Pushrod Supercar...I love it.

[Onikaze]

C6 Z06 Road Test.

C6 Z06 Corvette

Motor Trend ran 11.5@127.1mph........ 0-60 in 3.7sec.... 1.02g on skidpad.

Car and Driver ran 11.7@125mph........0-60 in 3.6sec........98g on skidpad.
0-100 in 7.9 sec..... 0-150 in about 18 sec.

Yeah, it really is that good.

Freaking awesome.

 

[Ev0]

Great article, thanks for the link!

Also, read the thread. Apparently the new Z06 doesn't meet the NHRA's safety standards!

 

[Dave A]

Now we need lap times.

There will be someone somewhere thinking, a modded SRT-4 could whoop this, and any Ferrar. Yeah right.

Can't say I liked all the article, it didn't seem to know much about European sportscars, ye made sweeping generalisations of them that are frankly, untrue. The bits where he didn't pretend to know what European sporstcars were wasn't bad though.

 

[Jacks]

I never used to like corvettes until i saw the C6, this one looks even better, and if it would cost $69,995 (£38,575)and be RHD when/if it comes over here then i'd be a lot more excited, but over here a standard C6 cost's the equivilant of $81,000 so i can't see this being much less than an SRT-10 ($144,000), and for that kind of money you could get something a lot better e.g TVR Sagaris, or a Noble M400 to name a couple.

I also have to agree with live4speed on the article, generalising european supercars into "overpriced, underperforming snobs" is completley untrue.

 

[Dave A]

It's not costing £38k over here, times that by 2, thats TWO. The normal C6 cabriolet costs £55k already. I shouldn't really be bothered about the comments on prices between the Vette and European cars, sionce in the US the Vette is a bargain but to class European sportscars as snobs isn't what I'd call good journalism, it's generalising and over here we could call the Vette a snobs car since it's cheaper to make yet will cost as much a a 911 or AMV8 and nearly as much as a Typhon over here. But it's not a snobs car, in the US it's a cheap great performing sportscar that can keep up with some good competition.

 

[Jacks]

It's not costing £38k over here, times that by 2, thats TWO. .

if it would cost $69,995 (£38,575)and be RHD when/if it comes over here then i'd be a lot more excited

Yeah i know, i said in my previous post it would probably cost not much less than the SRT-10 over here which is £77,500 i think, compare that to a sagaris at £49,995. and yeah i know it's a great car over there i'm not doubting that, £38,000 for 500hp is very cheap

 

[Dave A]

38k for this car is fantastic, 75k is average. I thik we see eye to eye on this matter.

 

[skip0110]

Also, read the thread. Apparently the new Z06 doesn't meet the NHRA's safety standards!

It's not just the rollcage. Dragstrips have never been very nice to Vette drivers since every axle shaft (including the halfshafts on the IRS) requires a driveshaft loop. It has one on ehte driveshaft, but loops on the halfshafts are hard to fabricate. Some techs will let this slide though.

 

[JNasty4G63]

There will be someone somewhere thinking, a modded SRT-4 could whoop this, and any Ferrar. Yeah right.

I can take it, BARELY!!! Thats the scarry part about this car. Having a supercar that will run numbers like that is one thing, because not many people will have them. But, with a car as attainable as this one, there will be a good number of them around. Which increases the possibility that someone who has more money than ability will be driving it. Amazing car, for sure. But, I'm mildly scared about who we'll see driving them.

Apparently the new Z06 doesn't meet the NHRA's safety standards!

Been there, done that. That was a milestone day for my Talon back a few years ago. I got booted when I slipped an 11.8 in once. It was bound to happen, so I wasn't shocked. But, it kind of sucked that I had to get some things done.

Hilg

 

[TsLeng]

I like it too. Mainly because of:

It has a huge engine which can be modded easily for more power.

Its relatively cheap

Its fast.

 

[skip0110]

Which increases the possibility that someone who has more money than ability will be driving it. Amazing car, for sure. But, I'm mildly scared about who we'll see driving them.

Hopefully GM configured the traction control so that full-on it will basically permit no wheelspin at all. Your average driver will probably leave that on.

Been there, done that. That was a milestone day for my Talon back a few years ago. I got booted when I slipped an 11.8 in once. It was bound to happen, so I wasn't shocked. But, it kind of sucked that I had to get some things done.

Hilg

Nice cage! Did you have to chop up the doorpanels to get it to fit?

 

[JNasty4G63]

Nice cage! Did you have to chop up the doorpanels to get it to fit?

Nope. The only things that needed trimming were the rear hatch cover, and the rear side panels. The front intrusion bars go down between the door and seat to the floor just beneath the dash, but don't contact the dash or doors. Only mildy hard to get into, but thats the sacrifice you make.

Hilg

 

[Dave A]

I can take it, BARELY!!!

