Quantity over Quality???

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So, I keep hearing GM plug over their "new" chassis that they can use over their divisions and then they say "we've come out with 27 cars in..." whatever they keep saying. So am I suppose to be impressed with GM?? I suppose the there are some bright spots in GM like Lutz in charge and some of the cars like the Equinox but so what GM is coming out with more cars and "stepping it up", it will still always be the same GM crap. What do you think?
 
GM clearly isn't putting out the same crap (hence my car of the year nod to the Saturn Vue V6 - though most of the credit goes to Honda on that one). I'm excited about 'an American revolution.'

GM cars are better now than they've been in years - examples include the Chevrolet Malibu V6, Pontiac Grand Prix GTP, Chevrolet Aveo 5-door, Chevrolet Corvette coupe and convertible, Chevrolet Trailblazer and Trailblazer EXT, Isuzu Axiom, Isuzu Rodeo, Chevrolet Suburban, GMC Envoy XL, Cadillac Escalade, GMC Yukon XL Denali, and Chevrolet Malibu Maxx.

GM does have some trash cars, but when a company is that big, you can't expect everything to be good. Many things are.
 
I think Doug put it best. GM has some pretty good cars out or coming out. While I do think the Equinox and Colorado are pretty disappointing, there are some other cars and trucks there putting out worth a look.
 
Originally posted by VipFREAK
Better relatively speaking I hope?
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Relatively and overall. GM is better now both relative to the market and relative to their own past products than they've been in my lifetime, and I'm 27 in a week.
 
The Aveo's trash Doug. Its suspension is worse than the Geo Metro's was. I pushed down on the back bumper and it bounced like it had warn out shocks, already. Clearly GM is aiming it for those aimless twits who just want to buy new so they can say that it's new, yet for just $2K or less you can get a wide variety of used cars that are better than the Aveo.

Even the guys at the dealership I work at, when one such Malibu showed up, said that it looked more Japanese than American. The only good GMs are Saabs and Subarus(and Holdens if you live where they are), sure there's a few ok models here and there, but the real GM companies just don't do anything for me.
 
Originally posted by MazKid
The only good GMs are Saabs and Subarus (and Holdens if you live where they are), sure there's a few ok models here and there, but the real GM companies just don't do anything for me.
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Eh?! Subaru is owned by GM??
 
That sucks... lets hope GM doesn't get too much more control of Subaru then. It will turn into another Chrysler/dalmer feasco... :rolleyes:
 
You realize the Aveo is a rebadged Suzuki and well if you haven't notices Suzuki can't really build cars, or bikes for that matter but thats another subject. Anyways its GM entry for a fuel effiecent city car. Who cares about the suspension? Its not like you'll be taking it on a GT sytle road course.

As for the Malibu how does that look Japanese? It looks like pure chevy just buy the way the front facia is. That just screams chevy.

GM has some good cars out, a lot better then some past things they've put out. I'm still disappointed about the S-10's and Blazer's fall. After 21 or so years its a shame to see them go. They should have just done a redesign on the body and built a new motor. But here I'm stuck with an ugly Colorado, i just hope they don't make a crappy SUV outta it.
 
I thought the aveo was a daewoo kalos... yeah i agree. the new malibu kind of reminds me of old chevys from the 50's (at least the front does) and, the malibu ls gets the same highway mileage as the aveo, 34 mpg. but the aveo beats the malibu ls in city, 26 as to 24.
 
I'm sure that its a Suzuki err whats the name of it. IT looks just like it.
 
It is a Daewoo. The company that can't even build a US quality TV or microwave let alone cars.

I didn't mean that the Aveo should have the suspension of a race car. Atleast it should have suspension up to spec with my 323. Something that rides good and responds well in emergency situations. It's a small car, it shouldn't ride like an old caddilac.
 
Dude are you sure its not an Aerio SX? It looks really damn close.

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err maybe not I don't know its getting late, I just think they look like the same car with different facias. But if its a Daewoo what Daewoo is it rebadged after?
 
I'm completely sure. Suzuki isn't related to any US company. Daewoo is a GM company, they use to produce for the US til someone realized "Hey, our cars aren't selling well in a market looking for quality" and retreated to, well, China. :)

And Suzuki cars have gotten better, slightly. It still makes me laugh...at the Chicago autoshow 2 years ago, we went by the Suzuki area...they had like 4 or 5 cars out. A few people looking at them. Then on another part of thier display they had several motorcyles with a pretty good crowd looking at them. Thier bikes are better than thier cars, most everyone will agree on that.
Ohh, and AutoWeek test drove the Verona...evidently it stalled out on them at a stop light. Hahahaha.
 
