Penalties for passing ghosted cars!?

[AdamA998]

Did a Gr.3 race started in last place. Tried using the 458 Gr.3, it's a difficult car to drive fast and I wasn't worried about winning or getting in higher positions. Right off the bat, player goes wide then spins himself out blocking the road I hit into him and get 10 second penalty. Okay fine, I accepted it and kept driving my way. Penalty was down to 4 seconds then cars in front of me crashed and went off the track ghosted, yellow flag announcement came up and I did nothing besides go about my way, got an SR drop and another 4 seconds to the penalty. Then same thing happened again and got 12 second penalty total time. Got rid of that penalty. And yet another 10 second penalty after two players crashed and went off the track to the right, I was no where near them and just passed them after they crashed. What just happened? I am not allowed to pass people when yellow flag is up even though they crashed each other off or simply just hit the brakes late and slid off the track!? Is this a new rule?

 

[Shottah072]

Havent had a penalty caused by yellow flags yet but have read other replies stating the same issue.

Could you post video footage of the incidents ? Maybe with enough footage we can figure out if there is a reason for the penalty's or that it is still buggy.

 

[phl0w]

While the idea is good, the new Yellow Flag system isn't really working under current parameters. More often than not, the game fails to identify who has crashed, I had the same happen twice to me in yesterday's FIA Nations Cup (Cayman Gr.4 on Dragons Tail). I got a penalty, and negative SR after I passed battling cars who crashed/spun out after the last corner into home straight. A few laps later another one when the car right in front of me spun in the fast bend after home straight (no idea how you spin there but I guess he felt pressured, cut the curbs and lifted the throttle or something). He ghosted, and the yellow flag came up. I was trailing like 0.5secs at 225kph, thus had no possibility whatsoever not to overtake him. I lifted the throttle as I always do when there's an accident in front of me, and coasted by. What's more, he was not even on the track, I should've been allowed to just pass without consequences. But no, penalty, and negative SR.
At this point, I don't even care about my SR rating anymore because you get destruction derbys in any SR, and reaching S is way too easy for even the most hazardous drivers. I do care about my overall position though, and this "local" yellow flag system penalises those who happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. In both situations I saw a comfortable gap reduced by ~3sec because the cars behind me could continue their pace.

I don't really have a solution other than to go back to the "old" yellow/green system that acted as a mere information that there was an incident, and leave it like that. Is anyone SR B-E still? Maybe with the more sensitive ghosting there yellow actually works? I think in S/A ghosting often occurs too late, and maybe the system lacks because the game fails to flag a car as "can be overtaken" in a timely manner.

 

[ASH32]

It's a bug somewhere, usually if two or more cars are involved, it's like the game only classifies one of them as causing the yellow and if you pass the other, even when it's off track, you'll get at least a 5 second penalty.

There is also an issue when the game auto resets them to track, pass them when this happens and that is another penalty.

 

[danthespam]

I’ve had it several times now. I think the system fails to recognise 1 of the crashing cars and penalises you for overtaking it. That’s my theory anyway... incredibly frustrating when you’re just being careful and driving clean.

 

[Adam Duffield]

I had this yesterday and was very surprised that I didn't get a penalty, seems very intermittent as to whether it applys it or not! Hopefully PD will sort it out in their next update

 

[AdamA998]

Havent had a penalty caused by yellow flags yet but have read other replies stating the same issue.

Could you post video footage of the incidents ? Maybe with enough footage we can figure out if there is a reason for the penalty's or that it is still buggy.

Working on uploading the video now, you will see the instances where I passed people who crashed each other and got a penalty. Unless I'm getting added penalty time for not serving the penalty instantly(in the beginning which I will show once the video is uploaded). But, other ones make no sense as to why I got a penalty, you'll all be able to see what I'm talking about.

 

[ghostrider135]

Well I just had a race ruined because some "IDIOT WHO CAN'T DRIVE" ahead of me went off the track and ghosted, I spent the next 8 laps having to lift and coast though no fault of my own, I'm beyond annoyed now.

 

[AdamA998]

Havent had a penalty caused by yellow flags yet but have read other replies stating the same issue.

