Racing Cars Taboo now?

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RM,LM,Touring, Rally , race cars are really getting no love online. People are quick to say you only won because your using that "raced out car".I dont use these cars as I love production cars!! and some tuners, but dudes in a bunch of thgese rooms are quick to jump on anyone using race cars and tell them street cars only.
 
Its possibly because everyone wants to max out their roadcars, and don't want to have to compete with a car that has a relatively fixed performance curve.

I've not had this problem yet though, and beyond a select few of my cars, most are race cars :/
 
what i find even more hilarious/ironic is that they refuse to race their production cars on anything less than racing soft tires.
 
Most people want a chance to win. So street cars should race street cars. And race cars should race racecars. Sure there are some street cars that can beat some racecars. But I've seen the rooms where everyone is using 750-1000hp street cars and next thing you know one guy pulls out his minolta and just took away everyone's chance to win and it did upset me because then it forces everyone to either loose or drive a group c car that they didn't want to drive at the time just to be competitive.
 
When ever im in a online drag room, i am one of those that hates the race cars and that sort of cars. Street cars only for me.
 
drama-kyd
what i find even more hilarious/ironic is that they refuse to race their production cars on anything less than racing soft tires.
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Haha, this.



I'll mention that next time, like it will make a difference... :dunce:






I usually just set up a room and call it by whatever cars I want to race. If I'm doing street cars only, then that's the name of the room. Le Mans cars, Super GT cars, etc...
 
Well... With race cars, it's not always MAX POWAAAR that will win you the race. Might play a part in this as well.
 
We need a mode where the hosts selects a car and it's the same for everyone.

And the party mode from GT PSP or what was it called, where the game randomly gives cars to the players.
 
Goldrusher
We need a mode where the hosts selects a car and it's the same for everyone.

And the party mode from GT PSP or what was it called, where the game randomly gives cars to the players.
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Isn't that 'Select from Garage' and 'Shuffle' modes?
 
SimonK
This is where the weak online system and lack of a class system really show.
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This isnt call of duty?
You should race your own cars, the ones you love. If someone wants one car for the event, he either specifies it in the title, or he makes everyone choose from the recomended section.
 
There will always be excuses for not winning, other than the other person being the better driver.

LAG!!
You're in a race car.
You're in a tuner car.
You're using a wheel.
Slower traffic held me up.
My car was too heavy.
My grandpa / dad / brother / boyfriend / husband / son distracted me. *
My grandma / mom / sister / girlfriend / wife / daughter distracted me. *
My car wasn't red, which is a faster color.
My dog / cat set my leg on fire.

Then again, if someone joins a room where everyone but them is using a street car... well.

* Hopefully they aren't one in the same person.
 
mani_23
This isnt call of duty?
You should race your own cars, the ones you love. If someone wants one car for the event, he either specifies it in the title, or he makes everyone choose from the recomended section.
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I don't know what you mean by that, I don't play Call Of Duty games. By class system I meant breaking the cars down into categories like Forza does (and I believe GT5P did, i never had it) so that race cars and road cars shouldn't race together, or when they do they should be roughly evenly matched.
 
This is why GT5 needs a more detailed racing class system, so everyone is on the same playing field. If the room says no race cars in the title, then don't use race cars. If it doesn't specify, then it should be fair game.
 
SimonK
I don't know what you mean by that, I don't play Call Of Duty games. By class system I meant breaking the cars down into categories like Forza does (and I believe GT5P did, i never had it) so that race cars and road cars shouldn't race together, or when they do they should be roughly evenly matched.
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Thats why they have limits (eg. 550Hp max, 1300kg min). If they had it so only some cars could race against some cars, people would be whining about why they wont let them race against other cars. Im afraid forzas class system is just as good as these limits that players can apply. Why have a class that includes cars at 500-600hp rather then setting a specific setting you want- yourself. Like 570hp, or 525hp. That way, If someone doesn't have a car at exactly 570hp but instead around 550 hp, they cant make excuses- They were aware that there could be cars at exactly 570 or 565+ hp in the race.

The most significant difference between race and road cars, other then Weight and power, is always suspension, aerodynamics and transmission (Closer/longer gear ratios).

