Racing Soft Tyres vs. Online Racing

[DolHaus]

I've noticed recently that a lot of online lobbies only seem to run Racing Soft tyres.
Often the cars are relatively low power and the tyres seem like overkill. What is the thinking behind this? What happened to running appropriate tyres for appropriate cars?
I'm merely curious so please don't think of this as an attack if this is your preference, I just don't understand why everyone seems to be doing it.

 

[Onboy123]

It's just carried over from GT5, I think. The mindset then was "we want to win, to do that we need to be the fastest so let's use the grippiest tires to get us there quicker". I might have condensed it a bit too much, but that's what it seems like.

Of course, there's also "we're racing so using racing tires for a race seems natural" that we have to consider as well, and there's some who'd say "we want to fight other drivers in a race, not our own cars" and such…and that's all the reasons I can think of off the top of my head, but I'm sure there's more. With GT6's racing compounds giving us enough grip to roll the car though, I tend to not bother with RS tires anymore.

Though we could probably do a shootout where we have to take a street car of our choice and tune it to handle the RS tires, he who remains upright wins!

 

[wutang4ever]

The plethora of ~450pp. "Real street cars RS" rooms has kept me replaying career and running time trials offline. If we can put these unrealistic tires on all cars then I should also be allowed to put dirt and snow tires on every car and rally race a Murcielago. The little bit of time I have spent in open lobbies I keep the limit at SH or even CS in hopes of getting some purists looking to actually simulate streetcars, it becomes quite apparent within the first two corners who only races with RS as they are all over the track and quit the room.

 

[DolHaus]

It just seems like an odd way to limit yourselves, the idea that soft tyres are faster is a little redundant in racing terms. If a driver is half a second faster than you on sports tyres, they're still going to be half a second faster on RS tyres except that now they're much less likely to make a mistake and allow you to catch up.
I don't race much online because I have a weak connection that causes lag, but I keep getting tuning requests for RS tyres. I try to turn them down because I prefer to tune cars to a realistic standard and racing tyres on a low power street car does not fit that agenda. I wonder if I'm just being a purist sometimes, but I find that it kind of makes certain aspects of tuning pointless and therefore a waste of time from my perspective (what's the point in tuning a diff if the car doesn't have the power to ever break traction?)

 

[rams1de]

Maybe the idea is to reduce wrecked races by using cars that are easy to control.

When our club was founded (GBRC at GTArena.com), racing tyres were used to help keep the racing clean and to allow inexperienced and experienced gamers to race together. Once everyone's skill level improved, the tyre choices were changed for something more realistic.

 

[killerjimbag]

I understand the question. But in hindsight I'd take RS on a 450 pp car over driving aides any day.

 

[DolHaus]

Maybe the idea is to reduce wrecked races by using cars that are easy to control.

When our club was founded (GBRC at GTArena.com), racing tyres were used to help keep the racing clean and to allow inexperienced and experienced gamers to race together. Once everyone's skill level improved, the tyre choices were changed for something more realistic.

That seems like a fair and reasoned way of doing things

 

[DolHaus]

I understand the question. But in hindsight I'd take RS on a 450 pp car over driving aides any day.

Its kind of like the same thing though, putting super grippy tyres on an underpowered car has the same basic effect as TCS + SRF. Where do you make the distinction between the two?

 

[Johnnypenso]

I think most players use RS to give them the feeling they are fast and it's easy to drive fast. Thing is, even on RS tires, most drivers are still 1-4 seconds off the pace so the racing isn't any closer, and because they utilize shorter braking distances and higher cornering speeds, the racing isn't any cleaner, the opposite usually.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

RS tires were popular since GT5 days, used to do wangan battle at SSR7, using my Devil Z ( 600+HP 240Z Twin Turbo ) on CS tire against wangan racers around same PP on RS tire, more often I won on 1 lap battle - they tend to break under pressure on the turn before 2nd tunnel Once I beaten a racer driving a hybrid 1000+HP R34 on RS using my AMS Alpha 9 replica on CS tire on SSR7 - more like draft battle from 2nd tunnel to finish line.

I don't mind people using RS tires, sometimes it's fun to beat them on lesser tire when doing wangan battle.

 

[sadman1983]

Should be used only on racing cars.Don t like roadcars with them.

 

[DolHaus]

Should be used only on racing cars.Don t like roadcars with them.

I agree, I think tyres should be relative to performance.

 

[Johnnypenso]

RS tires were popular since GT5 days, used to do wangan battle at SSR7, using my Devil Z ( 600+HP 240Z Twin Turbo ) on CS tire against wangan racers around same PP on RS tire, more often I won on 1 lap battle - they tend to break under pressure on the turn before 2nd tunnel Once I beaten a racer driving a hybrid 1000+HP R34 on RS using my AMS Alpha 9 replica on CS tire on SSR7 - more like draft battle from 2nd tunnel to finish line.