Haha Suzuki making good bikes, pffft I hate Suzuki bikes with a passion but thats another route.

Anyways but you can see where my confusion came in, look how close they look in design.
 
Originally posted by MazKid
The Aveo's trash Doug. Its suspension is worse than the Geo Metro's was. I pushed down on the back bumper and it bounced like it had warn out shocks, already. Clearly GM is aiming it for those aimless twits who just want to buy new so they can say that it's new, yet for just $2K or less you can get a wide variety of used cars that are better than the Aveo.
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The Chevrolet Aveo LS 5-door is the third-best compact car (behind the Suzuki Aerio SX and Toyota Matrix Standard). It's better than Rio Cinco, Matrix XRS, PT Cruiser, Focus ZX3, xA, Vibe, 3S, Accent, Golf, Civic Si, etc.

You're right on the used car issue - for the price of an Aveo, you could have a 1998 Audi A4 or a 1996 Infiniti G20 - reliability might not be the same, you won't get a warranty (or a good one), and it will have had previous owners, but it says you're so much classier than people who buy an Aveo, which (to me) negates any minuses that can come from a used car.

You realize the Aveo is a rebadged Suzuki and well if you haven't notices Suzuki can't really build cars, or bikes for that matter but thats another subject.
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Watch out - the Aveo is a rebadged version of the Daewoo Kalos. The Suzuki Aerio SX is a much better car - it looks slightly similar but they aren't even close next to each other: the Aerio is larger and with a rather different body structure and - most importantly - the Aerio's engine (155-horsepower 2.3L makes it the most powerful standard engine in its class) is about twenty million times better, which is why it's at the top of the class and not the Aveo.

And Suzuki cars have gotten better, slightly.
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I disagree - with the exception of both the Aerio sedan and Aerio SX, I think Suzuki cars are significantly worse than five years ago - particularly because their SUV (and they make ONE, not seven like their ads claim. It's Vitara. They can put all the cladding that they want on it and that doesn't make the Grand Vitara anything more than a trim level) is still the same vehicle as five years ago. Worse, their two newest models - Forenza (small sedan) and Verona (midsize sedan) have already sunk to the bottom of their class.
 
Ya I just got confused over the design aspect of it. They just looked so close and for some reason I thought GM owned Suzuki...I must have been thinking Isuzu.

The only slightly good thing Suzuki makes is their sport bikes, but as fas as dirt bikes I personally think Yamaha and Kawasaki are must better.
 
Originally posted by BlazinXtreme
Ya I just got confused over the design aspect of it. They just looked so close and for some reason I thought GM owned Suzuki...I must have been thinking Isuzu.
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GM owns about half of Suzuki and Isuzu.
 
Originally posted by Firebird
GM owns about half of Suzuki and Isuzu.
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GM owns 20.1% of Suzuki (which owns 14.9% of Daewoo, though GM also owns their own 42.1% of Daewoo, which I'm sure makes for some interesting business meetings) and 12% of Isuzu as of March.

GM's influence, however, can be seen on both companies - the Suzuki Vitara has been the twin of the Chevrolet Tracker since 1999. From 1990 to 1998, the Vitara, then called the Suzuki Sidekick, was the twin of the Geo Tracker and, in Canada, the Pontiac Sunrunner. Incidentally, Suzuki built all of these vehicles.

GM's influence over Isuzu is just as obvious - the Isuzu Ascender is the twin of the Chevrolet Trailblazer EXT and GMC Envoy XL (and since January, it's the twin of the short wheelbase models too plus the Buick Rainier, Oldsmobile Bravada, and upcoming Saab 9-7X). GM had a much clearer influence over Isuzu in the mid-1990s when Isuzu rebadged several GM cars and trucks as their own - first the 1990-1992 Isuzu Impulse was a rebadged (and slightly better looking) version of the Geo Storm, then the 1990-1993 Isuzu Stylus was, I believe, a rebadged Geo Metro sedan, and then from 1996-2000, the Isuzu Hombre was a rebadged GMC Sonoma/Chevrolet S-10. Interestingly, every Isuzu-badged GM product has failed. More interestingly, the Isuzu Stylus won a 1998 study trying to determine which motorists mistakenly believed their car had antilock brakes - something like half of all Stylus owners believed the Stylus had ABS when, in fact, it did not.

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Gee... that's funny, you'd think since GM seems to own everything they'd have enough resources to not keep producing crap. I guess that quote is true my teach talks about, "Crap in crap out". :lol:
 

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