Racing in snow.

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Good day, gtplanet.

I´m just wondering, anyone else noticed that a regular rally inspired street car drives like its in tarmac when its on snow, and real rally cars do feel like they are in snow like it should be?

Today I was practicing in chamonix on three rally inspired street cars, to try the Loeb challenge on that same track. The cars: A Lancer, Impreza and a Delta. I was surprised on how much grip they had in snow, that I triple-checked if any on the assists were on, but they were not. I even had to pull the E-Brake really hard to get the rear end loose!

When I got used to the track, I tried the challenge, and to my surprise, the WRC Citroen oversteered even on the straightway and it felt slow. It deffenitly felt like I was on slippery snow. Fortunatly I got gold, but I couln´t stop to ask:

Why did the street cars ignored the fact that they were in snow, and a WRC car couldn´t stay straight for one second? I don´t think it was the tyres, since there is only one type to choose. And the assists were off on both cases.

You guys have had the same problem? Is there something I´m missing? Because its really anoying not to have the same physics for practice than the one you have for racing or challenges. Do you guys think this might be a bug? I didn´t want to post there because like I said, it might be something I´m missing.

Cheers:)

Editing: Let me add that its not acctually the oversteering of the cars. The point is, that the WRC Citroen on the challenge felt very realistic. It had a hard time gaining speed due to the loosen snow, did incredible power slides on long turns, etc. With the street cars on practice, it felt like there was no snow at all, except for the noise of the road, the vibrations, and the white clouds shooting from the rear. I´m even sure I did better times with the street cars.
 
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Hmm...well I haven't really experienced any differences in physics when driving rally cars vs non rally cars, I have noticed that the physics feel different in drifting mode and non drifting mode, and I believe someone else noticed that in a thread somewhere around here....

I suspect your issues come from the setup of the cars. What have you done to those cars? The snow tires are pretty grippy in the snow...
 
Hmm...well I haven't really experienced any differences in physics when driving rally cars vs non rally cars, I have noticed that the physics feel different in drifting mode and non drifting mode, and I believe someone else noticed that in a thread somewhere around here....

I suspect your issues come from the setup of the cars. What have you done to those cars? The snow tires are pretty grippy in the snow...

Bone stock when it comes to suspension, weight reductions and aerodynamics. Only racing air filter and sports cat-converter. Thats why I´m a little bit confused. They even accelarate like they were on tarmac.
 
Bone stock when it comes to suspension, weight reductions and aerodynamics. Only racing air filter and sports cat-converter. Thats why I´m a little bit confused. They even accelarate like they were on tarmac.

I know I couldn't get anything to slide too much in the slow until I really spent some cash on it...but check out the P/W ratio of the rally car compared to the normal cars, maybe there really just isn't enough power?
 
I know I couldn't get anything to slide too much in the slow until I really spent some cash on it...but check out the P/W ratio of the rally car compared to the normal cars, maybe there really just isn't enough power?

I don´t think that´s the case. These cars feel quicker and as if they were sticked to the road. When in reality, the street cars being more heavy, less balanced and in the case of the Evo X, more powerfull than the WRC Citroen, should handle terrible compared to the well balanced and lighter racing Citroen. It just does´nt make sense. Even the 200HP Delta feels quicker. Too bad I got rid of the Citroen that I just got for completing the Loeb challange, to compare it with the regular cars in practice mode.
 
The Citroen rally car oversteers in the challege because the center diff is set to something like 30/70 power front/rear. I changed it on the settings dial on my dfgt to 50/50 and it didnt push the tail out on straights.
 
I don´t think that´s the case. These cars feel quicker and as if they were sticked to the road. When in reality, the street cars being more heavy, less balanced and in the case of the Evo X, more powerfull than the WRC Citroen, should handle terrible compared to the well balanced and lighter racing Citroen. It just does´nt make sense. Even the 200HP Delta feels quicker. Too bad I got rid of the Citroen that I just got for completing the Loeb challange, to compare it with the regular cars in practice mode.

I went back and tried out my WRX... and you're definitely right. It does feel way more grippy than the WRC Citroen. I only have one more thing to try before completely accepting that they are different, but I don't think it will make much of a difference...
 
I went back and tried out my WRX... and you're definitely right. It does feel way more grippy than the WRC Citroen. I only have one more thing to try before completely accepting that they are different, but I don't think it will make much of a difference...

Impreza is more grippy, i also noticed that. I lapped stock impreza wrx 2010 just 3 seconds slower than C4 rally car at eiger nordwand (the one in the loeb challenge). Imagine the asskicking if i actually TUNED one!
 
The feeling on snow is actually very different. I've just tried the C4 WRC on the exact same track in arcade mode and in practice in GT life and it was a whole different thing. It seems that in arcade mode, the GT rally (special events), and practice mode, the cars slide more on gravel than on snow... what the hell.
 
You guys should know, that the special challenge on Charmonix against Sebastian Loeb is on a ice-like surface. But it is the only event with this surface... very tricky and slippy.

If you race the track in practice or Arcade-mode with the same car, you will have a snow surface with much more grip and a very different exprience. The tracks on ALASKA-snow are like a deep snow ground with most grip.
 
I don´t think that´s the case. These cars feel quicker and as if they were sticked to the road. When in reality, the street cars being more heavy, less balanced and in the case of the Evo X, more powerfull than the WRC Citroen, should handle terrible compared to the well balanced and lighter racing Citroen. It just does´nt make sense. Even the 200HP Delta feels quicker. Too bad I got rid of the Citroen that I just got for completing the Loeb challange, to compare it with the regular cars in practice mode.

Less weight is good on dry tarmac. I think more weight would help the car dig into the snow more. That's why the snow tires are always skinnier than the normal tires. The same is also true in the rain which is why more body roll is allowed on rain setups. The more weight you put on a wheel, the harder it is for it to hydroplane.
 
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