Could you post video footage of the incidents ? Maybe with enough footage we can figure out if there is a reason for the penalty's or that it is still buggy.

The video should be up in about 10 minutes. First penalty was understandable, guy spun out and I crashed him, don't think I could have avoided him, but nevertheless sloppy driving from me on that race. Was my first and only race that night. I continue driving thinking the penalty will be shaven off slowly, but you will see two guys go wide or crash and I get a 4 second penalty added and an SR drop. This happens twice and that is really where I saw no reason to get a penalty. There is another penalty later where I took the inside which I guess is kind of fair but I think I had the inside on that. And then the guy in front suddenly slowed down, hit him from behind and got another 4 second penalty. After that it was all good.

While the idea is good, the new Yellow Flag system isn't really working under current parameters. More often than not, the game fails to identify who has crashed, I had the same happen twice to me in yesterday's FIA Nations Cup (Cayman Gr.4 on Dragons Tail). I got a penalty, and negative SR after I passed battling cars who crashed/spun out after the last corner into home straight. A few laps later another one when the car right in front of me spun in the fast bend after home straight (no idea how you spin there but I guess he felt pressured, cut the curbs and lifted the throttle or something). He ghosted, and the yellow flag came up. I was trailing like 0.5secs at 225kph, thus had no possibility whatsoever not to overtake him. I lifted the throttle as I always do when there's an accident in front of me, and coasted by. What's more, he was not even on the track, I should've been allowed to just pass without consequences. But no, penalty, and negative SR.
At this point, I don't even care about my SR rating anymore because you get destruction derbys in any SR, and reaching S is way too easy for even the most hazardous drivers. I do care about my overall position though, and this "local" yellow flag system penalises those who happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. In both situations I saw a comfortable gap reduced by ~3sec because the cars behind me could continue their pace.

I don't really have a solution other than to go back to the "old" yellow/green system that acted as a mere information that there was an incident, and leave it like that. Is anyone SR B-E still? Maybe with the more sensitive ghosting there yellow actually works? I think in S/A ghosting often occurs too late, and maybe the system lacks because the game fails to flag a car as "can be overtaken" in a timely manner.

I don't think this was necessary at all to be honest, PD is overthinking things and polishing too much. Remove the Yellow Flag system and keep everything as is now. Just keep updating sport mode and working on DLC content. That is an really odd reason for me and you to get a penalty for. I'm not slowing down for people who crashed each other off ....

It's a bug somewhere, usually if two or more cars are involved, it's like the game only classifies one of them as causing the yellow and if you pass the other, even when it's off track, you'll get at least a 5 second penalty.

There is also an issue when the game auto resets them to track, pass them when this happens and that is another penalty.

Is it a bug or a new system being implemented? I think PD should remove it, this doesn't need to be Iracing.

I’ve had it several times now. I think the system fails to recognise 1 of the crashing cars and penalises you for overtaking it. That’s my theory anyway... incredibly frustrating when you’re just being careful and driving clean.

That would make sense, in the end it didn't affect my race as I still finished without an penalty but it affected my SR rating.

I had this yesterday and was very surprised that I didn't get a penalty, seems very intermittent as to whether it applys it or not! Hopefully PD will sort it out in their next update

Yep, they definitely should remove it, unless people prefer that type of thing. I don't think anyone was demanding a yellow flag system, lol.

Well I just had a race ruined because some "IDIOT WHO CAN'T DRIVE" ahead of me went off the track and ghosted, I spent the next 8 laps having to lift and coast though no fault of my own, I'm beyond annoyed now.

Glad I'm not the only one.

 

[stevenhiggster]

Glad I'm not the only one.

I've had it now too, posted my own thread about mine instead of hijacking yours lol.
I think the yellow flag system needs to remain, but by heck does it need a lot of refinement!
Honestly I had a brilliant race today ruined on the last bloody turn of the last lap!

 

[AdamA998]

Alright here is video:


1.) Acceptable First penalty at 0:43 , I kind of intended going wide first then so him go wide took inside and he came back on inside, possibly could have been avoided so it is my fault here but was decision making error. Not my sharpest race. Got a ten second penalty here which is understandable.

