Race Hard and Soft same longevity?

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I've had to farm two endurances so far, once Grand Valley 300km and once Indy 500miles, I've achieved gold in every special events and licenses, so I believe to be a good and consistant driver. I decided to rerun those two endurances with my Nissan R92CP to finish them faster, while I was at it I checked if my impression that tire wear is the same for every compound was true, I tested it with no aids except ABS1, then with TC5, finally TC10 and ASM, each time with the same mileage. On Grand Valley, my tires last the same amount of laps for soft, medium and hard compound. I lap 5 seconds faster on the softs, so if I was to take each corner at the same speed and accelerate at the same rate with the softs as the harder tires I would get better mileage on the softs. On Indianapolis, same thing, the softs are 1 second faster, all compound, after 27 laps, the rear right start losing grip, after 30, it's gone, once again, if I were to take each corner 20km/h slower on the softs to match the hard tires speed, they would last longer. I haven't tested the performance with gasoline toroughly, because there is only one type of gas in the game, but I haven't notice a difference between 100L and 1L of fuel either, my last 15 laps on Grand Valley were within 0.3 sec of each other, the first 8 with 1/4 of a tank then 7 laps full. On Indianapolis I can easily drive within a 0.1 margin lap after lap, I lap as fast with 100L as I do with 1L. Anyone else noticed this? Also, shouldn't tires with 50% wear have the same grip than at 100, 90 or 75%? They seem to be losing performance gradually until they reach 10%, at wich point they exponentially lose traction until they are gone.
 
I noticed this. I thought I could get an advantage using hard tires in the Indy 500. I ended up doing just as much pitting as the AI on medium. Also, this was b-spec, so it wasn't me being a bad driver.
 
So the conclusion is that all tires last just about the same so it's better to just use the soft tires? As long as you don't constantly drift through corners of course.
 
I tested this on the Indy 500 and came to the same conclusion. I always use the softs now.
 
I tested them online early on and saw a difference in tire life but at the time I did not yet know that intermediate were not medium lol. Anyway I ran almost twice as many laps on Hard as I was able to get on intermediate going around Daytona in a Nascar in an online race.

I will have to check in game as I have been letting Bob use hards on Nurburgring hoping to get an extra lap or 2 between stops.
 
If like me you like using the same car on the same type of tyre, how do you change tyres like for like.???
When I`ve tried purchasing another set it says `already fitted to car`?

I take it during all races / challenges the tyres WILL wear.
 
The tires never need to be re-purchased. They just have to be swapped during the races. Basically when you buy Hard race tires you are buying an endless supply of hard race tires for that car.
 
Long as you do not "light up" your tires they will last a good long while. If you go into the red loosing grip on a tire it's lifespan drops a good bit, but if you drive a bit more cautiously you can stretch them out, pretty much like real racing.

Always run softs tho since they give much more grip, the time you gain lapping faster, even if you are paced down saving the tires makes up for the shorter stints since the ai seems to run harder compound tires. Tho i am not deep into the endurance races only up to the 26 one, well just leveled to 27 so i will have a few more to try out.
 
Thanks RoadHog, can also now put my bad driving down to me getting tired and not the rubber wearing off my wheels.......must sleep more!!!!
 
lalaurentide
I've had to farm two endurances so far, once Grand Valley 300km and once Indy 500miles, I've achieved gold in every special events and licenses, so I believe to be a good and consistant driver.

I decided to rerun to those two endurances with my Nissan R92CP to finish them faster, while I was at it I checked if my impression that tire wear is the same for every compound was true, I tested it with no aids except ABS1, then with TC5, finally TC10 and ASM, each time with the same mileage. On Grand Valley, my tires last the same amount of laps for soft, medium and hard compound.

I lap 5 seconds faster on the softs, so if I was to take each corner at the same speed and accelerate at the same rate with the softs as the harder tires I would get better mileage on the softs. On Indianapolis, same thing, the softs are 1 second faster, all compound, after 27 laps, the rear right start losing grip, after 30, it's gone, once again, if I were to take each corner 20km/h slower on the softs to match the hard tires speed, they would last longer.

I haven't tested the performance with gasoline toroughly, because there is only one type of gas in the game, but I haven't notice a difference between 100L and 1L of fuel either, my last 15 laps on Grand Valley were within 0.3 sec of each other, the first 8 with 1/4 of a tank then 7 laps full.


On Indianapolis I can easily drive within a 0.1 margin lap after lap, I lap as fast with 100L as I do with 1L.
Anyone else noticed this? Also, shouldn't tires with 50% wear have the same grip than at 100, 90 or 75%? They seem to be losing performance gradually until they reach 10%, at wich point they exponentially lose traction until they are gone.
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Sorry But this is much easier to read ... why do people type one huge paragraph like that ? If you have a lot to say then you need to break it up a little.
 
toothache
Sorry But this is much easier to read ... why do people type one huge paragraph like that ? If you have a lot to say then you need to break it up a little.
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Sorry I'm french, I did made an effort to punctuate, this would be a 3 sentence paragraph for me.
 
