buying PC2 for PS4...
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There is a free demo on the PS Store of PC2, why not download it & try it out first.
 
Note that the demo was published in Nov and there have a few patches since then. It's good to get a flavor but don't take it as an exact representation of the game *today*. I'm just guessing but probably a Complete Edition (all patches, all content) might be released end of 2018 for holiday season. Check when the GOTY edition was released for pc1 compared to the pc1 launch date of May 2015. Since both games are published and distributed by Bandai Namco my best guess is that they would follow similar post release schedule
 
Sick Cylinder
It's great, but it needs to be with clean races friends - it is relatively easy to build a list of good, clean driving friends if you join someone like @Mr Tree or check out the online racing section on GTPlanet for racing with the type of cars you like. If your thing is classic and historic cars, PC2 has a great track list which enables me to host series inspired by historical events - over the last year we have done 1960's F1, some of Senna's greatest races for Lotus and many others - just finishing reruns of the 1967 and 1970/1 world sports car championship seasons. Enjoy PC1 - hope to see you soon on PC2!

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This is your problem in a nutshell. Unless you were an organized league racer in GTS (or even more so in GT6), you are used to joining rooms racing all kinds of cars on all kinds of tracks at all kinds of the day and night. You could also create a room to do exactly what you felt like, and could run it to your required degree of cleanliness and race etiquette.

That kind of freeform pickup racing is dead in PC2/PS4. What few players there are playing pickup racing are very few in number, very loose in skill level, and almost entirely completely oblivious to any form of racing etiquette. They also play a tiny subset of PC2's enormous tracklist and carlist. You had better get used to liking GT3 on Monza and RBR! And forget being able to easily kick disruptive drivers.

But if you don't mind joining a league, don't mind somebody telling you when you can (and can't) race, what car you must use, what track you are going to race on, you can get some excellent racing on PC2/PS4. Look at this graphic. 2 races a week. When you played GTS, did you race more? I certainly know that, in GT6, I raced almost non-stop, every single night I had time, on a huge track selection with wildly varying cars. GTS, not so much. PD's Sport Mode broke the excellent clean racing scene and things became a lot more dirty, not my style. But still, despite Sport Mode scavenging the WRS and SNAIL scene (and games like PC2 and AC offering far better physics, FFB and car and track list), GTS's open lobby list is close to a couple of orders of magnitude more populated.

If you have a decent PC, maybe try playing PC2 on that... Their online is far more robust and well designed than the console version.
 
simsimsheree
This is your problem in a nutshell. Unless you were an organized league racer in GTS (or even more so in GT6), you are used to joining rooms racing all kinds of cars on all kinds of tracks at all kinds of the day and night. You could also create a room to do exactly what you felt like, and could run it to your required degree of cleanliness and race etiquette.

That kind of freeform pickup racing is dead in PC2/PS4. What few players there are playing pickup racing are very few in number, very loose in skill level, and almost entirely completely oblivious to any form of racing etiquette. They also play a tiny subset of PC2's enormous tracklist and carlist. You had better get used to liking GT3 on Monza and RBR! And forget being able to easily kick disruptive drivers.
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In all my online racing experience, I certainly am not used to joining rooms racing all kinds of cars on all kinds of tracks at any time of day. The majority of racing games I've played online have always been similar to how you've described PCARS2, all the way back to the birth of Xbox Live. That's why I prefer to mostly play by myself offline.

If you think your experience with GT6 is a common thing, unfortunately you're mistaken.
 
If you look, you will find them. If you couldn't find clean casual rooms in GT6, it is because you weren't trying. They were clearly labeled, had a pretty standardized rules set (clean pass or return position) and were up every night. If I could find them and you couldn't, guess who wasn't looking?
 
simsimsheree
If you look, you will find them. If you couldn't find clean casual rooms in GT6, it is because you weren't trying. They were clearly labeled, had a pretty standardized rules set (clean pass or return position) and were up every night. If I could find them and you couldn't, guess who wasn't looking?
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Do you not see the irony in this post?
 
simsimsheree
If you look, you will find them. If you couldn't find clean casual rooms in GT6, it is because you weren't trying. They were clearly labeled, had a pretty standardized rules set (clean pass or return position) and were up every night. If I could find them and you couldn't, guess who wasn't looking?
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What kind of BS is this post. If you race with (friends) which clearly you don't you race clean. I do it every 🤬 night. 16 people of the 80 or so I have on my friends list. So to say this doesn't happen is a crock of 🤬.
Move on dude. Grind an axe in the GT forum or buy Assetto.:cheers:
 
simsimsheree
If you look, you will find them. If you couldn't find clean casual rooms in GT6, it is because you weren't trying. They were clearly labeled, had a pretty standardized rules set (clean pass or return position) and were up every night. If I could find them and you couldn't, guess who wasn't looking?
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I'm not talking about GT6, which is one game I never played (I never had a PS3). I was talking about games all across the racing genre. Which is why I used phrases like "all my online racing experience", "The majority of racing games" and "all the way back to the birth of Xbox Live".