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Since racing cars are already maximized in their performance. Even if the street cars could match their power and weight, its still difficult for them to beat their already fine tuned suspension and aerodynamics without having to install them to their own car first. When somebody limits the room to street cars only, its a fair and easy way of having cars that are biult from the player themselves, or cars that aren't even modified.
 
mani_23
When somebody limits the room to street cars only, its a fair and easy way of having cars that are biult from the player themselves, or cars that aren't even modified.
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How so? Limiting to street cars doesn't ban tuning. Also, race cars are much easier to regulate than road cars. For one, if they're of the same class, they all obey the same race rules, which makes them much more even than road cars. Secondly, there are less upgrades to buy for them, so it's harder to get around a certain set of restrictions.

The way I see it, the rules that the room host lays out determine what's fair or not. If the host doesn't put any limits, bring an X1. If the limit is 300 hp, bring a GT300 car. If the limit is 300 hp road cars only, don't go looking for the rally cars in recommended.
 
If i create a room and say street cars, then obviously race cars not allowed, and there is nothing wrong have racing tires on street cars, i have a set of racing slicks for my car on occasional track days. If you want race cars, then create a room. :)
 
If you know what car to use, the field is actually MORE unbalanced in a street-cars-only setting, IMO. As was mentioned earlier, race cars are actually more regulated than street cars. Consider the Le Mans and Super GT cars, where most of them are only allowed a 3rd stage engine upgrade and turbo kits. Most of the weights are basically the same, or very similar. Yes, you can still regulate those things with street cars, but I still think it's easy to overpower people in that setting regardless.
 
Moved to Online section.

Oh, if only there were a simple, standardized system that would grade all cars based on their overall aerodynamics, power, weight and tires... something that's easy to implement and ensures that at least several cars will be competitive within the same limits... Instead of that single car that's bang on the minimum weight and bang on the maximum power and which just happens to be a race car with downforce, which can't be limited in rooms.

They could call this system... I don't know... Performance Balancing... or Performance... Points? Yes. PP has quite a nice ring to it... :D
 
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Exorcet
How so? Limiting to street cars doesn't ban tuning. Also, race cars are much easier to regulate than road cars. For one, if they're of the same class, they all obey the same race rules, which makes them much more even than road cars. Secondly, there are less upgrades to buy for them, so it's harder to get around a certain set of restrictions.

The way I see it, the rules that the room host lays out determine what's fair or not. If the host doesn't put any limits, bring an X1. If the limit is 300 hp, bring a GT300 car. If the limit is 300 hp road cars only, don't go looking for the rally cars in recommended.
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its not about regulation.
I know it doesn't ban tuning.. But the way I see it, if somebody buys their own parts and have such expertise tuning just right- thats good, and isn't going against "Street cars only".. The problem is, You can have a race car variant that is already been finely tuned, and what not, vs. street cars that people have to tune themselves in order to match up. If I make a room that has maximum 500hp and minimum 1100kg, I could have one guy showing up in a race car with 500hp and 1100kg, and another guy in a street car with 500hp and 1100kg. Does that mean they will be side by side the whole race? No, the race car is a race car, built and expertly tuned for the occasion. If someone has tuned a car (with this 500hp and 1100kg regulation) so great that it matches up to the equivalent race car, then he has obviously done a great job, He worked on it.

The reason I used 'or Stock cars' was because some people also interpret street cars as stock-street cars. So one could mean to bring any car straight from the dealership, not a race car. It could be a supercar, they are street cars, It just needs to be stock.

Thats why for my rooms I use "Stock-street cars".

For fair play, Its easy to just say "bring a stock GT500 car", but when I said fair in my last comment, I meant it like my first paragraph- Its fair if someone brings a car that abides the regulation but has tuned it so thoroughly that he is able to win the race.

Racing drivers are all extremely skilled, so skilled that you shouldn't really say somebodys a bad driver, but instead, someone else is just slightly better then him. So sometimes, Its down to the team itself, the small tuning details that can lead to championship winning teams. Race cars are those cars, Some people want to see people race their own cars.

niky
Moved to Online section.

Oh, if only there were a simple, standardized system that would grade all cars based on their overall aerodynamics, power, weight and tires... something that's easy to implement and ensures that at least several cars will be competitive within the same limits... Instead of that single car that's bang on the minimum weight and bang on the maximum power and which just happens to be a race car with downforce, which can't be limited in rooms.