Same here, if there is a difference between soft and hard it is very very small or I used so much more rubber on hard ones cause i didnt had the grip of the softs. At least in my case there was no big difference.
 
I tested this on Grand Valley 300k. I made the same number of pit stops on soft and hard runs. On the soft I finished 5min quicker.
 
It's because when you use racing hard, you try to go as fast as possible, jut like softs. But because they aren't as grippy, you are sliding ALOT more, so the tyre wear is very similar.
 
corzza7
It's because when you use racing hard, you try to go as fast as possible, jut like softs. But because they aren't as grippy, you are sliding ALOT more, so the tyre wear is very similar.
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This was also my thought. Altho, I've not tested it.
 
corzza7
It's because when you use racing hard, you try to go as fast as possible, jut like softs. But because they aren't as grippy, you are sliding ALOT more, so the tyre wear is very similar.
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Softs tend to last longer for me, I must suck.

Softs have no Cons compared to Hards
Softs work better in Rain than actual rain tires.
Intermediate Tires are seemingly pointless.
The whole tire system is so screwy, makes me wonder if they tested it.
 
corzza7
It's because when you use racing hard, you try to go as fast as possible, jut like softs. But because they aren't as grippy, you are sliding ALOT more, so the tyre wear is very similar.
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What you're saying is that you have no credibility in this discussion, you can't race properly. Anyway, hard tires should last at least twice as long as soft ones, though it doesn't matter in most high-RPM racing car burning fuel faster than medium or hard tires.
 
lalaurentide
What you're saying is that you have no credibility in this discussion, you can't race properly. Anyway, hard tires should last at least twice as long as soft ones, though it doesn't matter in most high-RPM racing car burning fuel faster than medium or hard tires.
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What you mean I have no credibility? And I can't race properly? I've got all
Gold licenses, and all gold special events, execpt that stupid rally.
It's true though, because the hards have less grip, you will most likely be sliding around the place more, and there will be more tire squeal which means your wearing out the tyres quicker. If you drifters hards smoother without squeal, it most likely would last a lot longer, but your lap times would be very much slower
 
corzza7
What you mean I have no credibility? And I can't race properly? I've got all
Gold licenses, and all gold special events, execpt that stupid rally.
It's true though, because the hards have less grip, you will most likely be sliding around the place more, and there will be more tire squeal which means your wearing out the tyres quicker. If you drifters hards smoother without squeal, it most likely would last a lot longer, but your lap times would be very much slower
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If you're sliding you wouldn't be going as fast as you possibly could, in most cases. So why would any true racer drive their car past the limits of the tires themselves?
 
This is surprising news. I remember in previous versions of GT the soft tires would only last about 5 laps before they were junk, and the hard compound would last much longer.
 
articzap
If you're sliding you wouldn't be going as fast as you possibly could, in most cases. So why would any true racer drive their car past the limits of the tires themselves?
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This is just what I has noticed while looking at this theory.
For me, my hard compound lasts about 10 laps longer at The Indy 500, but my lap times are dramatically slower. Usually with the Minolta my laps are 39:8 seconds. But with hard they are around 41:2 because I lift of accelerator so the tyres don't squeal.
 
corzza7
What you mean I have no credibility? And I can't race properly? I've got all
Gold licenses, and all gold special events, execpt that stupid rally.
It's true though, because the hards have less grip, you will most likely be sliding around the place more, and there will be more tire squeal which means your wearing out the tyres quicker. If you drifters hards smoother without squeal, it most likely would last a lot longer, but your lap times would be very much slower
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You said

"It's because when you use racing hard, you try to go as fast as possible, jut like softs. But because they aren't as grippy, you are sliding ALOT more, so the tyre wear is very similar."

I'm sorry, you are not suppose to be "sliding", if you do, you are doing it wrong, that's why your argument isn't valid. The comparison is between hard and soft tire from normal wear, without losing traction, only then can you compare between the two in term of longevity, spinning and sliding change the results.
 
lalaurentide
You said

"It's because when you use racing hard, you try to go as fast as possible, jut like softs. But because they aren't as grippy, you are sliding ALOT more, so the tyre wear is very similar."

I'm sorry, you are not suppose to be "sliding", if you do, you are doing it wrong, that's why your argument isn't valid. The comparison is between hard and soft tire from normal wear, without losing traction, only then can you compare between the two in term of longevity, spinning and sliding change the results.
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I didn't really mean sliding, I ment loosing grip which causes you to slide more. Which cause more wear
 
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