Should all teams be given extra tyres for qualifying?

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After yesterday's qualifying antics with three of the drivers not setting times and some just running tyres in for the race it got me thinking, just give each team another 3-4 sets of soft tyres.

Don't get me wrong, the racing we are having at the moment is brilliant and it's mostly coming from drivers who didn't produce a lap in Q3 or from big names who lost out in Q2 and had another set of tyres available. But especially yesterday we pretty much got 2 minutes of Q3 where the drivers were actually driving, not only would this mean that in the races the teams would have a lot more choice in tyre selection it would also mean some of the midfield teams would fight for the top ten positions rather than sit it out(well Maldonado didn't sit out,that's for sure).
 
Yes, seeing as those tyre rules were brought in during the Bridgestone era to try and spice it up - which clearly isn't needed anymore.
 
I don't think it's that bad and teams not running in Q3 isn't anything new to be honest. Especially for the lower teir teams that have the spot already and know they can't challenge the high end teams. If anything they should just revert to last years tires, but if they are that adamant about sticking to this years compound level the easiest thing to do would be what has been proposed all weekend long and what is echoed by the OP.
 
Liquid
Give them 12 laps and take their fastest time.

Crazy idea, I know.
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Actually that's an amazing idea (to me). I just think people overly enjoy the knock out concept because of how on the edge you are to pass or fail.
 
Snapey
Should all teams be given extra tyres for qualifying?
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No. Tyre management is, and always has been, a critical skill for a driver. If a driver doesn't want to set a lap time because he thinks it will put him in a better position for the race, then by all means, leave him be.

LMSCorvetteGT2
I just think people overly enjoy the knock out concept because of how on the edge you are to pass or fail.
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What's wrong with that?

If I had my way, they'd each get only the one lap, so as to apply maximum pressure.
 
prisonermonkeys
What's wrong with that?

If I had my way, they'd each get only the one lap, so as to apply maximum pressure.
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Don't recall saying there was something wrong with that, but that seems to be one reason why knock out is still around. I too love knock out but would rather have the one lap quali that I see so much in other racing such as Nascar (not all the time).
 
It's all about entertainment. 5 cars sat in the pits isn't entertainment.
Instead of giving them an extra set of tyres, how about if they don't set a competitive time in Q3, take a set away.
 
Something needs to be done. I'd prefer seeing all 10 cars fighting for the top spot instead of half of them putting themselves on timing just to start ahead of the others that don't run laps.
 
If the tyre allocation rules need changing, here is what I would do:

1) Pirelli supplies all teams with a "Prime" tyre. This is a purpose-built tyre that is supplied for every Grand Prix. All of the drivers must use this tyre in the race. I imagine that it would be similar to the Bridgestones used in 2010, but only lasting for about 50% of the race distance.

2) Pirelli make three or four "Option" tyres for the season, designated "Option A", "Option B", "Option C" and "Option D". Two of these options are provided for each race, depending on the characteristics of the circuit.

3) At the end of FP3, every driver nominates which Option he will use for the race. He is then left with the Prime and whichever Option he chose. This process is blind, so the drivers have no idea which tyres the other drivers are using (though teams may tell them which tyres their team-mates have chosen).

4) Qualifying is carried out either on the Primes or on a specialist qualifying tyre.

5a) The drivers are free to start the race on whichever tyre compound they like.

5b) Alternatively, the drivers may use whichever compound of tyres they like for qualifying, but every driver must start the race on the same compound (but not necessarily the same set of tyres).

The idea here is to free up strategy options, and to get the teams and drivers to focus on their own strategy instead of watching what everyone else is doing. Ideally, the Prime tyre would last about 50% of the race distance, and would privde grip without graining. One Option would be designed to last for about 25% of the race distance, while the other can do about 33%, and the differences between the tyres should be such that two- and three-stop strategies are equally-valid. I'm trying to create a situation where the races are all about picking the right tyre for the right moment, and then launching an attack with the Option tyres.
 
dhandes
It's all about entertainment. 5 cars sat in the pits isn't entertainment.
Instead of giving them an extra set of tyres, how about if they don't set a competitive time in Q3...
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...they start behind the Q2 drivers?

So say 8th, 9th and 10th stayed in the garage, they would be dropped to 10th 11th and 12th,
 
It works for me. If that can't be bothered to put in a proper time, they shouldn't start the race with an advantage.
 
Shouldn't qualifying, of all sessions, be the session where they go as fast as they possibly can? Qualifying should be soft tyres only, and Pirelli should give each team a fresh set per segment. I can't see a downside to this approach, because one lap pace isn't of critical importance anyway, and the fans would get an opportunity to see each car/driver at their absolute maximum.