2.) Controversial Second penalty at 1:43(4 seconds added plus SR Drop), Porsche slides off track and ghosts, Toyota fishtails and corrects himself slowing down, I make no contact with him but get a penalty.

3.) Controversial Third penalty at 2:20, two cars crash in front of me and both ghost, I go right in between both ghosted cars and get another 4 second penalty and SR drop, lolwut?


At 2:45 I stop to serve the penalty thinking the game is penalizing me more for not serving it. At 4:00 I take inside and Mustang moves at last second we barely make contact, get 4 second penalty than Porsche slows down in front me, hit him and get another 4 second penalty. Mustang driver also crashed into back of him. After that it was all good. What do you think?

I think @danthespam is right, at both controversial penalties the system does not recognize who crashed who. In the third penalty you can actually also see a yellow corvette ghosted too.

 

[stevenhiggster]

Alright here is video:


1.) Acceptable First penalty at 0:43 , I kind of intended going wide first then so him go wide took inside and he came back on inside, possibly could have been avoided so it is my fault here but was decision making error. Not my sharpest race. Got a ten second penalty here which is understandable.

2.) Controversial Second penalty at 1:43(4 seconds added plus SR Drop), Porsche slides off track and ghosts, Toyota fishtails and corrects himself slowing down, I make no contact with him but get a penalty.

3.) Controversial Third penalty at 2:20, two cars crash in front of me and both ghost, I go right in between both ghosted cars and get another 4 second penalty and SR drop, lolwut?


At 2:45 I stop to serve the penalty thinking the game is penalizing me more for not serving it. At 4:00 I take inside and Mustang moves at last second we barely make contact, get 4 second penalty than Porsche slows down in front me, hit him and get another 4 second penalty. Mustang driver also crashed into back of him. After that it was all good. What do you think?

I think @danthespam is right, at both controversial penalties the system does not recognize who crashed who. In the third penalty you can actually also see a yellow corvette ghosted too.

Tbh only your second one makes no sense. The first as you said sucks but it's fair enough.
The third one you overtook the other guy in the Toyota who wasn't involved in the turn one crash, the guy that went wide right while you ducked between the two crashers. In real life you would have just bee forced to give that position back though not receive a race wrecking penalty.

The second one though you were already passing the guy when the yellow flag appeared so no chance you could have avoided that.
Definitely the system needs to be heavily refined, or sadly just removed until they have a solution as at this rate its creating far more problems than it is solving.

 

[AdamA998]

Tbh only your second one makes no sense. The first as you said sucks but it's fair enough.
The third one you overtook the other guy who wasn't involved in the turn one crash, the guy that went wide right while you ducked between the two crashers. In real life you would have just bee forced to give that position back though not receive a race wrecking penalty.

The second one though you were already passing the guy when the yellow flag appeared so no chance you could have avoided that.
Definitely the system needs to be heavily refined, or sadly just removed until they have a solution as at this rate its creating far more problems than it is solving.

What did I do wrong on the third one? Was I supposed to stay behind the Toyota? I thought he went wide so now I'm assuming he slowed down because of that Yellow flag and I was supposed to remain behind him? The second one I can't see what I'm supposed to do there. Anyway PD should've informed of these rules beforehand, I think that is too much for the casual racers that play this game. I'm not casual but I don't want GT to become Iracing and if I understand these flag rules I can follow them but prefer we don't have to deal with this.

 

[Shottah072]

Alright here is video:


1.) Acceptable First penalty at 0:43 , I kind of intended going wide first then so him go wide took inside and he came back on inside, possibly could have been avoided so it is my fault here but was decision making error. Not my sharpest race. Got a ten second penalty here which is understandable.

2.) Controversial Second penalty at 1:43(4 seconds added plus SR Drop), Porsche slides off track and ghosts, Toyota fishtails and corrects himself slowing down, I make no contact with him but get a penalty.

3.) Controversial Third penalty at 2:20, two cars crash in front of me and both ghost, I go right in between both ghosted cars and get another 4 second penalty and SR drop, lolwut?


