Preliminary complete car list and conversions list

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pez2k

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Just like the previous games, the Forza Horizon demo appears to include the full database from the final release of the game. From this, I've created a list of all cars and all engine, drivetrain and aspiration conversions.

http://www.pez2k.net/horizon/

There's no guarantee that they haven't stripped a few things out of the demo list, and no guarantee that all of these cars are on disc and not DLC. However, it was 100% accurate for the last game with launchday DLC, so assume the worst.

Highlights:

- 153 drivable cars, 18 traffic-only cars.
- 16 of those 153 are Unicorn cars, ranging from the Honda CRX to the Aston Martin DBR1.
- No drivetrain conversions.
- No drivable Buicks, Chryslers, Oldsmobiles, Mercurys, Acuras, Healeys and so on.
- Roughly 10 cars that aren't street-legal.

Feel free to spread this around other boards, and drop me a link to them if you don't mind.
 
theres gotta be more cars than this, they said close to 200. 153 isnt close to that. and a nsx-r engine swap for a civic? how can that fit in the engine bay? that doesnt really work.

they probably wanted to avoid what happened last time so they didnt put the whole list...
 
The previous games have had plenty of swaps that simply wouldn't fit in reality, like a Audi V10 in an S4 or RS4.

As for the number of cars, I hope you're right, but nobody has spotted a single car in trailers, previews and reviews that isn't on this list, which makes me suspect it's complete.
 
well they did say close to 200... and it doesnt really make sense to have the zonda r, but not the regular zonda. or the f1 gt, but not the normal one. or even the mc12 corsa, and not the regular...
 
Where has unicorns been confirmed. I havnt seen that anywhere.

dritch96
theres gotta be more cars than this, they said close to 200. 153 isnt close to that. and a nsx-r engine swap for a civic? how can that fit in the engine bay? that doesnt really work.

they probably wanted to avoid what happened last time so they didnt put the whole list...
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If people can fit accord V6's in a small EG then I dont see why an NSX wouldnt fit.
 
ImaRobot
If people can fit accord V6's in a small EG then I dont see why an NSX wouldnt fit.
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+1

Here's a V10 in an even smaller car, a E30 bmw. A V10 S4 should be a cake walk in comparison given how long the nose is

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I'm Motarded
A V10 S4 should be a cake walk in comparison given how long the nose is
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An E30 3-series is designed to take an extremely long straight-six engine. The B5 S4 on the other hand requires metal trimming and a very slim radiator just to squeeze in a much shorter V8. You can't just knock the firewall through either, Audi transmissions sit over the front axle so the entire engine has to be ahead of that point - you'd have to rebuild and lengthen all of the nose to fit a V10 into an S4, or build a RWD tubeframe with a bespoke transmission and the dashboard moved significantly backwards.

Audis are much smaller under the bonnet than you'd think, the V8-powered C5 S6 even had entirely different panels under there to make room for the engine, the factory V8 won't even fit into a V6 car.
 
pez2k
Audi transmissions sit over the front axle so the entire engine has to be ahead of that point -
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Not sure about that, the Audi transmissions look like any other Front-engine AWD transmissions I've seen. If it were over the front axle that would mean it sat under the sump of the V8, no car has used that layout since the Austin mini.

Edit, I see what you mean now. But I still say you can fit a V10 in there, just move the radiator to the trunk.
 
I'm Motarded
Not sure about that, the Audi transmissions look like any other Front-engine AWD transmissions I've seen. If it were over the front axle that would mean it sat under the sump of the V8, no car has used that layout since the Austin mini.
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It's quite hard to find pictures to demonstrate, but here's an example. The front driveshafts are behind the clutch and flywheel, forcing the whole engine to be ahead of the front axle line. Also note this image, and how far forward the rear edge of the cylinder heads is. The resulting weight distribution is what makes Audis classically understeery.

The majority of longitudinal front-engine AWD layouts put the front differential inside, alongside or under the engine's sump, for example the BMW xDrive system, Nissan's ATTESSA, and many other systems such as in the Ford Sierra XR4x4 and Chevrolet Astro.

Here's an example of how it's usually done, the sump from a AWD Nissan Skyline complete with front diff, compared to the RWD equivalent.
 