I meant like overall performance, round a circuit as well, not just drag. Theres a few fwd cars thatr can do insane drag times but still limited ability round a circuit. Btw thas a rather nice Talon, do you know what kind of power that has?

 

[Onikaze]

I saw 115 Seconds timed for the Nurburgring F1 track.

That's pretty good by my standards.


Yeah, there is a lot of Anti-Euro bias in the Article, but I wasn't really paying attention to that, just the bits about the stupid amounts of grip, the freight train power delivery, and the handling, which while unfortunately requires a lot of faith, will be there when you need it.

I don't think this is the Vette that the average guy will get and drive day to day...it's apparently rather hard to live with on a day to day basis, this is kind of like the Elise, those who absolutely love it, and trackday it now and then will want it day one...

The rest will buy it, and either garage it, and track it now and then, or resell it when they realise it is hard on the spine.

Either way, frickin awesome.

Come on PD...put this in GT5.

 

[JNasty4G63]

I meant like overall performance, round a circuit as well, not just drag. Theres a few fwd cars thatr can do insane drag times but still limited ability round a circuit. Btw thas a rather nice Talon, do you know what kind of power that has?

That was a joke, obviously. I'm sure I could eek out a win on the strip. But all out performance the Z06 would obviously be little bits better in just about every category. My car was actually built with auto-x in mind though, so it can find its way around a track very well. I do that more than anything with it these days. I haven't taken it to the strip in quite some time.

Yes, it makes a load of power. But, the turbo is fairly small for its output, so the lag is very minimal. It was dyno'd when tuning the EMS at 560hp or so. That was on pump 93, with the AWD decoupled to run in FWD. So, now driving around back in AWD, its probably more closer to 525 or so to the wheels. Plenty of oomph.

Hilg

 

[Dave A]

Sounds good, Eagle Talon's arn't that heavy either are they?

 

[niky]

Nice DSM,... errh, Eagle, Nasty... impressed!

I wonder who's going to be first to punt that Vette around the ring?

 

[Dave A]

I think it's already gone around a few times, no times have been published yet but expect a few. They're pretty intent on showing that it has handling to mach European sportscars as well as the power, and it does.

 

[Woolie Wool]

It's not costing £38k over here, times that by 2, thats TWO. The normal C6 cabriolet costs £55k already. I shouldn't really be bothered about the comments on prices between the Vette and European cars, sionce in the US the Vette is a bargain but to class European sportscars as snobs isn't what I'd call good journalism, it's generalising and over here we could call the Vette a snobs car since it's cheaper to make yet will cost as much a a 911 or AMV8 and nearly as much as a Typhon over here. But it's not a snobs car, in the US it's a cheap great performing sportscar that can keep up with some good competition.

You mean you have to pay $100,000 for a Corvette convertible?!?! Holy crap on a cracker!

Here are some approximate prices of some American performance cars in America, converted to pounds:

Dodge SRT-4 (220hp, 0-60 in 5.6): 11,500 pounds
Chrysler 300C (340hp, 0-60 in 5.7): 16,000 pounds
Ford Mustang (300hp, 0-60 in 5.4): 16,000 pounds
Pontiac GTO 6.0 (400hp, 0-60 in 4.8, like the Vauxhall Monaro CVS with a larger, more powerful engine): 19,000 pounds
Chevrolet Corvette convertible (400hp, 0-60 in 4.4): 30,000 pounds
Cadillac XLR-V roadster (440hp, not road tested yet): 65,000 pounds

And some British cars:
Lotus Elise 111R: 29,000 pounds
Jaguar S-Type R: 33,000 pounds
Rolls-Royce Phantom: 175,000 pounds

 

[Dave A]

You mean you have to pay $100,000 for a Corvette convertible?!?! Holy crap on a cracker!

Here are some approximate prices of some American performance cars in America, converted to pounds:

Dodge SRT-4 (220hp, 0-60 in 5.6): 11,500 pounds
Chrysler 300C (340hp, 0-60 in 5.7): 16,000 pounds
Ford Mustang (300hp, 0-60 in 5.4): 16,000 pounds
Pontiac GTO 6.0 (400hp, 0-60 in 4.8, like the Vauxhall Monaro CVS with a larger, more powerful engine): 19,000 pounds
Chevrolet Corvette convertible (400hp, 0-60 in 4.4): 30,000 pounds
Cadillac XLR-V roadster (440hp, not road tested yet): 65,000 pounds

And some British cars:
Lotus Elise 111R: 29,000 pounds
Jaguar S-Type R: 33,000 pounds
Rolls-Royce Phantom: 175,000 pounds

Yep, we get taxed to hell. What we play for thoes American cars on sale here is as follows....
Ford Mustang, £24,000 (we couldn't get a VW Golf GTi for what you pay in the US), not a bad price for here really, probably the best bargain US sportscar sold in the UK. Priced similar to an Impreza.
Chrysler 300C, around £30-35,000, I'll take a BMW or Merc for less thanks.
The Pontiac GTO is sold as the Vauxhall Monaro over here and thats £36,995 for the current model, not a bad price but it's an Australian car being sold as a British one, not been done before so can't compare it to any other price trend.
The XLR-V hasn't got a price yet over here, it will be sold but I can't find any etimates that I'd want to use.
The Vette convertible is as I said, £550,000 thats a whole FIVE GRAND MORE than a Sagaris, and £15k more than a T350C or Tuscan Speed 6.
The SRT-4 isn't sold here, I can't even find any sign of any imports.
The Viper SRT-10 is £77,500, thats Typhon territory.
Theres not much else on sale here at the mo thats made in America.

