School Bully

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gundalini
Has any one seen this video?

Warning may offend some viewers.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...er-fighting-back/story-e6freuzi-1226022076411

This made big news today where I live. It featured in the papers, on radio and on tv.

According to reports the big kid that fought back has been bullied all his school life and looks like he's finally had enough. Both the kids were suspended from school for four days.
I've got a couple of questions. Personally I don't condone violence.

Do you think the bullied kid was justified in his reponse?
Do you think the school took the correct action in suspending both kids?

I was always tought as a kid (i'm 37) never ever start a fight or to go looking for for trouble but to defend myself if it was required.

Bullying in schools concerns me greatly as I school age kids of my own.

Thoughts?

Cheers Shaun.
 
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The bitch deserved it. You know I'm really against violence, but sometimes it's the right thing.
I was for years victim of such low-lifes. My young cousin (now 14), I always told him just to punch them directly in the face, it's no biggie, kids are not that strong, and the teeth will grow again.
He followed my advice and to this day he won every fight and has no problem at all with others, others are afraid of him, or how society says: "respect" him.
 
Well, violence isn't exactly something I'd recommend falling back on, at all.
But, sometimes, it's the only way you've got. There are a few people that won't understand anything but a proper punch in the face, as sad as it may be...

Also, people knowing you're not just putting up with their crap without retaliating is going to make them think twice about messing with you in the first place.
Actually, that's the way it always is, even in business life - it's of course not about hitting people in the face anymore, but still...
 
I used to get bullied all the time (being skinny) but the easiest way to fix it is simply to have one time where you will snap like that. I did it in my first year at this school, in year 8 (year 11 now) and nobody has gone so far as to make me rage anymore. I gave the idiot a black eye and a blood nose, all fixed. The thing is, while it isnt the preferred option, sometimes the only way they will learn is to take some of it back themselves.

Corey would have just acted on rage at the time but now he will see, it will pay off.
 
I think the other kids egging on the bully and the kid recording it should all be suspended, as 'accessories' for lack of a better term. The kid who got dumped on his arse should be expelled and the matter reported to the police as he clearly committed assault. I have no sympathy for him at all.

I feel sorry for the kid being picked on not just because he was a victim of bullying, but every wannabe tough guy in school will try to get him to fight them now ("You think you're so tough beating up a kid 3 years younger than you, let's see how tough you are against me")
 
Is the definitely for real? That looked very staged to me. In any case, the school has done the right thing in suspending them both.
 
ASH32
Is the definitely for real? That looked very staged to me. In any case, the school has done the right thing in suspending them both.
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It was real. Kids recording fights and bullying is becoming a big problem in Australia right now.
 
somebody
It was real. Kids recording fights and bullying is becoming a big problem in Australia right now.
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Not only Australia. It has been going on for a while in Germany as well. There are certain groups of kids (or rather, teenagers and young adults) that have been becoming increasingly violent over the last few years, to the point where giving them a single strange look (or just not looking away) will be enough of a reason for them to start a fight.
 
ASH32
Is the definitely for real? That looked very staged to me. In any case, the school has done the right thing in suspending them both.
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Are you kidding me?? :odd: I'll tell you right now that the school is in the wrong for suspending Casey (that's the big kids name), a 16yr old kid who for lack of a better word is a nerd. He had been picked on for years at the school (which is Chifley College in St Marys, which is a rough as guts area in Western Sydney anyway!), to the point that kids in lower grades (the instigator was in Year 7, which makes him 12 or 13!) are picking on this kid.

The fact he finally had enough and struck back doesn't make him a bad kid and shouldn't have been suspended for it at all. If anything, he should be now taking civil action against the school and the education department for failing to meet their duty of care for so long.
 