ImaRobot
Having owned an FG2 though, I can safely say that nothing bigger then a K20 will fit directly in it lol. I would assume the same can be said about an EP3
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Really? Seems you and the Audi guys just don't try hard enough. 👎

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You know you've made a real effort when your engine pokes through the hood :D

pez2k
It's quite hard to find pictures to demonstrate, but here's an example.
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Yeah, I saw that after a quick google education
 
ImaRobot
If people can fit accord V6's in a small EG then I dont see why an NSX wouldnt fit.
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point is people dont usually do this swap. it seems like forza's pushing it a little bit here if this is true. plus, it wasnt a swap on forza 4, why ould it be in forza horizon? i dont know, seems a little out of place, thats all
 
dritch96
point is people dont usually do this swap. it seems like forza's pushing it a little bit here if this is true. plus, it wasnt a swap on forza 4, why ould it be in forza horizon? i dont know, seems a little out of place, thats all
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Not at all. Most people dont modify there Ferrari's to be over 1000+hp but it has happened, and that was in Forza 4. Its not out of place at all, the only thing that would be a factor is the sheer price of an NSX-R swap and thats it. Just because it was or wasnt in FM4 doesnt invalidate it.

Most people that own Honda's do not have the Money to throw around like people that own Ferrari's.
 
I'm Motarded
Really? Seems you and the Audi guys just don't try hard enough. 👎

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You know you've made a real effort when your engine pokes through the hood :D
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lololol I have read up on that little car before. Pretty damn crazy.

I gotta say though, I have never seen a Polo's Engine bay.. but the Civic FG2's engine bay is one of the most cramped I've seen. That thing looks like it can barely hold the stock engine that is in there.
 
Alright, enough about the real life stuff... who over at Playground thought 153 was "close to 200"?!

Let's see, just a quick glance over the FM4 list of what's missing:

  • Uh, every other Alfa
  • Audi wagons, RS3, S5/RS5
  • BMW Z3 M Coupe, Z4 M Coupe (neither?!), E46 M3 (which I was sure was shown on the FB album), every other M5...
  • The oldies: Hudson Hornet, Caddy Eldorado, Bel-Air...
  • The original Viper ACR. The new car's on the cover, and yet we can't have the good old second-gen coupe?
  • I love both the F40 and F50 racers, but question their inclusion (along with the FXX, and 599XX), especially when there's no 360's, or the actual road-going 599's.
  • The Fiesta's a unicorn? I realize it was an unlikely candidate, but who didn't like the idea of the Country Squire bounding along the backroads?
  • No DC2 from Honda, the worst generation Civic Type-R...
  • Hummer made more sense here than FM4.
  • No love for Veloster?
  • The XJ220 needs to be here.
  • Jeep. Seriously, the Raptor's available, who could've possibly thought the Wrangler didn't deserve inclusion?
  • Mazda, Mazda, Mazda. A concept Miata as a unicorn, only one RX-7 (and not even the ultimate FD variety), and the Mazdaspeed RX-8 when the better-modelled R3 was available. I'll be sad to not have the 2 as a sleeper weapon, and I'm surprised neither of the 3's made it, as they're popular sport compacts.
  • We want the original F1, please.
  • Mercedes doesn't have the 190E to fight the E30 with.
  • What, no Morgan? No Mosler?
  • Sure, show me an R33's taillight in the opening video, but don't offer it in the game. Or an R32. Or any Silvia bar the last. Or the 300ZX, since it's still got a dedicated following, and has a ton of performance potential.
  • Two Pontiacs.
  • Renault is cut?!
  • Why are we still giving space to the S5S Raptor? It's a one-off concept car stand queen.
  • How dare they leave out the classic Cobra.

And... breathe...
 
Thanks for the list, but what about the barn finds? I'm pretty sure that some of the cars that are listed as unicorns are actually barn finds.

And, yeah, 153 is a bit of a let down. Especially since some of the DLC stuff is already included :indiff:
 
I don't know what to believe anymore, just gonna wait for an official list, or the game to just release and find out for myself. And if most of this is true, and a lot of the cars that we feel should so obviously have been included in this type of game are not present, whoever decided to cut them out at T10 and Playground, should be beaten with metal rods. OR, they did it on purpose just to sell them as DLC later on, I'll go with cutting them on purpose!
 
Unfortunately Badned, who has some sort of inside line on development and usually leaks this sort of thing, has confirmed that this is the real list. I can only assume that those two cars weren't finished, or are planned as DLC.
 
Cutting cars from the final release that have been seen running is not going to go down well. Doesn't seem like a T10 thing to do.
 

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