Problems-complaints with GT 7

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Touloumpa49

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GT 7 is the first game of this fabulous series that causes me great frustration! On various tracks (Sarte,Monza etc.) with various supercars (Pagani,Lamborghini,Ferrari etc.) and lesser cars, the top speed is reduced by 40-50 km/h and the roadholding from exemplary becomes a continuous gallop of a raging bull! I' ve won first place in these events many times against AI opponents,but for an unknown and obscure reason obviously related to software updating, now this is impossible although I haven't altered the settings. I guess the creators don't want us to win credits... Another complaint is that the rewards for completing driving marathons are nearly always ridiculous! I would like to hear from other gamers,if they have the first of these complaints. Thanks!
 
Touloumpa49
On various tracks (Sarte,Monza etc.) with various supercars (Pagani,Lamborghini,Ferrari etc.) and lesser cars, the top speed is reduced by 40-50 km/h and the roadholding from exemplary becomes a continuous gallop of a raging bull
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Can you provide video of these things, using the PS4/5's inbuilt capture?

There's no situation where a car's possible top speed should differ from track to track.
 
Famine
Can you provide video of these things, using the PS4/5's inbuilt capture?

There's no situation where a car's possible top speed should differ from track to track.
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The top speed doesn't differ from track to track.It is reduced in all tracks.
 
Touloumpa49
The top speed doesn't differ from track to track.It is reduced in all tracks.
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O... kay. You said "on various tracks" and gave examples of such tracks, then "with various supercars" and gave examples of such cars. That means that for some cars on some tracks top speed is reduced - which shouldn't happen.

If you're now saying it's reduced for all cars on all tracks... I have no idea what you mean. How can top speed be reduced on all tracks? What are you comparing it to for it to be reduced?

It really would be easier if you could provide some images or video of the issue(s) you're talking about; I don't know what "a continuous gallop of a raging bull" means either.
 
Famine
Can you provide video of these things, using the PS4/5's inbuilt capture?

There's no situation where a car's possible top speed should differ from track to track.
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I think you will find altitude actually reduces HP therefore top speed will decrease. So a car will be faster at say Daytona than at Mexico City.

Just trying to help ;-)
 
TT92
I think you will find altitude actually reduces HP therefore top speed will decrease. So a car will be faster at say Daytona than at Mexico City.
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Handily, neither reduction in air density due to altitude nor Mexico City are part of Gran Turismo 7.


And that also only really applies to combustion engines, although EVs have different issues with altitude.
 
TT92
I think you will find altitude actually reduces HP therefore top speed will decrease. So a car will be faster at say Daytona than at Mexico City.

Just trying to help ;-)
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Current F1 cars have a higher top speed in Mexico than they do at Monza.
 
Touloumpa49
GT 7 is the first game of this fabulous series that causes me great frustration! On various tracks (Sarte,Monza etc.) with various supercars (Pagani,Lamborghini,Ferrari etc.) and lesser cars, the top speed is reduced by 40-50 km/h and the roadholding from exemplary becomes a continuous gallop of a raging bull! I' ve won first place in these events many times against AI opponents,but for an unknown and obscure reason obviously related to software updating, now this is impossible although I haven't altered the settings. I guess the creators don't want us to win credits... Another complaint is that the rewards for completing driving marathons are nearly always ridiculous! I would like to hear from other gamers,if they have the first of these complaints. Thanks!
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Have you changed your oil?
 
daan
Current F1 cars have a higher top speed in Mexico than they do at Monza.
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Do you think that the main straight in Mexico being longer than Monza and because of the altitude and therefore less air resistance so less drag would have anything to do with it? Also you have cited a very unique and specialised hybrid race car to dispute what I said.

Edit: Almost forgot, the F1 cars are also forced induction so still run virtually the same power as at sea level.

May I ask if you are disputing that HP, in an ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) drops with altitude?
 
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TT92
Do you think that the main straight in Mexico being longer than Monza
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What's the difference in the length of the straights at Mexico and Daytona? Why do I need to point out the difference when you didn't? Anyway, the difference is only 80 metres.

TT92
therefore less air resistance so less drag would have anything to do with it?
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Which is my point that you're only binging up now.

TT92
Also you have cited a very unique and specialised hybrid race car to dispute what I said.
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When we're mentioning Daytona, Mexico and Monza what do you expect? Citroen 2CV races?

