Question re_Online Racing

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Greetings all,

I hope I'm not re-hashing an old (or resolved) topic here.
A couple things I wanted to know;

Whenever I race online, I get ABUSED... I mean I finish an average of 40sec to >1min after the leader / winner.

I race with the typical "Sim-Type" setting: All Assists "Off", and ABS set to 1, Manual Gears and Clutch enabled (I use a G25)

I know I'm not that great a racer but I was wondering if there's something I'm doing wrong to be sooo much slower than what seems to be average.
Btw, because I consider myself relatively inexperienced, I only enter "Race for Fun" rooms.

Lookin forward to your replies / advice.


Laterz
 
Are you sure the cars that you're using are competitive with the rest of the field? That's the only thing that I can think of that would lead you to fall that far behind aside from constant crashes/mistakes.
 
I use a G27 when I play online I have all assists ''on'' and I still win. But it all comes down to how many mistakes you make.
 
JohnnyBlackVII
Greetings all,

I hope I'm not re-hashing an old (or resolved) topic here.
A couple things I wanted to know;

Whenever I race online, I get ABUSED... I mean I finish an average of 40sec to >1min after the leader / winner.

I race with the typical "Sim-Type" setting: All Assists "Off", and ABS set to 1, Manual Gears and Clutch enabled (I use a G25)

I know I'm not that great a racer but I was wondering if there's something I'm doing wrong to be sooo much slower than what seems to be average.
Btw, because I consider myself relatively inexperienced, I only enter "Race for Fun" rooms.

Lookin forward to your replies / advice.


Laterz
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I have quite a bit of online experience so I might be able to help you. There are several possible causes for your issue.

1. You aren't very fast. No insult or anything, but most guys that race online are 1-4+ seconds a lap slower than what I would consider a fast driver. Practice, practice, practice. Joining the WRS will help as they are a very helpful group and you can learn a lot there. Learn to drive cars on their native tires as it'll make you much faster on the RS tires that dominate online racing, later on.

2. Car choice. In spite of being equal in PP cars are not equal. Some cars just dramatically outperform others on the track. You'll find most races dominated by a handful of cars and without them in your garage, podiums, let alone victories, will be hard to come by in open PP racing.

3. Tuning. Even with the right car, the right tune makes a big difference. Stock vs. well tuned can be 2+ seconds a lap. I see guys running around at 500PP with wings on the back or cars detuned from 550PP and they can't figure out why they are competitive. Praiano has perhaps the most comprehensive garage of tunes and they are all very fast and Praiano is a very fast driver as well which helps when tuning.
 
Thanx for the replies guys;
@Snorevette_ I have actually used the same car as another racer in the room (Re-Amemiya FD3S) but I had it on Sports-Soft Tyres and still got properly 'Bused.
@hall90_ I really didn't want to use assists but it seems like everyone else does.

Additional note, I usually run only Sports Tyres. I wanted to experience the game from as realistic a perspective as possible but it seems like I am a major minority in that respect.
Next time I'm online, I will create an Assists Off Room and see how many people actually join.
Maybe then I will get an accurate idea of how my driving measures up.

Of course the main reason that I am racing is for FUN! Cheers.
 
JohnnyBlackVII
Greetings all,

I hope I'm not re-hashing an old (or resolved) topic here.
A couple things I wanted to know;

Whenever I race online, I get ABUSED... I mean I finish an average of 40sec to >1min after the leader / winner.

I race with the typical "Sim-Type" setting: All Assists "Off", and ABS set to 1, Manual Gears and Clutch enabled (I use a G25)

I know I'm not that great a racer but I was wondering if there's something I'm doing wrong to be sooo much slower than what seems to be average.
Btw, because I consider myself relatively inexperienced, I only enter "Race for Fun" rooms.

Lookin forward to your replies / advice.


Laterz
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In addition to what Johnnypenso said, it's possible that the other drivers are using SRF, try searching for "Skid Recovery Force off" in the open lobby options. There will probably be a lot fewer rooms, but it may be easier to keep up.
 
mistersafeway
In addition to what Johnnypenso said, it's possible that the other drivers are using SRF, try searching for "Skid Recovery Force off" in the open lobby options. There will probably be a lot fewer rooms, but it may be easier to keep up.
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Good point. SRF is good for a second or two a lap but more importantly, much more consistency.
 
