Question About The V8's

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Formula One has used the V8's in the past, and they're about to use them again. My question is, I saw this one show on Speed called "formula One Saga", and it had this one clip of F1 in the 80's where (I Think) Nelson Piquet or Rene Arnoux was talking about how the renault had over 1000HP just for qual, will this be a possibility in 06????
 
No. The cars from that era used turbocharged V8's. The 2006 regulations require naturally aspirated motors.

Edit: Okay, V6's. The important part is the turbocharging, though. That's the difference between 650hp and 1000hp.
 
Yeah. Arnoux's car was a V6 twin turbo.




...he still was beaten by Villeneuve's NA in dijon. Hahaha. However, the ferrari was a V12.


edited. ;)
 
cough V6 cough

The normally aspirated Cosworth was a V8. The turbo engines in the 80's were either V6 or an inline 4. (There's something in the back of my mind telling me that the Alfa may have been a V8, but it was rubbish)
 
OMFG. Wow, really? I totally apologize. Brainfart, I guess. Took their word for it, anyway. Haha.
 
Actually, I wouldn't say it's impossible to get 1000hp out of an NA V8, but to get that much and stay together for 2 races is just a bit too much to ask an engine.
 
niky
Actually, I wouldn't say it's impossible to get 1000hp out of an NA V8, but to get that much and stay together for 2 races is just a bit too much to ask an engine.
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They'll start this season with around 820bhp, they'll be knocking 1000bhp before the end of the decade, remember they are only 2.4ltr!

When f1 adopted the 3ltr V10 rules (mid 90's?) they started with a similar HP figure - they were upto 1000bhp by the end of 05
 
TheCracker
They'll start this season with around 820bhp, they'll be knocking 1000bhp before the end of the decade, remember they are only 2.4ltr!

When f1 adopted the 3ltr V10 rules (mid 90's?) they started with a similar HP figure - they were upto 1000bhp by the end of 05
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Not if the FIA have their way. Their plans for standardising ECUs and other parts are going to smother the power race somewhat (starting in 2008 IIRC).
 
I'm still unsure how they'll do a sealed ECU formula when all the manufacturers will be running their own engines. ????
 
so i guess its a possibility, but its something thats not assured to happen. How about the sound from the engines, they wont sound like the screaming V10's of this year...will they?
 
amp88
Not if the FIA have their way. Their plans for standardising ECUs and other parts are going to smother the power race somewhat (starting in 2008 IIRC).
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Hah! They'll get around that easily. The "standard ECU" V8's will be putting out 900+ BHP and have traction control in 2008 (unofficially of course.) Just like the old Celica GT-Four Group-A cars had "300 BHP".
 
TheCracker
They'll start this season with around 820bhp, they'll be knocking 1000bhp before the end of the decade, remember they are only 2.4ltr!
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820bhp… where the hell did you grab that number from? :confused:
 
^Yeah, I've heard closer to 700 hp for this year (really, does anyone besides the teams know the true answer?)
 
kylehnat
^Yeah, I've heard closer to 700 hp for this year (really, does anyone besides the teams know the true answer?)
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Didnt F1 use V8's in the past?? I know the formula has changed a bit from then,, but i mean wont they know a little bit of what they can get out of a V8 engine???
 
scoobyonline200
Didnt F1 use V8's in the past?? I know the formula has changed a bit from then,, but i mean wont they know a little bit of what they can get out of a V8 engine???
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Yes, V8s have been employed extensively throughout the history of F1. However, no 2.4 litre V8s have ever been used (as far as I know) and, of course, the engine and materials research we have currently wasn't available in the past. Michael Schumacher won the F1 title in 1994 in his Benetton with a 3.5 litre Ford V8 developing roughly 750bhp. Things have obviously moved on since then though, with the new 2.4 litre V8s reputed to be over 700bhp.
 
Ah, fug it... let's just put V-twins in there or single cylinder thumpers. Maybe that way, Valentino Rossi would be sure to jump on the F1 bandwagon. :lol:
 
scoobyonline200
so i guess its a possibility, but its something thats not assured to happen. How about the sound from the engines, they wont sound like the screaming V10's of this year...will they?
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20k RPM has already been broken, so no doubt the engines will be screaming.

They'll probably sound like DFVs on meth.
 
I'd guess that max revs would be about the same as the V10's (around 19,000). The V8's can rev a bit past 20,000, but since they have to last, the teams will probably dial that back a bit. I have a video of a Cosworth dyno test, and at 20,000 rpm, the thing sounded like it was about to tear itself apart. I don't know if they'd be able to get 700km out of it with that kind of torture.
 
I thought it was 22k on the cosworth dyno. or, was it 2002?
 
niky
I'm still unsure how they'll do a sealed ECU formula when all the manufacturers will be running their own engines. ????
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The Australian V8 Supercars do this quite well. The ECU is standard for all cars but it is not static ie: you can still change fuel mapping etc... The FIA rules will presumably outline a standard ECU and wiring loom then let the manufacturers figure out how to plug it in to their data system.

The standard ECU will just prevent teams from developing super-ECU's with capabilities other teams don't have. It will also allow the FIA to regulate engine performance for the field, especially the revs. In the V8 SC's all cars are limited to 7,500rpm - maybe the FIA will also limit revs (say 17500rpm) to try and prolong engine life.

We will wait and see I guess.
 

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