Races that are tobacco/non-tobacco at same time?

[MustangSVT]

I've been watching my 2003 F1 review DVD and I noticed there's a couple races that are weird. Some teams have tobacco advertising, some do not (at the same race).

There's 2 examples I know of:

Indy US GP 2003
Ferrari - empty livery (no Marlboro)
Renault - Mild Seven
McLaren - West
BAR - bar code livery or something (not Lucky Strike)

Barcelona GP 2006
Ferrari - checkerboard livery
Renault - Mild Seven

What's up with these races? Was marlboro not allowed to run there or something.

 

[daan]

There's 2 examples I know of:

Indy US GP 2003
Ferrari - empty livery (no Marlboro)

There is some kind of deal in place in the US in that Penske can run with full Marlboro livery and no-one else can.

EDIT: Found this

An interesting twist is the US Grand Prix, where tobacco companies can only sponsor a team in one major race series. The Ferraris ran with the logo obscured, as Marlboro sponsors the Penske Indy car team, but Lucky Strike, B&H and Mild Seven (possibly West, I don't remember) where able to sport their logos.

 

[MustangSVT]

The BAR didn't have Lucky Strike either. I can see the Penske thing, but what about Barcelona, Renault ran with Mild Seven there last year and Ferrari didn't run with Marlboro. Very weird.

 

[Lee]

Is Mild Seven sold in the EU? I know it's a Japanese company but I've never seen them on the shelves at Tesco's..

 

[m7ammed]

Only Blake will have an answer to this , I hope he dose because I want to know lol

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Anti-tobacco sponsorship always seemed a bit of an oxymoron to me. Despite their incredibly low profile, we all know it's Malboro sponsoring the Ferraris, even if it doesn't say it directly. We all knew Benson and Hedges were sponsoring Jordan, even if they played around with it to read "Be On Edge" or the clever "Bitten and Hisses" back when they had the snake nose cone.

Hopefully, tobacco sponsorship will go completely (maybe it has already been given a date to be gone by, I don't know); none of this either/or business.

 

[liam2maps]

We get Mild Seven here in Australia (cig wise) a lot of tourist, it's a nice smoke. Marlboro lights is also a popular choice.

I don't see what's so wrong about tobacco advertising anyways.

 

[Jim Prower]

We get Mild Seven here in Australia (cig wise) a lot of tourist, it's a nice smoke. Marlboro lights is also a popular choice.

I don't see what's so wrong about tobacco advertising anyways.

Trying to keep the kiddies from growing up and getting cancer.

 

[MustangSVT]

Gonna expand on this. I still don't know what the deal with Spanish GP was, but get this.

I was watching my '82 F1 review on TV, and I noticed at British Grand Prix, all tobacco advertising was missing obviously, but at the end near the podium there was a sign that said "Marlboro British Grand Prix" with the Marlboro logo which I thought was funny since no one had tobacco advertising on them.

Also, I find it quite blatant the way Benetton had non-tobacco logos for the non-tobacco races. The "camel" animal logo replaced the word Camel. Isn't that a bit blatant? That's like say you had Gauloises advertising, and for non-tobacco, you would still put that helmet logo they have. In case of Camel, the animal logo is a camel which is the name of the brand, so it's quite possibly the most obvious non-tobacco adverting ever.

 

[daan]

I was watching my '82 F1 review on TV, and I noticed at British Grand Prix, all tobacco advertising was missing obviously, but at the end near the podium there was a sign that said "Marlboro British Grand Prix" with the Marlboro logo which I thought was funny since no one had tobacco advertising on them.

Tobacco advertising was (is, maybe, don't know) still allowed at circuits if it was placed in a position that the TV cameras wouldn't normally see.

I was aware of 2 Marlboro signs at Silverstone that the camera saw practically every single lap. I don't know how they got away with it.

Here is one of them.

That is clearly a "Marlboro F1" sign, and that was in full view of the camera at the end of the hanger straight. (not in full view on the picture as the camera is focussing on the idiot priest guy, not the car.)

 

[Danny]

Hahaha!

That picture makes the man appear to be the safety car.

 

[Takumi Fujiwara]

Bahrain was interesting, as I defenitely saw the Marlboro sponsorship on Ferrari, but no Mild Seven.

...which reminds me, I need to see if I can find West cigarettes in the US somewhere. I used to smoke Mild Sevens all the time, but now that Renault sucks, I want to smoke McLaren's brand!

edit- I'm stupid, Mild Seven and Renault broke up.

Is Ferrari/Marlboro the ONLY team with Tobacco sponsorship now, then?

 

[Aquendwato]

So did West and McLaren. You could drink some Johnny Walker though, it's almost the same.

And in Canada at least the cigarette ad ban wasn't made with F1 in mind; tobacco companies and banned from advertising entirely. Sports sponsorships just happen to fall under this law.

 

[MustangSVT]

Tobacco advertising was (is, maybe, don't know) still allowed at circuits if it was placed in a position that the TV cameras wouldn't normally see.

I never knew this, you learn something new everyday.

Is Ferrari/Marlboro the ONLY team with Tobacco sponsorship now, then?

Yes they are. No more West, Mild Seven, Lucky Strike etc.

 

[chollo9]

This thought came to mind while watching this weekend:

What about broadcast to the no tobacco advertising countries? TV is F1's biggest market, so the Brits, etc. got all of the Marlboro ads today just like the people in the stands. Doesn't really add up when you think about it. X00,000 people in the stands versus Y,000,000 on the box, yet the (somewhat) local restrictions are supposed to matter?

 

[Blake]

The tobacco companies signed up to the International Tobacco Marketing Standards agreement, signed in New York City on September 11, 2001, which created a common code of advertising and sponsorship standards which included an agreement to end sports sponsorships on December 1, 2006 on the understanding that the sports involved required "above-average physical fitness for someone of the age group of those taking part".

Obviously Marlboro doesn’t give F1 drivers much credit for their fitness level.

I think they’re just doing it at Bahrain because it’s not in the EU and there are no local bans on tobacco advertising.