On the subject, does anyone else find the current focus on tyres a bit tedious? I mean sure, Pirelli were asked to provide the rubber they have, but I reckon they need to ease off on the challenge a little bit. I reckon they need to slow down the degradation (or at least make the wear more consistent), and make them a little less temperature-sensitive. In doing so they'd make tyre management a bit easier for the drivers, so they could focus on driving fast, rather than tip-toeing, which after all, should be the point of Formula 1.
 
I'm more to using special kind of sticky tyre rather than using an extra set of tyres. 👍
But regardless the latest qualifying format, they should adopt extra tyre for qualifying. We should have full top 10 shotout rather than 3 team sit out just to save the tyre.
 
I quite like the qualifying sessions of today, sure some drivers and teams might not set times but it's still quite exciting.
 
gorsad
I quite like the qualifying sessions of today, sure some drivers and teams might not set times but it's still quite exciting.
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Me too. It's not like no-ones setting any times and the cars with better tyres start behind others = more overtaking and general action.

It's a gamble to not set a time, but there are no sure advantages.

But if we'd get a completely new qualifying system, I'd like to see a superlap system like someone else suggested, one lap and that's all.
 
No they don't need more tyres.

They should just be sent to the back of the grid if they don't set a Q3 lap time.
 
prisonermonkeys
If the tyre allocation rules need changing, here is what I would do:
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How many tyres do want Pirelli to bring to each race? They already bring however many thousands to each race and there's only 4 compounds, and you want them to bring 7 compounds.

We're supposed to be trying to bring costs down here...
 
No, I only want them to bring one extra compound per race: one "Prime" and two "Options" (from a range of four), plus intermediates and wets.
 
Keep it as it is, but a bonus set for Q3. Job done. At least the element of strategy which takes precedent would be removed to a certain extent.
 
They just need Bridgestone-quality tyres and refuelling in a race (still keeping in mind the reduced fuel usage that was achieved back then when refuelling was banned). That would allow for really variable tactics from one to three stops without being limited by tyre durability.
It'd also cut that problem with qualifying out.

But if I were in charge, I would make the qualifying tires separate as well as the engine too.
 
prisonermonkeys
No, I only want them to bring one extra compound per race: one "Prime" and two "Options" (from a range of four), plus intermediates and wets.
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Ah, reading comprehension fail on my part.

I would think that all that's needed is for an extra set to be gifted to the teams solely for use in Q3 would solve the issue.

The only issue I have with the current tyre setup is that they degrade with distance. It would seem that someone who is easy on their tyres doesn't really have an advantage.

I'd like to see someone driving the arse off their car doing 2 stops, and one driver being smoooth and tidy and attempting one stop. At the minute, tyres last 20 laps (for example) and it doesn't matter who you are, they're not going to last longer than that whilst still giving reasonable times. I know Perez likes to try and make them last longer but all too often he's running a few seconds slower than the could be so it's not really viable for a front runner.
 
This next weekend you'll see a lot of participation in qualifying in Q3 as its Monaco and DRS does not guarantee an overtake.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Actually that's an amazing idea (to me). I just think people overly enjoy the knock out concept because of how on the edge you are to pass or fail.
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I enjoy the current format as-is. If it went to a single-lap system, I wouldn't bother watching it because there would be nothing to watch. With multiple cars on track at once and running multiple laps, there is the potential for drama (this guy's lap got ruined when that guy spun ahead of him, so-and-so got held up by slow traffic, or someone decided to put off his lap a bit too late and rain came to ruin their chances of a good lap) and drivers sparring back and forth with improving lap times ("Wow, Alonso just took three tenths off of Hamilton's time, but then Lewis responds with a 1:19.3!").

With a single-lap system, Bob goes out, runs for a few, and then comes back in. Now Fred goes out, runs for a few, and goes back in. Here comes Jacob, running his few minutes, and then back in. Lather, rinse, repeat. The only thing to see is the final numbers at the end.
 
Yes, they should get as many tyres as they want in qualifying; but only so many of each type for race.

Ask the drivers Bernie!

Salut Gilles :)
 
There's an old rule that says, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

Somehow, without copying NASCAR, the Formula 1 circus has come up with the most competitive, entertaining and absorbing season since maybe 1982.

From my perspective in front of the TV set, I say don't change a thing! Even so, I admit it's not quite right for the spectators who pay to get into the track on Saturday not see the full show of Q3.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve
 
102% Rule. Dont set a time that is within 102% in Q3, you get a 2 sport grid penalty. Or something along those lines.
 

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