R390 Road Car a Race Car in disquise???

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Anyone ever race R390 Road car and notice it's handling is as good as any LM or other super car??? Plus you get to use turbocharger AND nitrous!!! It's ridiculous to call it a "road car". Same thing with the NSX LM Road Car...
 
Anyone ever race R390 Road car and notice it's handling is as good as any LM or other super car??? Plus you get to use turbocharger AND nitrous!!! It's ridiculous to call it a "road car". Same thing with the NSX LM Road Car...

Back in the late 1990's to get a car homologated for Le Mans only required 1 or 2 production models as I recall. Same can be said of the Panoz Esperante and Mercedes CLK GTR/LM variants.
 
It's an amazing car and a bargain considering what other top supercars cost.

Just be glad they didn't carry over the TS022 Road Car, it probably would be up there above the FXX and GT By Citroen Concept.
 
Like Furinkazen said, it's what's called a "Homologation Special", which, in layman terms translates loosely as: "Racecar without wings or livery and with a pathetic attempt at an interior just so a manufacturer can get into a GT race series with a bespoke devil machine".

There's also a road car version for the Toyota GT-ONE and the CLK-GTR, look up for them and bask in their awesomeness! ;)
 
Like Furinkazen said, it's what's called a "Homologation Special", which, in layman terms translates loosely as: "Racecar without wings or livery and with a pathetic attempt at an interior just so a manufacturer can get into a GT race series with a bespoke devil machine".

There's also a road car version for the Toyota GT-ONE and the CLK-GTR, look up for them and bask in their awesomeness! ;)

I heard about it before GT6, was so happy they had it, then I listened to it... But the original is such a scary monster, listen to it simply cruise by the city.

 
Let's not forget the Porsche 911 GT1. Would the McLaren F1 GTR qualify as well?

They did race in the same LMGTP category but the Le Mans racing F1 was based on the road car, given that the road car was basically a race car from the get-go, and as such it was homologated from the beginning. The 911 GT1, TS020, R390 and the CLK GTR were first thought-of as race cars and then homologated.

Edit: Just realized that what I wrote is a mess so:

McF1: Homologated roadcar first, racing car later.
Other LMGTPs: Racing car first, homologated road car later.
 
They did race in the same LMGTP category but the Le Mans racing F1 was based on the road car, given that the road car was basically a race car from the get-go, and as such it was homologated from the beginning. The 911 GT1, TS020, R390 and the CLK GTR were first thought-of as race cars and then homologated.

Edit: Just realized that what I wrote is a mess so:

McF1: Homologated roadcar first, racing car later.
Other LMGTPs: Racing car first, homologated road car later.
The mclaren f1 was designed to.be the ultimate road car. None of the above had a bespoke high end sound system, 24k.gold heat insulation/wiring, bespoke louis vitton luggage or bespoke snap-on tool kit.

Group b rally cars had to have 200 road cars built
Lmp gt regs stated depending on year that a minimum of 1 road car in the case of the toyota or 25 in the case of the porsche these cars generally never found their way into public hands and remained the property of.the manufacturer.

The nissan wasnt even a nissan. It was built by TWR of jaguar xjr-9 fame and the chassis was based on the xjr-15 if i remember correctly
 
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There is a atory of a german mclaren owner that phoned the factory saying there was a problem with hearing the sound system..so the factory said. Plug the car into the phoneline, we will download the data and give you a call back. So he did. A couple of hours later mclaren called back saying. We seem to have a problem with the data. The german goes whats up. Mclaren say the car is showing repeated use at speeds over 180mph. The german goes yeah thats correct. Mclaren said thats your problem your going too fast
 
I prefer this.

Lotus_Elise_GT1_Road_Car.jpg
 
Anyone ever race R390 Road car and notice it's handling is as good as any LM or other super car??? Plus you get to use turbocharger AND nitrous!!! It's ridiculous to call it a "road car". Same thing with the NSX LM Road Car...

I dont understand the question. Do nobody read the "cars information" before buying or selecting a car? Polyphony gives a lot of information about the history of each car - especially with the R390 GT1 Road Car. So simply reading the info in the game would answer your question.
 
I adore homologation models, the craziness about them :dopey: And the rarity, the fact that they are basically myths. Wish there were more in the GT series, but the R390, Stratos and such will do 👍
 
So I would think that the GT40 may fall into this realm as well and possibly the P330 ?
 
I dont understand the question. Do nobody read the "cars information" before buying or selecting a car? Polyphony gives a lot of information about the history of each car - especially with the R390 GT1 Road Car. So simply reading the info in the game would answer your question.
He's just likening the performance of the Road Car to that of the Race version and other high spec racecars when fully tuned.
 
Yes!We need this!

ferrari-f50-gt1-4.jpg
Not to go too far off topic, but the F50 GT1 was said to be faster around Fiorano than the 333sp. It would have made for an outstanding battle between the CLK-LM, 911GT1 EVO and this had Ferrari gone ahead and ran it.
 
Homologation is the reason many of my favorite cars exist. Lancia Delta Integrale, Lancia Stratos, Lancia Delta S4 Stradale, Lancia 037 Stradale, BMW M3 GTR, Ford RS200, Audi Sport Quattro, Escort Cossie, or the 22B, just to name a few.

The 22b was sort of done in reverse. It was a commemorative car that was based off of the shape of the rally car at the time, the Impreza WRC99. The wide blistered fender flares were an homage to the rally cars shape, not the result of requirements for homologation.

