RE5 Ps3 demo Vs. xbox360

[danjama]

Does anyone know why i cant find the RE5 demo on PSN store anymore?

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Robert- you might want to check in the Display Setting on our PS3- change the RGB Full Range (HDMI) to Full. It's one way to obtain better contrast on the screen.

Noooooo... well not unless you are using a PC monitor that uses full range RGB.

If you are using a HDTV, if you set the RGB output to full all you are doing is cutting off the high and low end of the RGB range!!!

You want to always match the RGB range of the source to the display. So for all but a few of the PC monitors that have full range RGB displays you want to make sure you set the RGB range on the PS3 to limited.

Also, don't get fooled by the term "full" and "limited"... limited in no way means you are not seeing the total RGB range of the source material. It's there simply to make sure you pair the source player (in this case the PS3) with the display appropriately so that the RGB range match.

Yes, while it may make it appear as though your contrast looks "better" when you switch from limited to full, it is however just an illusions because it is clipping off critical video data.

When used on an HDTV display, set the RGB output to limited and do an appropriate calibration and you'll get the best picture possible. Setting it to Full will only clip the image.

Does anyone know why i cant find the RE5 demo on PSN store anymore?

What regional store are you looking at? I just checked the NA PSN store and it's still there.

 

[vr6wantsr20det]

Robert- you might want to check in the Display Setting on our PS3- change the RGB Full Range (HDMI) to Full. It's one way to obtain better contrast on the screen.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the Suggestion but as Digital-Nitrate said i've read a bunch of threads debating weather the RGB should be "full" or "limited". I have tested both and for me the "limited" did turn out the better looking graphics of the 2 options.

Does anyone know if the "cross-color reduction filter" (can't remember if thats the exact name of the option) makes a noticeable difference? I have tried switching it on/off and was not able to notice a difference in picture quality.

Also on my T.V. setting i have the viewing size set to "Just Scan"(which claims to be the native size of the game/movie). It seems when i choose the 16:9 ratio that it cuts off a little bit of the picture around the edges.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

I see your point. Does everyone else change the display settings when changing one disc to another? I am personally not that anal about it. It seems as far as ps3 games go, the settings i have for MGS4, and the settings for Tomb Raider: Underworld, LBP, Socom etc. all look the best to me at the same settings. Same goes for my xbox360 set-up. So i don't tailor the t.v./system settings for Each individual game. I will be honest, i'm way too lazy to go through that.

Do you guys find youself adjusting the t.v./system settings when playing differnet games? I do not, since when setting the t.v. up i usually sample a few games and the one setting works best for them. In the end it's not a big deal. If others are custom tailoring their t.v./systems to specific games then i can definatley see why the opinion of it differs. 👍

Frankly you are taking this to the extreme. I never suggested that you are anyone else should recalibrate their display settings for each and every different game, movie, TV show... that would in deed be quite extreme.

However, if someone is complaining because an image looks to dark, or to bright, or the color is "off", then they should at least try and fix it with even just the easy basic display settings on their TV instead of just complaining about it, or worse yet, make posts to imply the problem is that the game, movie, or TV show looks bad.

In some ways it reminds me of a stereotype couch potato who can't find his remote and instead of getting up and manually changing the channels, they'll watch a show they don't even like and then bitch about it.

If graphics and video quality are important to you, then yes, you need to take the time to properly calibrate each video input (composite, S-Video, component, SCART, VGA, DVI, HDMI, etc) and more importantly, each source (antennae, cable box, satellite receiver, DVR, DVD player, Blu-ray player, console, etc). And as said before, even then, there sill often be differences in specific content (games, movies, TV shows, etc) that to see them at their best, one would have to at least take a few seconds to fine tune their picture settings... and if not... then at least they shouldn't be complaining about it.

That said, there are times where it is important to me, and thus I will calibrate the settings, and there are times I could care less... and I don't.

 

[vr6wantsr20det]

I think people are mistaken in how "big" or "serious" a problem this is. It's just a game which is a great and fun way to pass spare time. I wasn't trying to do a full review between them. Just what i noticed. My xbox and ps3 on the comp0nent and hdmi sources are set-up to my personal liking that works best for ALL of the games i have, play and will play(component source has different settings than HDMI but very similar). It started off as a quick comparison to see which one looked better. When i noticed the big difference in picture i did start changing the t.v. and ps3 settings. Now the biggest problem was that initially my ps3 ONLY had the 1080p Resolution clicked, so at 720p it looked horrible. So i switched it to automatic (and manually clicked all supported HD resolutions by the t.v). That mad a BIG difference, the comparison between the 2 became a lot less, but still visually noticeable. And i did try messing with some of the colors/contrast etc but i couldn't get them as close as people have shown through screen shot links in this thread.

The xbox360 version has darker dark, and brighter brights which helps with the definition of the scenery in my opinion and to me it looks better. I am not saying the ps3 demo looks bad, it looks great, but comparing the 2, on my t.v. there is a noticeable difference. I did a quick comparison for my brother and friend that was over yesterday just to see if i am infact crazy, and they both picked out the xbox360 demo to be the better of the 2. They didn't even know i was switching between systems, they thought i was messing with the t.v. settings .

