Race riots in Australia "affect safe tourism image"

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My two cents:

Australia is NOT a rascist country. What happened in Sydney occurred in a VERY bogan area of town (cronulla) where there was basically a long built up clash of two 'hoon' cultures... the reasons for the rioting is very specific regarding the actions of the Lebanese youth gangs and also these particular bogan Aussies who got pissed off with the Lebanese (sorry for the politically incorrect labelling of the "other" gang - I know I can't just call them all Lebanese but its all I can think of right now) bashing those Lifeguards (almost a sacred Aussie symbol - a real low blow that pretty much was an attack on Australian culture). Those riots aren't indicative of what the majority of Aussies are like, its only a small area affected and two small groups being violent here. The ACTIONS of these groups have been more important regarding the rising tension and violence than each group's religion or cultural background.

Now after a small disclaimer I'd like to make a point...
Disclaimer: I, in no way endorse violence as a way to solve anything or how the "Aussies" reacted to the Lebanese gangs... Also, the "Aussies" most surely blew the bashing of the Lifeguards WAAY out of proportion in their anger... they saw it as "ALL LEBANESE HATE AND HAVE ATTACKED THE AUSTRALIAN CULTURE OUR GRANDFATHER FOUGHT TWO WORLD WARS TO PROTECT!", when in reality I see the Lifeguard bashings as probably a pretty stupid, but isolated incident, and those who did the bashing wouldn't have realised the implications of what they had done...

But...
I do think they (the bogan Aussies) have a point - the Lebanese gangs do torment, abuse and generally harrass a lot of folk (even me when I was ten years old! TEN! While holidaying with my family, we were just having fish and chips on the beach and some Lebanese boys came over and told us to **** off their spot! We were aghast and totally affronted - we left cause we were genuinely scared at what they would do... not what Australia should be at all - and NO other cultural groups in Australia behave this way)... These Lebanese gangs ARE very angry generally, rude and disrespectful of what it means to be Australian (be relaxed, law abiding, respect other people etc). They've had way too much testosterone for years, picking fights, yelling abuse at random people - a real gang mentality - for a long time and the local 'Aussies' finally cracked. Because the local Aussies weren't too smart and were pretty much total bogans, the only way they knew how to react was with anger misdirected at innocent people... Crowds rioting DO behave very differently than how any one individual would behave like in a less crazy atmosphere... Crowds like that make people do things they really wouldn't normally do (I know NOT an excuse, but important to note). It certainly was VERY stupid and VERY unproductive and totally wrong, but it wasn't done unprovoked IMO. I believe it takes quite a bit to get Aussies to really get annoyed like that... these bogans didn't do anything for years and years. Every other culture (Italians, Asian, Irish, Anglo, Indian, etc) have successfully mingled into the pot of relaxed Aussie multiculturalism EXCEPT these rude, violent gangs of Lebanese and other hot-headed guys that hang with them...
NOW, I do not think there is ANYTHING wrong with Lebanese people whatsoever (I have several friends who are Lebanese - my music teacher from school - who I respect very much - was Lebanese) I'm just using the word "Lebanese" as an easy label to put on those who are in that specific hoony, scary gang culture. As I understand it from the news, most of the gang members that instigated this riot happen to be Lebanese, MANY apologies to any normal, non-violent Lebanese folk! Its not even a race issue IMO, just a conflict between two groups, specifically regarding the ACTIONS and BEHAVIOUR of both sides, which have been totally unexceptable.

I do think that if you came to Australia, you shouldn't go around being rude, aggressive and threatening to everyone! Obviously you're gonna get a reaction sooner of later... then you make it look like its a race thing when its not really - you've just disrespected how Aussie society has been built to be peaceful and respectful for years... its your actions that are unexceptable, not the colour of your skin. I stress again, there has NEVER been any tension from Aussies directed towards any other culture in my lifetime... we've all got along very well so far. I believe you have to behave in a pretty rude, obnoxious, and generally unexceptable way for Aussies to get off the couch, get off the surfboard and become "rascists"! They're catagorising these people into a "race", and acting rascist, but really I think these bogans just want to be able to go to the beach without being told to "**** off our spot!" like I was!
 
Perhaps the one white teenager amongst the rioters should have written the words "We grew here, and then did things like this before you flew here" painted on his back.

Granted, two wrongs don't make a right, but stories like this kind of put stories about a couple of idiots attacking a lifeguard into perspective.
 
James2097
Its not even a race issue IMO, just a conflict between two groups, specifically regarding the ACTIONS and BEHAVIOUR of both sides, which have been totally unexceptable.

Couldn't of said it better, the thing is, it's not like the 'Aussies' are targeting the Lebanese because they are Lebanese, they are just targeting people who happen to be Lebanese. If I knew of any gangs who bashed/killed someone I knew, I'd be pretty pissed too, but if those gangs happen to be Lebanese, how does that mean I'm racist?

I have a Lebanese friend, and I've just seen his new MSN name
"P.T.B.L :Lebanese Pride: ----- {Leboz all da way - We're all together to defend, not wid us u fkn racist ozzys}"
*P.T.B.L stands for Proud To Be Lebanese, I admit, I had to look it up.
Anyway, I'm pretty angry about how he instantly branded all 'Ozzys' racists. I want to have word to him, but I suppose then I'd be a racist....
 