They could call this system... I don't know... Performance Balancing... or Performance... Points? Yes. PP has quite a nice ring to it... :D
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I actually thought the PP system was the fairest and greatest representation of classing cars. It would be so much easier if they brought it back for online racing. Especially if it could let you customize how many points can go to each section (E.g. aerodynamics, tires, weight)
 
I've got no idea why they did away with the whole PP system. It had some flaws sure, but it was much better than the current system. Tuning parts like racing suspension could just modify the base PP value of the car. Painless and fair. Just another example of massive lack of quality control in GT5. Why bother to make something with such an array of amazing features only to turn around and ruin it with so many obvious blunders? It's so damn frustrating!
 
curtis_boy
RM,LM,Touring, Rally , race cars are really getting no love online. People are quick to say you only won because your using that "raced out car".I dont use these cars as I love production cars!! and some tuners, but dudes in a bunch of thgese rooms are quick to jump on anyone using race cars and tell them street cars only.
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Are you kidding me? every channel I join is filled with decked out race cars. I know, people like to pull their fully modded Civic out of their garage and call it a street car, but once you do body lightening, downforce, adj suspension and maxed hp, with soft slicks its a race car, not street.

I am one of those you speak of that only allows unmodded cars in my lobby, and the title of the lobby states it clearly. :-)

I don't even own any modded cars.

I know I'm definitely in the minority, and usually am just doing laps by myself. Peolpe will join my channel, spin off in a couple of corners and leave.
 
I like to mod my cars and very rarely have one that doesn't have at least the fully customized transmission. Even with real cars I have yet to have one that didn't have some kind of performance enhancement. Just my nature and what I like. If I see a room that has a horsepower limit and no other indication that it is just for stock cars then I will look for a car that has been enhanced and run it. That could be a RM car or a racecar. If they do not want those cars in there then they need to be specific when naming the room. 💡
 
panjandrum
I've got no idea why they did away with the whole PP system. It had some flaws sure, but it was much better than the current system. Tuning parts like racing suspension could just modify the base PP value of the car. Painless and fair. Just another example of massive lack of quality control in GT5. Why bother to make something with such an array of amazing features only to turn around and ruin it with so many obvious blunders? It's so damn frustrating!
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Prologues PP system was criticised a lot and, as you said it had its flaws. But people's biggest complaints were that R3 tyres gave an unfair advantage over say, for example, the corresponding increase in power. Another criticism was that the way power was added and weight taken away was unrealistic, but that's now been done away with. So the only real flaw remaining would be balancing tyres, but with the regulations you can now impose on rooms, it'd surely be fixed?

The thing I liked most about it was how it balanced drivetrains. For example, a 300bhp, 1000kg 4WD car would easily beat a 300bhp, 1000kg FWD car. But it seemed to me that the balance in Prologue was pretty good. It'd also help us balance cars with lots of aerodynamics with street car that don't. It'd create so amazing racing I think, reminiscent of 60's and 70's touring cars.

So, please bring back the PP system!
 
iam only looking for a apart racing start , sample 10 cars first 2 starts and few sec later the next 2 and so on,.. what happens if 16cars start at the same time at nurburgring , yes correctly 7 of them fly out in the first 3 corners so annoying
 
I'm surprised there are so few "street car only" lobbies that have "street tire only" restrictions. Some of the most fun races I have participated in were on sports only tires with any weight/power you wanted. The races were close even between cars with a difference of almost 200hp. The lack of grip really limited how much power each car could handle.
 
RufusGonePunk
Prologues PP system was criticised a lot and, as you said it had its flaws. But people's biggest complaints were that R3 tyres gave an unfair advantage over say, for example, the corresponding increase in power. Another criticism was that the way power was added and weight taken away was unrealistic, but that's now been done away with. So the only real flaw remaining would be balancing tyres, but with the regulations you can now impose on rooms, it'd surely be fixed?

The thing I liked most about it was how it balanced drivetrains. For example, a 300bhp, 1000kg 4WD car would easily beat a 300bhp, 1000kg FWD car. But it seemed to me that the balance in Prologue was pretty good. It'd also help us balance cars with lots of aerodynamics with street car that don't. It'd create so amazing racing I think, reminiscent of 60's and 70's touring cars.

So, please bring back the PP system!
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As long as they take tires out, and just have a restriction for tires then It should be solved.
Otherwise, just a small revision of the points could be equally as effective.
 
The tires issue (though I'm getting fairly off-topic) was partly because of the physics patches, that moved the tire grip values around and ruined the PP balance in that regard. Which was a lot of fun when taking my PP480 Integra with 400 hp and racing slicks up against PP550 street cars at Daytona Road Course. I'd absolutely whale on them in the corners... then lose track of them on oval if they were ever in front of me by that point.

It's not too late... hopefully PD could implement something similar in a future update. But I doubt it.
 

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