PP too low on Chapparal 2J?

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I was in a open lobby yesterday at Daytona Road and the host had the PP level first at 600 then at 650, running 2 lap races. I don't know if I was in a room full of rubbish drivers or something, but my 2J absolutely destroyed....I don't mean to brag but the car's performance was a bit too good in relativity to the others....The closest finish was with me in the lead by 10 seconds (I got a 10 sec. time penalty because of a slide under braking that caused me to miss the last chicane). So is the PP way too low on this car?
 
No, for exactly the reason you got a 10 second penalty, and it only has 3 gears

If it stuck like the x1 then that be a different story, you probably need to find beeter drivers to race against, especially if that was daytona
 
So because of bad brakes and a 3 speed it has a low PP? Maybe it was the other drivers, but it was so quick that I think it should be rated higher despite the transmission and brakes!
 
On road courses it has a good chance that it might not stick if you brake late and many people overestimate it and do that a lot, but i do completely understand your point though and it's a good one, but it's something totally different from any other car in the game, so it has it's disadvantages along with advantages

I've used it for drifting (not joking) and it does a mediocre job, doesn't suck but it's not the best, I've gotten more than 8k on tsukuba w/ it
 
If you can drive it worth a damn, it is far closer in speed to 700PP cars. Even if you can't drive it, you will probably destroy anything at the same PP level. Especially since the High RPM turbo adds over a hundred horsepower but barely changes the PP level.


It really should be closer to 675, but I'm honestly not complaining. I get a lot of use out of it online.
 
The 2J was way ahead of its time, and has all the flaws a car designed in '69 and built in '70 would have, like bad grabby brakes made worse by the short wheelbase. The original car is a 3-speed auto, the huge torque from the phat Reynolds-Chevy allows the huge ratios that the car runs. It amazes me the GT5 version sticks to the road so well without the snowmobile engine running, lol.
 
Rockspeny
It amazes me the GT5 version sticks to the road so well without the snowmobile engine running, lol.
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It isn't???? And yeah, around 800 HP I believe in a car weighing in at 821kg seems like it should be rated much higher...
 
Hell no it isn't, that snowmobile engine is THE loudest and most awful sound ever in motorsport, it is skull-splitting, and not just loud the way a Mazda 787 is. Thank Kazanuri he didn't put that in the game and just kept the phat sound of the big V8.
Check my youtube channel if you want to hear it.
 
It has the PP-lvl because it has almost no Downforce. But It drives like it has enormouse Downforce
=> PD gave it a Physics hole ?? Or implemented the Ground-Effect a bit ??

It looses against the modern LMP´s but can keep up very good.
Also it´s the fastest Car in Reverse xD
 
Seemslike it, yet. Don't have the 2J in GT5 yet, but played a lot with the settings in GT4 and it does take the suction into effect for sure. I have a thing for Group7 racers, wish there were more in GT5, like Lolas, McLarens, and the Chap 2E.
 
This car is especially good on low speed corners where downforce wouldn't really be a factor but of course the fans still work. For example it's mega round the loews hairpin at Monaco.
 
Rockspeny
Hell no it isn't, that snowmobile engine is THE loudest and most awful sound ever in motorsport, it is skull-splitting, and not just loud the way a Mazda 787 is. Thank Kazanuri he didn't put that in the game and just kept the phat sound of the big V8.
Check my youtube channel if you want to hear it.
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Saw one at Monterey Historics, no fooling about the sound. I was disappointed that it can't be heard because of authenticity but I didn't imagine it wasn't acting on the car's performance.
 
Isn't this the car with the second, ground-effects engine? The PP calculation probably doesn't take that into account. It acts like a massive downforce boost, particularly at low speeds where the aerodynamics of other cars have a lessened effect.

This car was banned from the SCCA racing series it was built for, and should also be banned from similar series online. The car is a novelty.
 
KingSakery
It has the PP-lvl because it has almost no Downforce. But It drives like it has enormouse Downforce
=> PD gave it a Physics hole ?? Or implemented the Ground-Effect a bit ??