Mike Rotch
I am not so sure aboriginies would agree wholeheartedly with that sentiment.
Indeed, but I'm not sure this is valid in modern Australia. We ARE one of the most successful proponents of multiculturalism in the world, full stop. Every country has a horrid past the present day citizens would rather distance themselves from, the world was much different back then...

For the record I think we should give a formal apology to the Aboriginal community for the wrongs we did in the past. John Howard lacks the balls IMO, and he doesn't want to have to pay compensation - an issue that would definately arise if he mentioned the word "sorry"...
 
The Aboriginal issue is a valid one, but not entirely in line with what's happening now. It's just like the Indian problem in the US, wherein the slight to the native population happened so long ago, it's slipped from the national consciousness.

It's disheartening... France, Australia... who's next? America? In fact, I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet...
 
Everything seems calm tonight. That was unexpected.
 
If you come into another country you have to respect certain things, you can not just rock on in and take over and expect everybody to bow down to you. It sounds like these lebinese gangs were taking over and now the people are fighting back. Its not the right way about it but the simple fact is sometimes its the only thing people understand. Ive gone to many many schools and the amount of racism in school was none!. because we had so many different races, their was no point to being racist becase 3/4 school is different race to you :lol:. Australia isnt racist, granted we have our racist jokes and we make fun of Americians and NZ, but when it comes to the crunch. Who is helping out USA in Iraq, veitnam, WW1 and 2. Who was along side NZ in WWI & II etc etc. I think if your another race and you come to Australia, pretty slim chance you will have much racisim thrown your way simply because our culture is so diverse and made up of many people the same as you.

Im ashamed of whats happening for sure, but you cant put all the blame on Australian's, because as much as the fault lies on the Lebinese gangs.

I basically agree with James 👍

At my last school i had friends from Veitnam, India, Laos, Aboringine, Australian, English, Finland, Somoa, Fiji, New Zealand and other pacific islands and thats just off the top of my head. Apart from the Somoan's thinking their all that (but never did anything :lol: ), we had no troubles, no fights, no tension.
 
I was watching this story on BBC News 24 last night and it really shocked me.

I always thought that Australia is the most laid back place, ever! And that I would love to live there but now I'm not quite sure with this "Australian Pride", maybe that wouldn't cover us Brits.

There was one clip of a man who must of originated from the middle east being took away by police only for an attack to jump through the "security" and start biting the man's leg!! That was truly horrorfying.

The sad thing is it don't look like its gonna calm down anytime soon either.
 
Bee

There was one clip of a man who must of originated from the middle east being took away by police only for an attack to jump through the "security" and start biting the man's leg!! That was truly horrorfying.

I saw that most of the times on tv it showed a few Lebanese being protected by the police from the few thousand protesters?

Now there is small groups of Neo-Nazi's joining in the fray. Great opportunists. It's been noted by the media thankfully. I have to agree with James all the way on the Lebanese gang theory. Around the area I live in (Liverpool) We have 4 main cultures, the Asians, The Islanders, the Lebanese, and the Bosnian/Serbian/Croations.
All live in harmony, except for the Lebanese, there have been countless fights recorded between the Serbians and the Lebanese. There's fights every nights at the Pool joint between the Lebanese and Islanders. It's just a normal thing nowadays to see a Lebanese starting trouble. Strictly speaking though this is a stereotype, and I know that is not the majority. Funny enough that the least expected group was to crack and go crazy.
 
I think alot of people are forgetting this is a issue in a small area of Australia, every country must have atleast one bad area where groups and gangs hang around causing trouble. If I hadnt seen this thread I wouldnt have a clue as to anything that was going on at all.

Please dont judge us from what a group of idiots are doing, I doubt this sort of thing would ever happen in most parts of Australia.
 
It's actually being laughed at around here.

The amount of stupidity they are showing is phenomenal.

Even the Australian gang, the Bra Boys are condemning it.
 
I hope this sort of thing never happens in Canada. Racial tolerance is sort of a high-point here. I'm even at terms with some of my friends where I can outright call them "paki's" and they don't mind because they know I'm kidding. Kind of like the stereotypical black guy saying to another "Yo, what up *****h?"
 
Taurine
You really have no clue. It's just the youngsters that can't hold their booze - it's the same all around the world.

Hahaha. I know, I was joking. But, seriously...it's just a bunch of drunk d-baggery.

I wonder if George Bush will sanction Outback Steakhouses across the nation. This is obviously a display of fanatic, terror-imposing bigotry, and all those affiliated with these wretched down-underererers should be prosecuted on all whims of arabinating and discriminating, as they live on under the pretense of their hate for freedom and shrimp on the barbie.
 
You can keep the shrimp well away from my barbeque.
 
Zardoz
It has. It has happened many times. We have a long history of race rioting.

I mean now, with Arabic youth.

Isolated incident or not, the world press is lapping the Australian riots up... after all, they need something to do since things got quiet in France.

The big problem with this is it may spawn copycat riots.
 
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