So it's definately not the case where i would normally be changing settings, but since i've gotten a lot of feedback here, to be "fair" i did change them around to get the best picture. Noone has actually posted here that they have tried both (assuming they had an xbox and ps3). Thats what i was kind of hoping for to see if someone in the same boat had the same experience.

-You are 100% correct on set-up and calibration. It's like throwing a bigger turbocharger on a car without the proper tunning of injectors and a/f ratios, or throwing on stiffer springs to lower a car without adjusting or changing the valving of the shocks. You just won't get the best performance it has to offer.

-Robert 👍

 

[danjama]

What regional store are you looking at? I just checked the NA PSN store and it's still there.

Hi mate, i am a PAL user and couldnt see it anywhere, is was on the front page a few days back and now its not even in the a-z.

Any other way i can find it?

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Hi mate, i am a PAL user and couldnt see it anywhere, is was on the front page a few days back and now its not even in the a-z.

Any other way i can find it?

Interesting... maybe they are about to release a new version of the demo like they did for MotorStorm 2?

You can always just create a NA PSN account and download it. It's very fast and easy to create multiple regional accounts. 👍

 

[myke6699]

Noooooo... well not unless you are using a PC monitor that uses full range RGB.

If you are using a HDTV, if you set the RGB output to full all you are doing is cutting off the high and low end of the RGB range!!!

You want to always match the RGB range of the source to the display. So for all but a few of the PC monitors that have full range RGB displays you want to make sure you set the RGB range on the PS3 to limited.

Also, don't get fooled by the term "full" and "limited"... limited in no way means you are not seeing the total RGB range of the source material. It's there simply to make sure you pair the source player (in this case the PS3) with the display appropriately so that the RGB range match.

Yes, while it may make it appear as though your contrast looks "better" when you switch from limited to full, it is however just an illusions because it is clipping off critical video data.

When used on an HDTV display, set the RGB output to limited and do an appropriate calibration and you'll get the best picture possible. Setting it to Full will only clip the image.






What regional store are you looking at? I just checked the NA PSN store and it's still there.

Actually there are a few HDTV sets that supports Full range RGB- my Sharp Aquos (LC-32D64U) being one of them. There used to be a list of HDTV sets with full range RGB on the Playstation forum but I couldn't find it. The screenshots of RE5 demo was taken with Full range RGB.
You might also want to check out Eurogamer PC/PS3/360 shootout for the game F.E.A.R. 2 here.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Actually there are a few HDTV sets that supports Full range RGB- my Sharp Aquos (LC-32D64U) being one of them. There used to be a list of HDTV sets with full range RGB on the Playstation forum but I couldn't find it.

Very few do, thus the reason not to suggest it without knowing, and I have never heard of an HDTV Aquos model that had it. I checked Sharp's own spec and see no mention of it. How did you confirm this to be true?

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

If your images changes when selecting RGB Full Range, then your HDTV does NOT support it. You should not see a drastic change in your black levels. Unfortunately, a lot of folks think that means their HDTVs "support" RGB Full. It looks terrible, and essentially ruins any shadow detail in a game (just like each and every single 360 game on the market).

Some folks with untrained eye's prefer this (as the OP has shown). I most certainly hate the image quality of the 360 when it comes to shadow detail and black crush. The system absolutely cannot create a life like image, be it movies or videogames. Blacks are so crushed a "dark area" often turns out to be just that, pitch black. Oblivion was the first game I noticed the huge difference in (can't see a thing underground in Oblivion 360 w/out a torch).

 

[myke6699]

Very few do, thus the reason not to suggest it without knowing, and I have never heard of an HDTV Aquos model that had it. I checked Sharp's own spec and see no mention of it. How did you confirm this to be true?

Here's something from PS3 guide page:

RGB Limited/Full Option when using HDMI connection
If you are using a HDMI connection, the digital signal is better than the analog RGBHV in VGA (the PS3 does not support RGBHV, nor VGA connections). Because of the digital HDMI connection, analog problems associated with values less than 16 and values greater than 235 in TV do not exist. This meant you can output the full 0-255 primary color values to your HDTV untouched if it supports HDMI 1.3, and you also turn on RGB Full option in the PS3. The RGB Limited option was created to allow the PS3 to output to earlier HDTV displays that followed BT.709 in HDMI 1.2 protocol, which do not or could not support displaying 0-15 and 236-255 primary color values. Since these earlier BT.709 HDTV displays would not normally handle 0-15 and 236-255 values anyways, the PS3 scales or cuts out those values in the content before passing them to the HDTV. This is expecially important for compatibility with PS3 Games and XMB, as the RSX sRGB color space had 0-255 primary color values, which would cause problems in these displays.

The best thing is try- if it the games or movies look better without removing details in the dark areas, then by all means, set it to full.