Following on from the others - focus on keeping clean and tidy. A couple of times running wide, or bouncing off a curb don't seem a lot, but will soon leave you well behind the good drivers. I know about these things :dunce:

Also, have you tried Shuffle rooms? At some point you will get a good car and if you don't come somewhere closer to the front, you know you have work to do! Shuffle racing can be can be good fun and you don't have to worry about tunes. I found them to be a good place to learn the ins and outs of the online racing.
 
Using manual gears with clutch is slowing you down considerably.
 
Thanx again for the replies folks... greatly appreciated.

I have tried Shuffle rooms in the past and, actually, I did win a few of them (level playing field, I guess)

@iamsupernasty; I understand that the H-Shifter and Clutch can slow me down but I really don't like playing racing games with Automatic gears or even from third-person view. I mean using a Wheel and Automatic gears? No thanks bro... I can understand using Automatic if one is using a DualShock Controller but with a wheel it just doesn't make sense to me.

I'm starting to think that Assists are necessary for Online play and I will save the "no assists and full immersion" feeling for when I'm playing Offline. I still will look for the No Assists Rooms tho(if any of them do exist)

@Johnnypenso; thanx for the detailed breakdown of factors, and no offense was taken. I'll check out the WRS as per your info. Thanx a mil.

For the record, I race for FUN. I mean I love to win but having fun is MUCH more important.

Thanx again folks, I will consider ALL of your feedback.
 
Because even if he is perfect, he still can't flat shift.

What's more, we can assume that he is not perfect.
 
killerjimbag
How do you figure that it's slowing him down?
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...The time taken to release the Accelerator Pedal, press the Clutch Pedal, Engage gear and then press Accelerator (Manual Drivers) is much more than someone who's gears Automatically change even when they floor the Gas Pedal.
Manual Saves time in breaking and cornering when used properly tho.

iamsupernasty just explained the same thing in MUCH less words... Well done!
 
I'm not suggesting using Automatic :)

Manual with the paddles is the fastest way around the track. That also allows you to left foot brake which will make you faster as well.
 
You are using racing softs right?
 
iamsupernasty
I'm not suggesting using Automatic :)

Manual with the paddles is the fastest way around the track. That also allows you to left foot brake which will make you faster as well.
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This is true without a doubt, and much more consistent as well with the paddles. In any serious racing I use paddles, and mostly use stick when I'm driving alone or just for fun. Still you can be very fast using fully manual clutch, and perhaps a front runner given the right combination of driving skill and depth of field, just not as likely with paddles. I have found that tuning the transmission to use a gear less than usual also helps with consistency.
 
Never mind had a comment, but misread his use of abused...
 
I think that getting the right car with the right setup is crucial. For example, last night I was running an Epson NSX against 2 Loctite NSX's and got well and truly beaten. However, I was then able to win all my other races by using a Takata Dome NSX - a lot less PP, but overall a better car. Other than that, I find you need to be completely wired to your tv in order to maximise each lap. Any mistake will cost you hugely, so just keep practicing until you feel completely comfortable in setting consistently fast laps. Hope this helps.
 
Well, i have abouts the same issue as the OP. I don't tune my cars too much, and i use a DS3 so the assists i use ate TC 0-5 and ABS1.

I feel i lose most time becourse i race-laidback, i don't push myself to drive hard enough.
Making your blood pump, get the drenaline flowing, and getting that power down just that spilt second faster in each corner wil in a whole lap, make for quite a faster lap.

But atm i am more focused on not making any mistakes and just finish.

Last night i hosted a race on Spa, 10 laps 650PP GT/LM racecars on RH tyres. And i managed to hang on okey the first few laps but i made two brake errors and lost some time. One guy actualy made a pitstop in his C5R in the 5th lap when he was 5 sec infront of me, and he managed to catch me in the last corner before the finish.

So i was last but it was very fun, after the race i saw the guys fastest laps where around 3 secs faster then mine :P

Keep practicing my friend, and remember, even if you don't win, have fun.
Like some here said, clutch gearing is also a fair deal slower over a lap.
 
When you're racing for fun, winning doesn't matter. I've raced in rooms where I've been lapped because I choose a car not as extreme with set up as others. Whether it be in a room where I know the racers are clean or a room I just jump in. Coming last isn't bad, it's definitely a change from winning all the races offline in A-spec.
 
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