It looses against the modern LMP´s but can keep up very good.
Also it´s the fastest Car in Reverse xD
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It's a 'sucker' car, it is basically an oversized vacuum cleaner... It has unaccounted for df because of it!
 
I have personally tuned the h3ll out of the 2J before the spec2.0 update and had it dialed in for just about any course. I had won many of races in it against other skilled drivers here on GTP and against other 2J's. The car's grip is ridiculous. And to the guy who was saying something about it not having downforce, very wrong. You think that because you can't adjust it. The reason being because the vacuum is non-adjustable. It's free aero!! I have also killed with the 2J against LMP's driven by very great drivers as well. people complained sooooo much about me killing in it, that I'm seriously not allowed to race any of my friends in it because its devastating what it can do. You can really put the pedal down throughout an apex and coming out of the corners. Only downside to this car is it's slow acceleration at startup. But thats all shadowed by its ridiculous handling capabilities.

So to answer the question in the OP, I would agree it should be graded higher in the PP scale. Probably doesn't calculate right due to the free aero.
 
kenkwilinski
You can really put the pedal down throughout an apex and coming out of the corners.
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That's another thing: You can get on the power far easier than you can in any of the 700PP cars, and because of the short wheelbase you can do it while still in the turn itself most of the time. And so long as you have the tranny set up properly for the course, you don't really lose out because the torque curve is so fat.
 
Toronado
That's another thing: You can get on the power far easier than you can in any of the 700PP cars, and because of the short wheelbase you can do it while still in the turn itself most of the time. And so long as you have the tranny set up properly for the course, you don't really lose out because the torque curve is so fat.
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Exactly 👍 :)
 
For a car that has a fan, it sure as heck bounces around. but i beat a Toyota Minolta and McLaren F1 GTR at la sarth last night.

And while a 3-speed gearbox may make you think it's bad, i have tested it and mine hits the EXACT same speed as a modified Mazda 787B while coming down the straight to the first corner at suzuka
 
It's banned from our race car series because it is much faster than cars of similar PP ratings. The extreme downforce isn't taken into account and gives it a huge advantage
 
king4951
Funny thing to do is take the 2J into a drag room and win in reverse :) quality LOL's
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I'll have to try that now lol, even against those veyron tuners?
 
I know that it´s the first Ground-Effect Car, and that it was banned because of McLaren.
(Mark IV andP4 where banned too by the way)

I just said it performs in an other pp-range and dominates them.
Almost the same goes for the 2D. It´s also a superb handling Car.
And because of the 3 Gears you can just slam the Throttle out of the Corners and you won´t get any wheelspin.
Standing start performance is weak but it doesn´t matter if your 2-4 seconds per lap faster than the rest of the field.

@Muso: I did 320+kph in reverse with it in GT4, don´t know if it´s still possible but I think it will hit even more :D
 
GTP_FastM3
It's banned from our race car series because it is much faster than cars of similar PP ratings. The extreme downforce isn't taken into account and gives it a huge advantage
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Yea 👍 and that I kicked all their butts with the 2J a few seasons ago and made them cry :sly:
 
DDAAVVIIDD82
Saw one at Monterey Historics, no fooling about the sound. I was disappointed that it can't be heard because of authenticity but I didn't imagine it wasn't acting on the car's performance.
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That is THE 2J, Jim Hall and his team only built one, based on ideas that he had and the Chevy skunk works had. Jackie Stewart was the driver of the car in the Can-Am series in 1970, he admitted he was too scared to find the limits of cornering, because the limits of cornering were so far beyond any racecar he had ever driven. If the car hadn't been outlawed by including the fan under the "moveable aero device" banner newly introduced by the FIA after all the wing-to-hub strut failures in F1, then who knows what the car would have developed into over the seasons, especially with Jim's analytical mind on it and Chevy's bucks behind the project.
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You have to wait until 1:58 for the snowmobile motor, but given I am next to a 3litrle flat twelve and the Chap is 15 metres away, it gives a good idea about the racket that little engine makes, just look at everyone's reaction.:yuck:
 
I like how everyone was milling around in the Ferrari video, and when the Chappy started up everyone just stopped what they were doing and went "what the hell?"

:lol:
 

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