Please help me with decreasing radius corners

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Really struggling to master these, feels like I'm losing a lot of time. I mean the corners that start wide but tighten up, so you need to decrease speed as you're turning. Suzuka, apricot hill and Madrid have really nasty ones. Should I be dragging the brake all the way through the cnr, or bottoming out the pedal initially then try to coast through without either pedal depressed? Is it a good idea to maybe use the brake twice in a corner, with a brief coast mid cnr? I just don't know
 
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Really struggling to master these, feels like I'm losing a lot of time. I mean the corners that start wide but tighten up, so you need to decrease speed as you're turning. Suzuka, apricot hill and Madrid have really nasty ones. Should I be dragging the brake all the way through the cnr, or bottoming out the pedal initially then try to coast through without either pedal depressed? Is it a good idea to maybe use the brake twice in a corner, with a brief coast mid cnr? I just don't know
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I guess you're using automatic transmission?
Can't help you.
If however you're using manual - just change down.
 
I have the same problem on willow springs. That last turn is simply impossible. I end up breaking two er three times through it. It just feels endless and with no warning, the tight last turn comes and smacks you in the face out of nowhere.

As for op, what turn at suzuka are you struggeling with? I am guessing the spoon? The long left hander before the back straight.
 
Though I'm not a great driver, here's what I believe to be the best:

The key is having two breaking points.

1. First breaking as you approach the entrance.

2. Turn in. You're still in the wide section of the corner and should stay in the middle of the track. DO NOT get too close to the inside curb. In some long corners, such as the 1st corner at Suzuka, you should even have a room to reaccelerate a bit before getting to the second breaking point. Keep your rev as high as you can but not too high up to the fuel cut.

3. Second breaking as you approach the tighter section. A trail breaking will help you direct your nose toward the exit more easily. While you turn in here, you'll pass the apex of your recording line. As soon as you start acceleration, you should hit the clipping point.
 
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There is no technically wrong way to run tightening corners, as long as you're not losing time. Suzuka is an excellent place to practice, since you get two each lap, the turn 1 --> turn 2 complex, and spoon, the tightening left hander before the back straight. Both are run using a double-apex approach. Come in wide, apex the first part of the corner, then let the car wash out to the outside, scrubbing speed before the second apex. Make sure to downshift before the 2nd apex so you can get a good exit, and flow back to the outside on the exit. If you do it right, it should be one smooth motion. It takes some practice but once you get it right, it'll shave a lot of time off your lap. Ideally, you want to run them as if they were one long sweeping curve rather than two. The same principle works at Big Willow. Start wide, clip the apex, wash out, apex on exit.
 
Wheelman is completely right, take it as one big sweeper with 2-apexes. You'll find a line and a flow after a few tries.

Suzuka, corners 1+2, here's my generic tactic. Do it as smooth as possible. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
-Fly down the straight-5th gear, hanging way left on the track.
-Brake straight, pop into 4th as you turn in FAST (a bit faster than you should be going, squeal those wheels), coasting or lightly trail braking as necessary.
-Coast past the apex. (apex proper, not early or late)
-Straighten the wheel a little as you're looking at your outside clipping point between the two apexes.
-This is the time to brake and downshift, or just downshift, depending on your car and how much speed was scrubbed by squealing around the first apex. The trick is to straighten the wheel a bit, instead of braking and downshifting while turning and upsetting the vehicle, causing a slide or spin. Much more important as you get to higher power or rear-heavy cars.
-The brake check and downshift should give you some extra weight on the front to allow a nice turn in towards the next apex, you'll also be in the right gear.
-Roll on the throttle as soon as you can see turn 2's apex, balance the throttle to stay on the line (apex a little late, we're exiting with speed), exit like a pro.
 
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I have the same problem on willow springs. That last turn is simply impossible. I end up breaking two er three times through it. It just feels endless and with no warning, the tight last turn comes and smacks you in the face out of nowhere.

As for op, what turn at suzuka are you struggeling with? I am guessing the spoon? The long left hander before the back straight.
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I was thinking of turn 1 suzuka but it's there in spoon as well. You're right willow springs has a killer
 
KERSengage
gt driving force wheel shifting manually. So brake before corner then just downshift during corner without touching the pedals?
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If the situation (car/maneuver) allows hard braking then brake and downshift simultaneously....like in real life. If however you're in a beefed up lotus which only responds to trail-braking, then shift down as you release the gas and apply the brakes a bit. Using the gears to restrict the maximum energy you can carry into a corner is crucial in this game, as you know since you use manual transmission, but how on earth people can drive in automatic, using only the brakes to control speed, beats me.
Ideally, if the corner is a 2nd gear job, then you want to hit 2nd at the apex. Things like the S-bends at Suzuka or these cool right handers on the Brands Hatch track are nice if you can get the right gear ratio and then just work the gas pedal in and out of the bends. More than ever before I'm experiencing that a smooth style is better than fast when getting those really good lap times in - and these new tracks seem to support this.
 
dude2106
I have the same problem on willow springs. That last turn is simply impossible. I end up breaking two er three times through it. It just feels endless and with no warning, the tight last turn comes and smacks you in the face out of nowhere.

As for op, what turn at suzuka are you struggeling with? I am guessing the spoon? The long left hander before the back straight.
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At Willow you need to clip the kerb on the right. The track dips in there and will keep you from getting thrown off to the left. For turn in, there are marks on the left but they are extremely hard to see.
 
You need to get the rear end to break out from you, that way you can position the front end more easily. For the last corner at Willow, enter flat out. Start to tuck to the inside of the track, half aiming for the apex, then apply the brakes as you are turning in. This should unsettle the car to the point where you can clip the apex and accelerate out of the corner. The same applies to most decreasing radius turns, it's just about balancing the throttle and trail-braking to the point where you can flick the front wheels onto the apex and apply full throttle.
 
I left foot brake in these situations. This way you can scrub speed without killing all the cars momentum. A touch of the brake will shift the weight forward giving the front tires more grip and allow a tighter turn. Pretty similar to what hsv010 is describing but with more control since losing the back end on some cars (MRs!) is the kiss of death.
 
Yeah, I forgot to add that about MR cars, if you apply full brakes you'll most likely end up backwards.
 
Thanks very much, some great info here and sorry I've been away for a bit. This has become my main goal in GT6 now, you can make up so much time in these corners if they're done right.
I think the problem for me is, the blue driving line for these decreasing radius corners is nowhere near where you need to put the car. That whole thing about the MR cars skipping out under brakes, that's a bit advanced for me but I'm going to try what's been recommended about double apexing and trail braking. Great advice.

To clarify, do you think I should be clipping a ripple strip for both apexes? The second one (the '2nd gear' bit people have described) I agree, but at the moment my feeling is more for the middle of the track for the first (wide) part
 
For the Spoon corner at Suzuka, I typically want to be going around 80 mph before I begin to turn, trail-brake into the curb on the left, follow through to the curb on your right side, brake to about 60-70 mph, gas it to the left-side curb and aim for the outside curb.

For the first corner, you want to be going around 110 mph before you turn the wheel, trail-brake into the curb on your right, go wide and kiss the curbing on your left side, brake to about 60-70 mph depending on the car, accelerate and kiss the curbing on your right while powering through to the curbing on your left.

I've done 800+ laps at Suzuka in GT6 so far. I could drive on it all day.
 
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