I don't mind people using RS tires, sometimes it's fun to beat them on lesser tire when doing wangan battle.

There are certain kinds of tracks where if RS tires are available, you pretty much have to use them to be even close to competitive. They are known as "tracks with corners" There's just too big of a performance gap between tires to be competitive against even a pilot of average skill by going down a tire grade.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

There are certain kinds of tracks where if RS tires are available, you pretty much have to use them to be even close to competitive. They are known as "tracks with corners" There's just too big of a performance gap between tires to be competitive against even a pilot of average skill by going down a tire grade.

That's why I like to do wangan battle races at SSR7, giving other driver pressure on the high speed curves, draft battle on the tunnel and see who's got the bigger balls braking into the tight corners on each end of the track They were mostly friendly battle during free run, so it's not the same situation in standing start races or tracks with many corners.

 

[DolHaus]

Please don't take this as a way of saying RS tyres are bad, they give you the most grip and the fastest lap times as a result. You will never be able to keep up with an equally talented driver through the corners if they are on higher grip tyres, that's just simple physics (more grip = higher cornering speed = faster lap times).
All I'm suggesting is that you impose tyre limits in lobbies to keep the racing interesting. There is a reason why career races are set out this way, it keeps it semi realistic and more challenging from a tuning and racing perspective.

 

[Thorin Cain]

Hi @DolHaus, remember that this is a game that is enjoyed by a hugely diverse group of gamers from all walks of life, all ages and abilities. So invariably there will be a big difference in experience levels and the best way to ensure that all kinds are catered for in on-line lobbies is to allow people to use whatever kind of tyre they want.
If I run any open rooms I allow all aids and unlimited tyre choice. It cuts down on the amount of people coming in and going straight back out again, so you actually get to race against more new people and get more of a chance to find people who can give you a challenge.

You can always limit yourself and use cars bellow the pp levels as this is a better way to do it than using harder compounds. As @Johnnypenso said, there is just way to much of a performance differential between the tyres to be competitive on the majority of tracks. I'm sure we all have a few cars that punch way above their weight that we can use instead.

 

[DolHaus]

Hi @DolHaus, remember that this is a game that is enjoyed by a hugely diverse group of gamers from all walks of life, all ages and abilities. So invariably there will be a big difference in experience levels and the best way to ensure that all kinds are catered for in on-line lobbies is to allow people to use whatever kind of tyre they want.
If I run any open rooms I allow all aids and unlimited tyre choice. It cuts down on the amount of people coming in and going straight back out again, so you actually get to race against more new people and get more of a chance to find people who can give you a challenge.

You can always limit yourself and use cars bellow the pp levels as this is a better way to do it than using harder compounds. As @Johnnypenso said, there is just way to much of a performance differential between the tyres to be competitive on the majority of tracks. I'm sure we all have a few cars that punch way above their weight that we can use instead.

Yeah fair enough mate, I can see your point. I guess its all down to personal preference and ability, I just fear a lack of development if people only ever race one (slightly OP) tyre. I suppose its a lack of an online progression system that allows this to keep happening. Its kind of like if COD had all the weapons and perks available from the offset, everybody would pick the best guns and perks and it removes any sense of achievement or any learning curve throughout their playing career.

 

[Thorin Cain]

I'm with you on the sentiment!

I think that is why the career mode has been structured the way it has been this time though. It means that everyone has to learn to use the other tyres, they can't just fly through the game in way overpowered cars(Well, not so much!) on super sticky rubber anymore. That is a good thing:tup:
But unfortunately on-line games are always going to be about; Who has the best? for some and, More about the fun! for others. But in the meantime, fight them at their own game and win

 

[DolHaus]

Its an uphill struggle, RS are pretty much unbeatable on any other tyre. I suppose its the way of the world, everyone wants the best gear but no one is prepared to work for it.

 

[raven214]

I can't really wrap my head around RS. I like to keep tires realistic to the car. I typically put racing tires on any car that I see as a race car, but only RH and then maybe RM for LMP's and such. RS has too much grip for my tastes, and when the room is running RS plus wear off (as they always do) it just feels like we've gone to the arcades... might as well break out the Red Bull cars and the jet packs at that point. 👎

 

[JLG_GT]

I am in the same belief with the tire situation. I prefer a gradual line of PPs to sets of tires.

My preference in an online setting would be along the lines of:

Street Cars:
Up to 450 Comfort Soft
450-550 Sport Hards
550+ Sport Softs

Race Cars:
550-600 Racing Hards
600+ Racing Medium/Soft

Not too extreme on either side in my opinion. I have a lobby with those tire restrictions with a track vote and then decide to do a street only race or race car only race. Then pick a PP. Only I dont care for being the host usually.