Luminis
Well, violence isn't exactly something I'd recommend falling back on, at all.
But, sometimes, it's the only way you've got. There are a few people that won't understand anything but a proper punch in the face, as sad as it may be...
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This pretty much sums up my sentiments.

somebody
It was real. Kids recording fights and bullying is becoming a big problem in Australia right now.
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Sadly it's not a new trend, I left school 21 years ago and it was happening then as well. Only now it seems to have gotten worse, horrible as it sounds with the recording of it it's almost as if some kids seem to be treating it as a game, a sport almost if you like. 👎

Cheers Shaun.
 
mafia_boy
Are you kidding me?? :odd: I'll tell you right now that the school is in the wrong for suspending Casey (that's the big kids name), a 16yr old kid who for lack of a better word is a nerd. He had been picked on for years at the school (which is Chifley College in St Marys, which is a rough as guts area in Western Sydney anyway!), to the point that kids in lower grades (the instigator was in Year 7, which makes him 12 or 13!) are picking on this kid.

The fact he finally had enough and struck back doesn't make him a bad kid and shouldn't have been suspended for it at all. If anything, he should be now taking civil action against the school and the education department for failing to meet their duty of care for so long.
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They probably didn't want to suspend him, but when he did what he did they really had no choice. His actions were understandable, but not justified. What if he had slammed the bully on his head, he could have caused some serious damage or maybe even killed him. Like it or not the bully has the same right of protection as the kid who was being bullied.

The suspensions also give the school a little bit of time to talk to everyone involved and think on how they are going to resolve this problem, because it won't just go away.
 
gundalini
Only now it seems to have gotten worse, horrible as it sounds with the recording of it it's almost as if some kids seem to be treating it as a game, a sport almost if you like. 👎
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That's pretty much what I think as well. To some folks, it seems to be a hobby or something. And I'm not even talking about bullying at school, but a group of four to five guys sending someone to the hospital...

Seriously, if you want to be safe if you're out on your own nowadays, you'd better know some sort of self defense techniques or have an impressive figure.
 
Personally I think the bully is an idiot for picking on someone who is clearly at least twice his size. Why he didn't think this through is beyond me.

But I'll be the odd one out and say that this Casey fellow's suspension is justified. I'm sure this school has a zero tolerance policy. That means anyone involved is punished, doesn't matter who struck first. And I personally believe that violence is never the answer. In elementary school, I was involved in a peer intervention group. If anyone had a beef with someone, we always had them meet up, and we would discuss it. I was involved with the program for two years, and we had a hugely high success rate.

Or he could've just did what Arnold did:
 
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I say good for Casey. He stood there and took a punch to the head and didn't strike back, clearing showing that he didn't want to fight. The little punk continued to taunt him and wanted a reaction from Casey. Little kid got what he deserved. After the bodyslam Casey immediately backed off. He only did what he had to do to protect himself. Casey could've killed (literally) him if he wanted to but he only did enough to end the situation. I don't think the school is right in suspending Casey but I understand they had no choice.
 
astrosdude91
In elementary school, I was involved in a peer intervention group. If anyone had a beef with someone, we always had them meet up, and we would discuss it. I was involved with the program for two years, and we had a hugely high success rate.
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That sounds like a good program, worth trying for sure. 👍
I was always taught that self defense is the absolute last restort and only to use when physically threatend, ie punched.

The thing is unfortunatly some people just won't listen no matter how much you try to talk and reason with them. I know this was the case while I went to school. As I said previously that was a long time ago (actually before you were born :ouch:.)

As an example of the differences of the times let me tell you a story and believe me it's true. I don't condone it by the way.

One of our Phsyical Education (sport) teachers had a rather uniquie way of dealing with the problem of two students constantly having a go at each other. On very rare occasions (I saw it once) he would get the two students involved into the gym at lunchtime and give them a pair of boxing gloves each and under his supervision let them sort it out. I can only guess his warped thinking was that if it got out of hand he could step in and stop it instead of it happening down some back corner of the school yard.

Could you imagine the public outcry (justified) if that happened now?

Cheers Shaun.
 
I was that fictim for about 7 - 8 years. I was never bullied physically though, only psychologically. If only I had the nerves to do something this kid did when I was bullied, I maybe never had the psychological problems I have had.
I understand him completely and although he turned violant(ly), I have the utmost respect for this kid for defending himself and attacking his bullier (is that even a word?).
 