In the 99 season, the Impreza had just switched to the, then new, WRcar class from the older Group-A spec (that Mitsubishi ran up to the EVO6.5), which meant that homologation specials were no longer required to make a fire breathing AWD rally car. You simply had to base it off of a high volume production model. The Impreza WRC99 and WRC2000, if memory serves me right, were based off of a European base model Impreza which came only in FWD, a pure economy model. Using this car as the homologation base, allowed Prodrive to change the pick up points and geometry of the rear suspension, over that of the AWD road cars, which was something that was a constant source of headache in the Impreza Group-A cars, be it form lack of travel, or geometry compromises. Either way, the move was a nice way to use the rules to make the cars competitive evolution move along, without having to release a new road car to match Mitsubishi's latest Evolution of the Lancer, a car that had trumped the Group-A formula in a way only rivaled by Lancia before them.


The Group-B homologation rules required 200 cars. It is believed that most of the manufactures either lied outright to the FIA about the numbers built, or made 200 cars "in part", simply to appease the FIA. There is even a great story of Jean Todt (yes that Jean Todt), who was the team director at Peugeot at the time of the 205 T16 program, walking FIA officials around the Peugeot factory showing them "all" the 205's they had built for homologation. They would show them one warehouse full of T16's then go take a factory tour, have some cheese and wine, then suddenly "over here in this warehouse we have yet MORE 205 T16's!" Followed by some more sight seeing, and wine. Rumor also has it that the majority of the "cars" in the warehouses were simply the fiberglass body panels on chassis jigs, with only the first 10-15 cars in the front actually being built, functional, complete cars. This shell game of "move the 205's" continued for the better part of the day, until the FIA officials were good and bored, as well as heavily inebriated, and finally signed off on the homologation papers with little complaint. You will note that there is no glut of 205 T16 road cars for sale, because they never exsisted.


The Group-A homologation cars were a differnt story all together. With many manufactures not only making special road going models (Lanver Evolution, WRX STi, Escort Cosworth, Celica GT-4, etc.) to qualify for Homologation, but also making special models of those models. The FIA reffered to these officially as "evolutionize" models. So while the Toyota Celica ST-185 was the homologated car, they would build a special "RC" model, which would have bigger radiators, beefier pumps, beefier suspension pickup points, etc. In some cases even the engines would be modified, either with billet internals, or fully closed decks, oil squirters, dog ring transmissions, etc. It was, in effect, a partly prepped racing build. This allowed for greater freedom within the rules for modification, as they could point to these cars and say "yes, see, we produced that in mass for homologation, of course that machined bespoke part is production based". It also meant that when factory efforts would occasionally support Group-N production based programs, they could send one of these "evolutionize" cars to the event to help improve the brands chances of winning. This is largely why, in their heyday, Mitsubishi and Toyota dominated their Group-N fields for as long as they did, especially Mitsubi****.

Occasionally one of these cars would get sold to someone they wherent supposed to, and turn up on a grey market importer somwhere. For example i know someone with a Group-A Mazda BP turbo motor out of a 323 GTX, and a 3SGTE out of a Celica ST-185 RC. In both cases, these motors internally are completely different than their production counterparts. THe Mazda is currently making 500 BHP in an Escort, and the Celica motor is in an ST-165, making about 360BHP, and a whopping 480 lbs. ft. of torque. There is no way you could do that with either of those motors stock, even with them being heavily modified from stock. These are racing both pure racing engines, of which the comparison with stock ends at the external dimensions of the block.


OK, I've rambled enough...
 
Yeah, we need the Toyota Road Car and that black lotus from GT2 back. I believe you could RM in a sweet yellow livery.
 
The car for 1995 and 1996 was. McLaren still needed to build the F1 GT to homologate the extensively modified 1997 car.
Even the F1 GT was nothing like the other purpose-built race cars made road legal.
The R390, GT ONE, 911 GT1, and CLK GTR were nothing but factory sanctioned variations of the Dauer 962.
 
The mclaren f1 was designed to.be the ultimate road car. None of the above had a bespoke high end sound system, 24k.gold heat insulation/wiring, bespoke louis vitton luggage or bespoke snap-on tool kit.

Group b rally cars had to have 200 road cars built
Lmp gt regs stated depending on year that a minimum of 1 road car in the case of the toyota or 25 in the case of the porsche these cars generally never found their way into public hands and remained the property of.the manufacturer.

The nissan wasnt even a nissan. It was built by TWR of jaguar xjr-9 fame and the chassis was based on the xjr-15 if i remember correctly

The R390 always strikes me as one of those funny little cars that found its way. There is no doubt that the XJR-15 was an unmitigated disaster. The power, the handling, the driver fatigue issues...there was little good to say about that car.

Yet along comes Nissan, and somehow TWR manages to take what they had learned from the XJR-15, and rework into a new chassis with Nissan's blessing, correct the short comings, and produce a LeMans podium gracing car, from the design ashes of what was at best a GT1 back marker.

Feels a lot like BrawnGP coming up with a magic bullet from the old Honda F1 parts bin.

Its just a feel good racing story.
 
Slow car for it's PP in GT5 (poor straightline speed and the cornering speed is nothing extraordinary) and it seems that in GT6 is the same, but I haven't tested it much.

The NSX LM Prototype Road car was a beast in GT5 (probably the best all-round "road car" in the game) and in GT6 doesn't seem to be as good but still very fast.
 
Even the F1 GT was nothing like the other purpose-built race cars made road legal.
The R390, GT ONE, 911 GT1, and CLK GTR were nothing but factory sanctioned variations of the Dauer 962.

I didn't say it was to the extent of those ones. I said it was required to be built (like those ones also were) to allow the racing of the 1997 car, as opposed to the sentiment in this thread that the F1's entire racing career was just a bunch of converted F1 road cars.
 
...the F1's entire racing career was just a bunch of converted F1 road cars.
But it was.
The F1 GT was still based on a road car chassis.

There's a fundamental difference between road car turned race car and race car turned road legal IMO.
 

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