At 2:45 I stop to serve the penalty thinking the game is penalizing me more for not serving it. At 4:00 I take inside and Mustang moves at last second we barely make contact, get 4 second penalty than Porsche slows down in front me, hit him and get another 4 second penalty. Mustang driver also crashed into back of him. After that it was all good. What do you think?

I think @danthespam is right, at both controversial penalties the system does not recognize who crashed who. In the third penalty you can actually also see a yellow corvette ghosted too.

Thanks for sharing.

The first one i think you got not because of yellow but just because of the contact. The second one you overtook someone under yellow who was not part of the accident, so seems right to me. The third you also overtook someone under yellow who was not involved in the accident, so seems right as well. Both times the car in font was a bit out of shape but they were still on track and were not involved in the accident or the cause of the yellow flag so you were not allowed to overtake them.

I agree that the third one was a bit unlucky cause it did look as if he would not make the corner himself.

 

[AdamA998]

Thanks for sharing.

The first one i think you got not because of yellow but just because of the contact. The second one you overtook someone under yellow who was not part of the accident, so seems right to me. The third you also overtook someone under yellow who was not involved in the accident, so seems right as well. Both times the car in font was a bit out of shape but they were still on track and were not involved in the accident or the cause of the yellow flag so you were not allowed to overtake them.

I agree that the third one was a bit unlucky cause it did look as if he would not make the corner himself.

The first one I wasn't arguing about, wanted to include in it just incase it turned out I was being penalized for not serving the penalty. I had no idea during the race that it was due to passing. The second one, however, I got penalized for passing the Toyota who crashed before the no passing warning came up, so I don't know about that one. Third one is understandable now that I know what these rules are meant for.

 

[Shottah072]

The first one I wasn't arguing about, wanted to include in it just incase it turned out I was being penalized for not serving the penalty. I had no idea during the race that it was due to passing. The second one, however, I got penalized for passing the Toyota who crashed before the no passing warning came up, so I don't know about that one. Third one is understandable now that I know what these rules are meant for.

Yeah looking closer at the second one i agree it was unlucky as well cause the yellow flag only came up for very short instance and you were indeed already passing at that point.

The flag system needs work. Or they should just leave it out completely if they cant figure it out.

 

[cleanLX]

in theory, you cannot set fast sector (personal or outright) when a yellow flag is out either... wonder if they will implement penalties for that?
1st, obvious as all have stated.
2nd, cypher1 goes wide to miss the spinning and ghosted cars (as stated)... probably a really good move in real life, probably a good driver in real life, unfortunately, cannot pass him... sucks because you can blow right through ghosted cars in the game... only way for that to become realistic is not not ghost cars and let the pile ups reign... otherwise we are going to have a bunch of people reacting the way they would in real life, vs people playing a game... and, enh... winners and loosers no matter which way you look at it. So now in a close race... those that are of that type... have another way to "game" you... last lap, lots of heat on, yellow flag, slam the brakes, your heat now has a 10 second penalty to serve... Now that sucks.
3rd, technically the game judged right, but, man you got screwed... I don't like it.

 

[danthespam]

It’s just one of the things they’ve decided to police that’s nearly impossible to police unless you can make human-like judgement calls. Say there’s a crash in front of you and the yellow flag suggests you shouldn’t overtake car A but car B is avoiding the crash. You don’t have time to react to not pass car B, you instantly get a penalty. Where in real life a driver would let the other car back through or a steward would look at it, that doesn’t happen in gtsport... often it’s not really anyone’s fault but different parties get penalised unfairly. The same goes for certain types of contact. I’d rather they have these penalties in game but they certainly need work, and they are never ever going to be right 100% of the time.

 

[Johnnypenso]

It's ridiculous to throw a yellow flag and ghost cars at the same time. The whole point of ghosting is so that players behind can cleanly make it through cars that are deemed so out of control they must be ghosted to help prevent carnage. Do one or the other but not both.

 

[covan2306]

Just had to drop from 5th to 9th to get rid of a flag penalty in the manufacturers. I think in some cases the timing of flag versus car reset is off. He went off, yellow up but I have clear track, as I pass his sabdbox position his car resets and counts him as in 5th still, therefore i technically pass him, regardless of the fact that it was his flag and he is still ghosted when reset.
It's getting old.