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I have been in Casey's shoes, and I have been previously bullied by younger students until I confronted my tormentor. Nowadays no-one would dare bully me because I have somehow won their respect.

I fully support Casey in this situation.
 
Skinny kid looks like he was a disgusting little 'lad' in training. Good smackdown by the fatty.
 
That bully should of been thrown forwards so he would of rolled on the concrete.
The only way bullys really learn is but getting a taste of their own medcine.

Most public schools in Australia don't really care about bullying, you can report it but nothing happens much, but this works because the bullly then can teach his kids not to bully because this may happen.

Funny how that guy in white after that kid of slammed acts tough and says i'm going to get you, i would love to see that big guy vs big guy.

Even though bullying is a major issue in schools. the schools cant do much(lack of staff is an excuse used alot), the answer is simple if you bully someone you get expelled or you get what is comeing to you as in the real world this would happen.

The small kid nicknamed "The Rat" got suspended for 22 days.
The big guy nicknamed "The Beast" got suspended for 4 days.

I don't think anyone will pick on "The Beast" from now on
 
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I used to get bullied to, but I never had the encourage to fight back, I got worse and worse, and as an result I got angry at the society and all that things. What can we learn? Well if you have been thru rough things yourself, you start to do bad things to "pay" back. Luckily I have left all this things behind me, but if I get offended, those "old" thoughts come back and I get aggressive.
 
Grayfox
The small kid nicknamed "The Rat" got suspended for 22 days.
The big guy nicknamed "The Beast" got suspended for 4 days.

I don't think anyone will pick on "The Beast" from now on
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That's a good result in my book 👍
 
I could never lash out against bullies where I'm from because there was a good chance that you'd get jumped by 5-10 people. Scum clings together. If it was a more honorable culture, I could probably have gone berserk and taken out anyone because I outweighed almost anyone. I would always fear hurting them too much, though. If you can make someone snap, and they become violent as a result, the intent becomes to kill/severely hurt rather than to protect and defend. If someone actually laid a hand on me like the little pisser in that video, it would have been quite different.
 
Funny how small ignorant little morons seem to always be bullies at schools.

Being a bigger kid all through middle and high school i had run ins with little twits just like this one, the result funny enough was the same almost. I gave one a serious concussion almost doing damage to his spine. Did i feel bad, not one single bit! Almost killing the kid was the best move i made through my schooling, never had a issue with anyone after that.

This video is what i like to call instant karma and was very enjoyable to watch, seeing that kid without question getting his head concussed against the concrete was great to see IMO and i'm sure well worth the 4 day suspension that was handed out to him.
 
The problem is peoples mentality, even when people se things, they dont do anything. In the video it was like 5 people not doing anything, just filming and laughing. As long as people only think about themselves, and let this "cool" kids rule, then nothing will change. Cool and popular kids can kiss my ass really.
 
Omnis
I could never lash out against bullies where I'm from because there was a good chance that you'd get jumped by 5-10 people. Scum clings together.
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Same here. The only difference, however, is that it's guaranteed here.

I have never been into a fight. But I have been this close to punch someone, after this kid/guy (16 years old) threw rocks at me, two years ago. What's funny is that it happened exactly as I always thought it would: I started walking towards him, normally, while he walked backwards while throwing punches at me (2 out of 2 landed on my cheekbone). One of our friends who was watching got between us, and stopped the "fight".

From that day on, this guy never said/did anything bad to me. What's best is that I only walked. But sometimes, I actually wish someone started a fight with me. Breaking fingers would be my finishing move.
 
ASH32
The suspensions also give the school a little bit of time to talk to everyone involved and think on how they are going to resolve this problem, because it won't just go away.
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Schools don't resolve bullying problems. Say whatever you like, but they just don't.

I have been bullied upon for years as well in the past, up to a point where a website was made dedicated to show a "Fat chimp living in his habitat". I informed my teachers, but nothing was done despite us contacting them several times.

A big pat on the back for Casey to actually stand up for himself. Many of us don't even have the guts or chance to stand up for ourselves.
 

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