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Really digging this car. I’d get the GR86 though.
That's impressive. I see a ton of them here in northern California too. The first gen was very strong effort, but the 2nd gen seems to be a home run. I need to drive one of these damn things.Subaru BRZ confirmed as Australia's best-selling sports car, overtaking Mustang
Japanese coupe has now officially ended Ford Mustang's seven-year run as country's most popular sports carwww.whichcar.com.au
GR86 Prime plug-in hybrid sports sedan. Boom.3 Cylinder turbo manual to the back wheels, LMP style hybrid system to the front. Please.
The nose is long enough, engine small enough and technology good enough for this to be a thing. Drive to work on EV power, turn it off to do tofu deliveries, turn it to 11 for track action.
Probably end up an $85k AUD car, (GR Corolla is $68k) but as a grown up sedan with very trick tech I think there’s a market there.
With a grunty sounding 3-cylinder turbo and restrained styling, I would be allllll over that.GR86 Prime plug-in hybrid sports sedan. Boom.
But it doesn't. Toyota's hybrid systems are better and more reliable than anybody else's in the industry. Plus, making a GR86 electric at the front would simply be reversing the new Prius which offers electric AWD at the rear. Obviously the car would have to be a completely new integrated chassis but that's what they already do when they design a new Prius or other car with planned hybrid integration. Hybrids are one thing Toyota truly does better than anybody else, they should absolutely lean into it rather than going EV. Plus, EV sports cars are as yet completely unproven in the market. Toyota doesn't do unproven things.Just make it EV and be done with it. The engine was never its selling point. It was just suitably shaped/packaged for the type of car they were going for.
Making it electric at the front just ads extra weight and complications.
Strong disagree. Full BEV would require at least a 75kwh battery to have enough range to sell and that would likely push the weight over 4,000lbs. A "prime" PHEV with 15-20 mile range could use a 10kwh battery and with careful design (and the lighter 3cylinder) probably be under 3200lbs. A BEV GR86 loses the point much further than a PHEV GR86. I often see complaints about PHEVs being too complicated, but they are no more complicated than a normal hybrid and Toyota has emphatically proven the reliability of those.Just make it EV and be done with it. The engine was never its selling point. It was just suitably shaped/packaged for the type of car they were going for.
Making it electric at the front just ads extra weight and complications.
It's more explicit than that. Toyota chairman boldly claims electric cars will never dominate, says hybrids are the better option.If I'm not mistaken, doesn't Toyota's recent experimentation with Hydrogen strongly suggest that they themselves aren't keen on going full EV?
Well ok, straight from the Horse's mouth then.It's more explicit than that. Toyota chairman boldly claims electric cars will never dominate, says hybrids are the better option.
I strongly agree with the sentiment, at least until battery technology has some kind of generational leap.
I've had that feeling too, and it gives me some conflict. On the one hand I recognize the potential for EVs to reduce emissions, which I think is critical, but on the other hand I don't believe the implementation has been very...clever. Even the best EVs (or maybe particularly the best) carry around way way more battery than they need 95% of the time. Its extraordinarily wasteful usage of materials that are not easy nor particularly green to extract from the earth. 10 PHEVs (if used correctly) are going to offset significantly more emissions than 1 long range BEV for the same amount of battery material. I've gone off topic.Well ok, straight from the Horse's mouth then.
I've always had a feeling even a decade ago that we are in no position to go all electric with the fossil fuel structure all over the place, charging stations not all that plentiful and Batteries seemingly not making that much progress. Still seems to be the case even now.
The heaviest 2024 Prius with AWD weighs less than 3,600 pounds which isn't that bad considering the Nimh battery. And the Nimh batteries seem to be much more reliable in cold weather and long-term.Strong disagree. Full BEV would require at least a 75kwh battery to have enough range to sell and that would likely push the weight over 4,000lbs. A "prime" PHEV with 15-20 mile range could use a 10kwh battery and with careful design (and the lighter 3cylinder) probably be under 3200lbs. A BEV GR86 loses the point much further than a PHEV GR86. I often see complaints about PHEVs being too complicated, but they are no more complicated than a normal hybrid and Toyota has emphatically proven the reliability of those.
Strong disagree. Full BEV would require at least a 75kwh battery to have enough range to sell and that would likely push the weight over 4,000lbs. A "prime" PHEV with 15-20 mile range could use a 10kwh battery and with careful design (and the lighter 3cylinder) probably be under 3200lbs. A BEV GR86 loses the point much further than a PHEV GR86. I often see complaints about PHEVs being too complicated, but they are no more complicated than a normal hybrid and Toyota has emphatically proven the reliability of those.
KeefBut it doesn't. Toyota's hybrid systems are better and more reliable than anybody else's in the industry. Plus, making a GR86 electric at the front would simply be reversing the new Prius which offers electric AWD at the rear. Obviously the car would have to be a completely new integrated chassis but that's what they already do when they design a new Prius or other car with planned hybrid integration. Hybrids are one thing Toyota truly does better than anybody else, they should absolutely lean into it rather than going EV. Plus, EV sports cars are as yet completely unproven in the market. Toyota doesn't do unproven things.
The I8 is not a small car, and it has 4 seats and is a pretty luxurious package. I don't think they went far out of their way to make it super light. The I8's battery weighed 100kg and was around 10kwh. That's a density of 10kg/kwh. Remember, the all-carbon and non-electrified Ford GT also weighed over 3,000lbs.Sure, you can't argue that Toyota doesn't have the credibility and knowledge to build it as a PHEV and it already has a suitable engine from the GR Yaris, but i still think it would add substantial weight and perhaps more importantly the packaging and placement of that weight over the current gen.
BMW's i8 uses a similar short range battery and motor with a 3cylinder ICE to make it a 992 rival. But to keep its weight competitive it has a CF passenger cell. You can't go that exotic with a $32-40k car.
I need to make some corrections.Sure, you can't argue that Toyota doesn't have the credibility and knowledge to build it as a PHEV and it already has a suitable engine from the GR Yaris, but i still think it would add substantial weight and perhaps more importantly the packaging and placement of that weight over the current gen.
BMW's i8 uses a similar short range battery and motor with a 3cylinder ICE to make it a 992 rival. But to keep its weight competitive it has a CF passenger cell. You can't go that exotic with a $32-40k car.