TT92
Edit: Almost forgot, the F1 cars are also forced induction so still run virtually the same power as at sea level.
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Nope, they still lose power. https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/en/news/2021/2021-mexican-grand-prix/what-impact-high-altitude-f1-car/
TT92
May I ask if you are disputing that HP, in an ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) drops with altitude?
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Your statement was that "top speed will decrease." I'm pointing out that statement is not always true. If a car has aerodynamic downforce then top speed will not always decrease.
 
daan
Your statement was that "top speed will decrease.
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My statement was "I think you will find altitude actually reduces HP therefore top speed"

I would prefer not to engage in an argument with a moderator and my days of arguing for entertainment on forums are long passed. I was talking in generalities about what Famine said where he couldn't think of one case etc, etc.

If it helps any, you win, I'm wrong, I apologise and now I am off to bed :-)

BTW here is some light reading from Schopenhauer for anyone interested

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Being_Right

#25 ;-)
 
daan
Current F1 cars have a higher top speed in Mexico than they do at Monza.
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Indeed, and precisely because of the air resistance, since Mexico is at a much higher altitude, there's less air resistance, thus less drag.
This concept however is not present in GT7.

Also, between the 2017-2021 cars, the records of top speed were both from Vettel in Monza and Mexico, clocked at 365kph.
In Monza it was in 2019 when Vettel had a triple slipstream and DRS.
In Mexico it was in 2018 when Vettel had a single slipstream and DRS.
So from here alone there's evidence that the top speeds in Mexico are higher, given the 2019 car had less drag and arguably the same or more engine power than the 2018 one, and it had the slipstream of 3 cars ahead of it while the 2018 only had Ricciardo's Red Bull giving him the tow and they still clocked the same top speed.

The record of the 2014-2016 era cars belongs to Bottas, also in Mexico, clocked at 372kph. There was also another 370kph benchmark that, also Bottas, hit in Baku. Both in the 2016 season. And again, despite the Baku straight being far longer than the Mexico one.

The V10 era has its top speed clocked at also 372kph in Monza, Montoya in 2004. However, these cars never had the chance to race in Baku or Mexico... This is quite ridiculous given they had grooved tyres (affects corner exit speeds, thus, momentum to get a higher speed on the following straight) and had no DRS. Speeds of 380 kph would've been possible in Mexico with those cars, depending on how much wing they would put on them.
 
TT92
I was talking in generalities about what Famine said where he couldn't think of one case etc, etc.
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In Gran Turismo 7.

Since we're in the Gran Turismo 7 forum, and the user's issue is with Gran Turismo 7, and we're trying to help the user with Gran Turismo 7, it seemed that specifically mentioning Gran Turismo 7 wasn't necessary - and bringing up situations that don't occur in Gran Turismo 7 (with insufficient qualification) wouldn't help anyone out at all.
 
Touloumpa49
GT 7 is the first game of this fabulous series that causes me great frustration! On various tracks (Sarte,Monza etc.) with various supercars (Pagani,Lamborghini,Ferrari etc.) and lesser cars, the top speed is reduced by 40-50 km/h and the roadholding from exemplary becomes a continuous gallop of a raging bull! I' ve won first place in these events many times against AI opponents,but for an unknown and obscure reason obviously related to software updating, now this is impossible although I haven't altered the settings. I guess the creators don't want us to win credits... Another complaint is that the rewards for completing driving marathons are nearly always ridiculous! I would like to hear from other gamers,if they have the first of these complaints. Thanks!
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See if you changed the oil on those cars.
They changed Bop of many cars probably afecting top end speed, but arent they tunnable!?
 
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TT92
I would prefer not to engage in an argument with a moderator
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At no point was I moderating. I am allowed to take part in discussions along with everyone else.
 
Entertaining thread!
Learned about F1 top speeds at height and how drag/aero are the main reasons.
An OP who appears to be new to GT7 or at least the forums - standards complaints about roulette and the ego-driven confidence that (whatever the perceived problem is) is "obviously related to software". Asking for a circlejerk at the end was chef's kiss
 
Famine
In Gran Turismo 7.

Since we're in the Gran Turismo 7 forum, and the user's issue is with Gran Turismo 7, and we're trying to help the user with Gran Turismo 7, it seemed that specifically mentioning Gran Turismo 7 wasn't necessary - and bringing up situations that don't occur in Gran Turismo 7 (with insufficient qualification) wouldn't help anyone out at all.
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So, not F1 then..

😉
 
Hey,
Two suggestions ...
1st - your car needs oil changes and you have lost power
2nd - the tire model was changed in update 1.19 - and some tires lost traction, which will affect acceleration on tracks and so the achievable Vmax on the track with the same car. But this shouldn't be 50 or so ... Maybe 10 ;) additionally it probably lowers your control of the car on the outgoing of the turns - and you start later with acceleration.
3rd - some of the cars have been altered in their performance (not max Power) - this may also affect the acceleration and so the Vmax, you are able to see in an given track.

Maybe all three are true for you - and it just sums up.

BR K
 

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