Even when someone gets a reply out of you, you don't read what they posted, only what you expect to read. :rolleyes:
 
Wolfe
I'm not talking about GT6, which is one game I never played (I never had a PS3). I was talking about games all across the racing genre. Which is why I used phrases like "all my online racing experience", "The majority of racing games" and "all the way back to the birth of Xbox Live".

Even when someone gets a reply out of you, you don't read what they posted, only what you expect to read. :rolleyes:
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I read "If you think your experience with GT6 is a common thing, unfortunately you're mistaken."

GT6/5, being two of the most played racing games ever online (far greater numbers than anything except Forza), my experience is a common thing. That you chose to play games with low participation or the same flaws PC2 has doesn't make your experience the majority.

killerjimbag
What kind of BS is this post. If you race with (friends) which clearly you don't you race clean. I do it every 🤬 night. 16 people of the 80 or so I have on my friends list. So to say this doesn't happen is a crock of 🤬.
Move on dude. Grind an axe in the GT forum or buy Assetto.:cheers:
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Talk about never reading anything... If I could play every night, I could join a league. I work odd hours, nights, weekends (I have pointed this out repeatedly), and getting a friends list together of clean drivers who are available at my odd inconsistent hours is a far harder task than putting together a list of drunks and stoners that want to race at night with no (to quote your earlier post) 'regulated, no BS racing' rules. I have no problem with you enjoying doing that. Just leave me out of it. I can join almost ANY room and find bad drivers bashing into each other. Yours is no different.

When you get around to sometimes doing a clean, sober, no contact room at maybe11am on a weekday, or odd times like that, feel free to contact me. Until then, enjoy YOUR way of doing things, and allow me to point out it's very hard to find MINE...

Oh, and back to not reading things... I guess my signature where I show I already have AC (and it suffers the exact same issues PC2 does with hosts unable to kick) was a bit hard to read after a six-pack or so, right? :cheers:
 
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simsimsheree
I read "If you think your experience with GT6 is a common thing, unfortunately you're mistaken."

GT6/5, being two of the most played racing games ever online (far greater numbers than anything except Forza), my experience is a common thing. That you chose to play games with low participation or the same flaws PC2 has doesn't make your experience the majority.



Talk about never reading anything... If I could play every night, I could join a league. I work odd hours, nights, weekends (I have pointed this out repeatedly), and getting a friends list together of clean drivers who are available at my odd inconsistent hours is a far harder task than putting together a list of drunks and stoners that want to race at night with no (to quote your earlier post) 'regulated, no BS racing' rules. I have no problem with you enjoying doing that. Just leave me out of it. I can join almost ANY room and find bad drivers bashing into each other. Yours is no different.

When you get around to sometimes doing a clean, sober, no contact room at maybe11am on a weekday, or odd times like that, feel free to contact me. Until then, enjoy YOUR way of doing things, and allow me to point out it's very hard to find MINE...

Oh, and back to not reading things... I guess my signature where I show I already have AC (and it suffers the exact same issues PC2 does with hosts unable to kick) was a bit hard to read after a six-pack or so, right? :cheers:
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Yes most of the world is not a 62 year old washed up musician pretending to be one. We work during the day at real jobs. Yes I get drunk and stoned every day then get up in the morning hungover and drive my truck around the busiest highway in North America. Please! You can't find friends, probably your fault. There is lots of people on in Europe at around 5 /6 EST. So that's not the point. Continue with your 1 man crusade. It is getting truly comical.
 
simsimsheree
But if you don't mind joining a league, don't mind somebody telling you when you can (and can't) race, what car you must use, what track you are going to race on,
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Are you trying to detract people from joining leagues? That's the understanding I get from your highlighting of your "telling" and "must" Most leagues I've had aren't single make but if you choose a car, you must commit to it. That makes sense. It ruins the purity of a championship by changing cars every week to suit a different track. Deciding when you can race is the main reason why organised racing is organised. You race at the same time each week. People who make it at that time can race. Those that can't, don't. Don't blame league organisers for not changing their hours every week so you can race.

Your odd and inconsistent hours is one of the reasons why you'd struggle to find people to race against consistently.

I've raced leagues on many games since early 2012 and it's been the most fun I've had. In fact, the PC2 IndyCar has produced some of the most exciting races I've had as well and I love driving it and I know that's a combination of the car and the organisation of the leagues I race in.

Looking at you on this forum, the drunks and stoners are probably far more enjoyable to be around than a constantly whining 62-year-old. (or any age for that matter) Maybe that's why you struggle.

simsimsheree
When you get around to sometimes doing a clean, sober, no contact room at maybe11am on a weekday,
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You do realise timezones are a thing, right? 11am in the US is mid-late afternoon in Europe. If I'm on PC2, that's probably the earliest I'd be on. The Australians are around midnight and I know from personal experience that there are people who play games after midnight.

simsimsheree
I have no problem with you enjoying doing that. Just leave me out of it.
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Amazing how you don't have the same attitude to other people's wishlists though.