BTW, are you a member of uglycars.co.uk?

 

[Woolie Wool]

A Chrysler for MORE than a Mercedes? That's lunacy! Does Britain have some kind of tax punishment on American cars that it doesn't have on German cars?

 

[PS]

I saw 115 Seconds timed for the Nurburgring F1 track.

That's pretty good by my standards.


Yeah, there is a lot of Anti-Euro bias in the Article, but I wasn't really paying attention to that, just the bits about the stupid amounts of grip, the freight train power delivery, and the handling, which while unfortunately requires a lot of faith, will be there when you need it.

I don't think this is the Vette that the average guy will get and drive day to day...it's apparently rather hard to live with on a day to day basis, this is kind of like the Elise, those who absolutely love it, and trackday it now and then will want it day one...

The rest will buy it, and either garage it, and track it now and then, or resell it when they realise it is hard on the spine.

Either way, frickin awesome.

Come on PD...put this in GT5.

Not to mention you feel like you're sitting in a $20,000 Honda Accord when you're inside the C6 Z06.

 

[skip0110]

Not to mention you feel like you're sitting in a $20,000 Honda Accord when you're inside the C6 Z06.

I don't think you're giving the Accord enough credit there. It's not comparable because it's way better

That said, the interior could be papier mache for all I care, with that engine

 

[Dave A]

A Chrysler for MORE than a Mercedes? That's lunacy! Does Britain have some kind of tax punishment on American cars that it doesn't have on German cars?

Not really, I mean European cars sell cheaper in European countries if it's a member of the EU. But Japanese cars don't sell for stupid ammounts barring the NSX and R34 GT-R when thoes were on sale. I think American cars are so high because they sell in very low volume over here, they ramp the price up to make the costs of importing up, if they sell high volume then they can make the costs back easier with a lower price.

Theres two ways to marke it, you can say, max profit per model but sell less which is what they're doing, or less profit per model and try to sell more. I think the American car companies arn't confident enough to predict mass sales of US cars in Europe yet due to their reputation in general deserved or not. If the current range of cars coming over like the C6 get a good reputation that could change, but it doesn't mean it will since tradition is a hard thing to break.

 

[Dave A]

I don't think you're giving the Accord enough credit there. It's not comparable because it's way better

That said, the interior could be papier mache for all I care, with that engine

For it's price in the US though, the fact it has a super crap interior is justifiable, but for £55k like it's priced over here for the base C6 it's not.

 

[Joey D]

Why does everyone knock the interior on the car? If you buy a Z06, you are buying it for the massive amounts of power and track ability. If you want a luxery Corvette you need to go buy an XLR.

You don't need an expensive interior on a car like that, and think about it many people who buy the car are going to race it...which means they will take things out of the interior. But I've driven a Z06 several times and I don't really have a problem with the interior. Sure it's not steller in anyways, but it's by no means bad.

 

[PS]

For some reason I just can't see many 55 year old guys racing their brand new $90,000 Corvette C6 Z06.

 

[Dave A]

Simple, because it is poor. As I said though, for it's price it's justifiable in the US. I wouldn't complain if I could buy a rhd Z06 for less than £50k. I'd normally say, it's not as nice inside as the TVR whatever, but the only TVR's in a similar performance range or faster are more expensive, the £40k ones are the 350-400Bhp models, but we'll get shafted on price again and it will cost £70k+, probably + in the UK. If I bought a Z06 I wouldn't race it, but I'm not the kind of person that would race any road car like this. If I wanted to do track days and races I'd take part in Super seven race or one of the Radical series. Thats just my preferences though, I can see some people racing these but not a large percentage of owners.

 

[Joey D]

Hmm funny I know 2 that race them...in fact one is 58 and the other is 64. Both in SCCA, both Z06's have full cages, fully stripped, and one is a C5 while the other is a C6. Granted they both work for General Motors, but they still do it.

There will be many people who will buy the car strictly for racing, in fact a good deal of them will be SCCA teams.

 

[Dave A]

Maybe, mind you it's a different market here in the UK, we don't race cars as much, we do track days but when it coes to stripping out 50k+ cars and racing them in amature events you don't see many people doing it so you wouldn't here but in the US you seem to get more of that I think.