 

[OdeFinn]

Alright here is video:


1.) Acceptable First penalty at 0:43 , I kind of intended going wide first then so him go wide took inside and he came back on inside, possibly could have been avoided so it is my fault here but was decision making error. Not my sharpest race. Got a ten second penalty here which is understandable.

2.) Controversial Second penalty at 1:43(4 seconds added plus SR Drop), Porsche slides off track and ghosts, Toyota fishtails and corrects himself slowing down, I make no contact with him but get a penalty.

3.) Controversial Third penalty at 2:20, two cars crash in front of me and both ghost, I go right in between both ghosted cars and get another 4 second penalty and SR drop, lolwut?


At 2:45 I stop to serve the penalty thinking the game is penalizing me more for not serving it. At 4:00 I take inside and Mustang moves at last second we barely make contact, get 4 second penalty than Porsche slows down in front me, hit him and get another 4 second penalty. Mustang driver also crashed into back of him. After that it was all good. What do you think?

I think @danthespam is right, at both controversial penalties the system does not recognize who crashed who. In the third penalty you can actually also see a yellow corvette ghosted too.

LOL

Bad luck day.. Nearly royal flush, you missed one penalty, better luck on next penalty hunt.
And I thought at I have sometimes treated badly by penalties..

 

[AdamA998]

LOL

Bad luck day.. Nearly royal flush, you missed one penalty, better luck on next penalty hunt.
And I thought at I have sometimes treated badly by penalties..

Lol penalties on top of an unforgiving car ... I was fuming to say the least ....

 

[m8h3r]

I just got a 10 second penalty for overtaking a 3 car spin/crash on an oval. I don't know where PD got the information that a DS3 can stop within a split second from about 80mph.

 

[OdeFinn]

I just got a 10 second penalty for overtaking a 3 car spin/crash on an oval. I don't know where PD got the information that a DS3 can stop within a split second from about 80mph.

I have cleared several yellow flag (crash) overtakes just by lifting throttle when yellow flag pops on screen, but no way at you can do it everytime, it comes too sudden. PD needs to put small "human reaction" delay to that flag, similar delay which will come before real-life Marshall reacts and drops flag.

 

[FazerT]

"...cars in front of me crashed and went off the track ghosted, yellow flag announcement came up and I did nothing besides go about my way, got an SR drop and another 4 seconds to the penalty."

I've had the same thing a few times since the 1.6 patch. Seems like if the ghost car is in the act of re-appearing or has just appeared back on track the yellows haven't cancelled and you get penalised as if you overtook under yellow. Definitely new bug since the patch

 

[cleanLX]

It's ridiculous to throw a yellow flag and ghost cars at the same time. The whole point of ghosting is so that players behind can cleanly make it through cars that are deemed so out of control they must be ghosted to help prevent carnage. Do one or the other but not both.

Yep, and, if ghosting goes away, and the yellow flag stays, get rid of "hand of the almighty" placing cars back on track.
Matter of fact, hand of the almighty needs to go either way.
Additionally, if a car goes off track, and the yellow comes out... there is not a racing event on this planet that penalizes cars that pass an off track car... you know why, because that car is no longer in the race, he's off track and the entire field can blow by. Sure, you have to lift so as to not set a fast sector... otherwise race on.

 

[ASH32]

Got another five second penalty for passing under yellows the car that went off and caused the yellows when it got auto-reset to track, still ghosted, right where I was. There is 100% an issue with the auto resting causing unavoidable and unfair penalties.

 

[stevenhiggster]

Yep, and, if ghosting goes away, and the yellow flag stays, get rid of "hand of the almighty" placing cars back on track.
Matter of fact, hand of the almighty needs to go either way.
Additionally, if a car goes off track, and the yellow comes out... there is not a racing event on this planet that penalizes cars that pass an off track car... you know why, because that car is no longer in the race, he's off track and the entire field can blow by. Sure, you have to lift so as to not set a fast sector... otherwise race on.

I hate that 'hand of the all mighty', even when it's me that has spun off. You're in the middle of straightening yourself up, and then suddenly your teleported back to the middle of the track, only now you have your foot to the floor and your steering wheel at 90° to the track! Pain in the butt.