simsimsheree
If you look, you will find them. If you couldn't find clean casual rooms in GT6, it is because you weren't trying. They were clearly labeled, had a pretty standardized rules set (clean pass or return position) and were up every night. If I could find them and you couldn't, guess who wasn't looking?
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Imagine if there was a tab that showed you the settings for a lobby in PC2. One which allowed you to see what the lobby host has set-up with the penalty settings, damage settings and everything else. That would be great, wouldn't it? /s
 
simsimsheree
I read "If you think your experience with GT6 is a common thing, unfortunately you're mistaken."
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Yes, anyone paying attention can see that's all you read.

simsimsheree
GT6/5, being two of the most played racing games ever online (far greater numbers than anything except Forza), my experience is a common thing. That you chose to play games with low participation or the same flaws PC2 has doesn't make your experience the majority.
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My observation is based on several games across multiple platforms over the course of about fifteen years. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your perception is apparently based on two games for one console from the last eight years. And with the name "Gran Turismo", which is good for selling millions and populating lobbies regardless of the game's actual merits, even as GT's popularity has waned from what Polyphony has done to turn away fans.

I think I see now why you've got such particular ideas about what PCARS needs to succeed and how helpful those things could be.
 
simsimsheree
But still, despite Sport Mode scavenging the WRS and SNAIL scen
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SNAIL is doing quite well, maybe you haven't been paying too much attention. 4 Divisions on Sunday spec and various other special events during the week on GT Sport. SNAIL also has PCars2 leagues that are excellent. There are numerous great leagues on both games honestly, it's the golden age of console racing sims. Find a league and have some fun.
 
jake2013guy
Imagine if there was a tab that showed you the settings for a lobby in PC2. One which allowed you to see what the lobby host has set-up with the penalty settings, damage settings and everything else. That would be great, wouldn't it? /s
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:odd:

Sorry I'm a bit slow this morning, must be this new sarcasm flavored coffee because that's the first tab I look at when contemplating race entry.
 
Whitey093
Find a league and have some fun.
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PC2 in a nutshell.

I'm not surprised Killerjimbag fails to recognize the irony of calling me a washed up musician when I am too busy to be able to participate in scheduled racing, but after enough herbal remedy, I'm not really expecting any logic from him, LOL

I still spend some time on GTS (a fair bit more, lately after the last update improved the Comforts and Sports tire behavior), and SNAIL seems still well represented in organized events, but I am missing the scene where SNAIL drivers ran a lot of open rooms for practice and fun. Not to mention, regularly showing up in other clean stock setting rooms. I may be wrong that the lack of them is Sport Mode scavenging the lobby system, perhaps there's simply fewer playing, but it seems a reasonable explanation, given how often I bump into old clean stock room players on Sport Mode lobbies.

I am not trying in any way to dissuade anyone who can join a league from joining one... In fact, I repeatedly say that that's about the ONLY way to get good clean racing reliably on PC2 (as the above quote indicates). I am merely pointing out that if you can't, certain bad lobby design decisions (that could be easily rectified, if you assume SMS can code for consoles as well as their competition) make it very difficult to organize spur of the moment clean racing.

I understand completely the perplexing feeling those that are perfectly happy with organized leagues have with my posts. It works for YOU. But please don't assume that, if it does, it works for everyone. I'm not suggesting SMS do anything whatsoever to spoil the league scene. All I'm asking is the addition of some quite minor, simple stuff to the lobby system to allow those that can't join a league to be able to organize spur of the moment racing. I don't understand the resistance. It's not like I'm saying 'Let's do away with leagues'. But resistance to the needed changes IS you guys saying 'Let's do away with casual racing'.

Every time I had some spare time, day or night, weekday or weekend, an hour to spare or all day to spare, I used to be able to log onto GT6's lobby system, easily find 'Clean or Kick' rooms, join a dedicated bunch of clean(ish!) drivers, and get in back to back to back uninterrupted racing, in a wide variety of well balanced cars with good stock tune behavior. If the room was a wide spread of abilities, we could set reverse grids to challenge the better drivers to come to the front cleanly. If close, we could do quick 'Fastest first' pre-race qualy. The pace of racing outstripped PC2's general rooms by at least a factor of ten. And the fun factor was immense.

That's all I'm looking for in PC2, and so few things changed could achieve it. GT's vastly greater player base seems to indicate that I am certainly not alone, in fact, probably in the majority. Most players that want this have thrown up their hands in despair and gone back to GTS. All I wish is that SMS realize the huge increase in sales and player base by tending to these minor details. And that those who have already managed to shoehorn into PC2's restrictive lobby system allow those of us with issues to be critical of it.
 
@simsimsheree

I hear you. I also miss the pick up and play approachability of gt6 and even more so the shuffle rooms from gt5. I dont understand why these games make the lobbies so complicated and difficult to set something up quickly on the fly whenever you have some available time. I feel like it must be purposeful to force people into their ill conceived official races like sport mode. Sport mode is garbage. Just a slicker version of the gt6 quick races that were also garbage. You get stuck with random morons who abuse the penalty system and you over and over. Since the clean or kick rooms seem to have dried up and pcars lobby system (to me) is horrendous, i make the time to join organized leagues with people who are looking for the same thing as me. I have to negotiate with the wife from time to time to make sure i can participate but for now it's worth it.
 

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