However, I do racing with no tire limits more so because the group is a good time . And then I enjoy hardcore tire limits in other rooms. I had to adapt alot of street cars to RS tires which has limited my selection when in those rooms.

I guess it depends how much focus I am in the mood for...

 

[dc1]

When I got gt6 I made a deal with myself. To keep the game fun and challenging I would NEVER use racing tires on street cars, and never use anything but racing hard tires on race cars. I have held to that so far and I have become a better driver because of it.

 

[kleefton]

I only use RS tires. It's just faster. Period. In real life I race a Civic and I only run slicks on track days. Because it is faster, Period. It's all about going as fast as I can.
I hate it when someone joins a RS room and complains that everyone is using RS. Uh....Create your own room or go somehere else?
People are different and choose to do things differently in life. Just accept it. You've got people who are obsessed with using a slower tire because they think it makes them a better driver, well more power to them. But as soon as they swap on racing soft they are slow as hell. Why? Because it takes a different type of skill to be fast on RS. You need to trust that the car will grip and use racing lines that let you utilize that grip. To me it's fun, and more fun than drifting endlessly on those noisy and god awful sport tires.

Thanks for reading.

 

[MAXXI]

I agree with that written by kleefton . In real life sport tyres are usual but GT6 is a game with insane power motors and this means RACE TYRES.....

bye

 

[JackWilson]

I don't like to use rs tyres on low powered cars. But when I have done, maybe once or twice, I really enjoyed it because of how well the car handles.

 

[KiroKai]

I only use RS tires. It's just faster. Period. In real life I race a Civic and I only run slicks on track days. Because it is faster, Period. It's all about going as fast as I can.
I hate it when someone joins a RS room and complains that everyone is using RS. Uh....Create your own room or go somehere else?
People are different and choose to do things differently in life. Just accept it. You've got people who are obsessed with using a slower tire because they think it makes them a better driver, well more power to them. But as soon as they swap on racing soft they are slow as hell. Why? Because it takes a different type of skill to be fast on RS. You need to trust that the car will grip and use racing lines that let you utilize that grip. To me it's fun, and more fun than drifting endlessly on those noisy and god awful sport tires.

Thanks for reading.

Fair enough, but people mainly criticise racing tyres for tolerating too many mistakes thus being the easiest way of driving and the go-to choice for noobs. While the extra grip may require a different driving style, it is certainly not a more realistic way of driving, especially in a street car. It's mainly less challenging than more realistic grades of tyres and requires less precision or control of the car since the game sorts out mistakes for you by giving you artificial grip you wouldn't have in a real car. Which, just like the unreal Skid Recovery Force, kinda defeats the purpose of the game to simulate driving as realistic as possible, doesn't it?

 

[FussyFez]

Whilst many of us look for realism, alot just look for fun.

Whilst sliding around might be fun for me, others might find endless grip fun.

To each their own I suppose.

I'll race on any tyre if the competition it good enough to keep things fun.

Some cars will still slide about on RS, you just need to be super aggressive.

I think most players use RS to give them the feeling they are fast and it's easy to drive fast. Thing is, even on RS tires, most drivers are still 1-4 seconds off the pace so the racing isn't any closer, and because they utilize shorter braking distances and higher cornering speeds, the racing isn't any cleaner, the opposite usually.

This is especially true.

8/10 RS rooms I entered in gt5, I would still be faster than 90% of the people in the lobby. They are going fast, but not pushing them to the limits.. They're having fun though, so it's up to them.

I stick soft tyres on when my Mrs has a go, because she gets frustrated if there is 'no grip'. She needs grip to have fun. She likes to throw the car into the corner and lean on the grip, rather than dance through the corner on the edge of traction, how I get my kicks, even in race cars on slicks.

 

[Nomad67]

RS tires were popular since GT5 days, used to do wangan battle at SSR7, using my Devil Z ( 600+HP 240Z Twin Turbo ) on CS tire against wangan racers around same PP on RS tire, more often I won on 1 lap battle - they tend to break under pressure on the turn before 2nd tunnel Once I beaten a racer driving a hybrid 1000+HP R34 on RS using my AMS Alpha 9 replica on CS tire on SSR7 - more like draft battle from 2nd tunnel to finish line.

I don't mind people using RS tires, sometimes it's fun to beat them on lesser tire when doing wangan battle.

I would just add, a lot of tuners, and I've noticed your tunes as well, using RS upsets the balance of the car to the specific tune. Using a tire with less grip can in fact be an advantage pending the tune. I mean this is a sim game and a getting it as close as possible to realism is what its all about IMO...that's not to say RS don't have their purpose of course.