Should I buy a MacBook Pro 13 Retina?

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Should I get a Macbook Pro 13 inch w/ Retina?

  • Yee-boa

    Votes: 7 43.8%
  • Hail No

    Votes: 9 56.3%

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The 1500-something euro ís the retina 13". As for the price difference: people always say 'comparable specs', but only look at CPU/memory. It's apples (:p) vs oranges. That 800-euro Acer (probably) does not come with:

- Retina screen
- An aluminium unibody
- An SSD
- Thunderbolt
- A battery that lasts ages
The MBP I looked at for comparison had neither a Retina screen (which I did state), nor an SSD (which I should have). It (the Acer) doesn't come with an aluminion body, that's for sure. Don't know about the battery life, and I've got to admit - I don't know what Thunderbolt is.

Now, let me get one thing straight: My whole argument was based around the idea that you could run OS X on a non-Mac. I know that it's possible and I know that German jurisdiction will allow that, as it takes precendes over Apple's End User License Agreement. But, given that that's not the case everywhere, I'd like to retract my statement. Or, at least, weaken it. I still think it's a huge amount of money to get access to OS X, but if one needs it (or wants it) for its benefits - well, then it's a tangible benefit, at least. That's something I can wrap my mind around, as opposed to paying 700 bucks for an aluminium body and a fancy design.

Does that make the Mercedes and BMW overpriced or do they simply have different USPs?
They're offering a tangible benefit over the Megane RS, which I don't think a Mac does, unless you're unable to use OS X on a non-Mac. Which is the case, actually, so... Yeah. That's why I said it was a genuine question, not just me mocking Apple and its users. ;)
 
People were building FrankenMac's for a while when Apple first started using Intel chips. There is no legal way, to my knowledge, to install an OSX on vanilla hardware.
The vernacular now is Hackintosh ;)

Also good call on the Thinkpads. I have one that I use for taking notes and general school work, it's not the prettiest or most featured thing but it's going on three years with 0 hardware problems. Same thing with the one my dad gives to the sales guys at work, they're just so durable.

It's basically the same as with cars: for the price of an awesome handling hot-hatch like a Mégane RS or Scirocco R, you can also get a base BMW 1 or Mercedes A. Does that make the Mercedes and BMW overpriced or do they simply have different USPs?

This is a part of it too. You can buy a Windows laptop with the same RAM and CPU as a Macbook and save a lot of money. But you'll be buying a cheap POS with a flimsy plastic case and a crappy screen. The Scirocco vs. A class is a good comparison, the Macbook is just altogether a more premium product in terms of design, fit, finish, and build quality. It isn't really fair to compare a Macbook to a base model POS laptop, you have to compare it to similarly positioned high end laptops and ultrabooks, which often don't undercut the Macs by very much. Some would say they'd rather pay for the parts inside than the design, and that's perfectly fine. But I also don't think it's wrong to like how your computer looks and use that as part of your buying decision. I built my own PC and a big part of my decision was buying a small form factor case that I thought looked nice.

For every hipster that buys one to go on facebook in a coffee shop there's a photographer or media professional that uses it for its tangible benefits of battery life and what is probably the best mobile display on the market.
 
In my opinion, the 13" is a rip-off. Apart from the screen, you're getting very little for all that money. It's only dual-core and it doesn't have a dedicated GPU. Also, 13" is very small to edit photos/videos on, in my opinion.

It's a lot more money, but I feel like the 15" is much better value for your money. I'm not saying you should buy that instead, though.

And as far as I know, the Retina version is due for an update soon?

I will be doing very light video and photo editing, not rendering huge 3D graphics that take days to render. I would consider the 15", but I cant afford it.
 
Don't! May I do some maths? Two of my friends bought a MacBook, same version like yours with Apple care protection... Both paid around 1800€ :crazy: I bought a flat screen TV 32 inches, a PS3, a Logitech G27 and my Laptop with a very good GT630M Video Card for 1520€... (both MacBooks just have the VERY basic HD4000 from intel...) I would definately NOT go for it...

EDIT: One thing I forgot, one of the friends got a MacBook with care protection and a destroyed chassis and they did not want to repair it :odd:
 
Don't! May I do some maths? Two of my friends bought a MacBook, same version like yours with Apple care protection... Both paid around 1800€ :crazy: I bought a flat screen TV 32 inches, a PS3, a Logitech G27 and my Laptop with a very good GT630M Video Card for 1520€... (both MacBooks just have the VERY basic HD4000 from intel...) I would definately NOT go for it...

EDIT: One thing I forgot, one of the friends got a MacBook with care protection and a destroyed chassis and they did not want to repair it :odd:

Applecare is an extended warranty, not insurance. A destroyed chassis is a clear sign of neglect on your friend's part.
 
Applecare is probably the best extended warranty service I've ever had on a product. I had a small problem with my Mac a month or so after my warranty period expired and Apple still covered it without any questions. They did the same thing with my iPhone too.
 
Applecare are not the only ones that are nice. I once bought a new Logitech mouse on ebay(Got the wrong mouse from seller), it broke, and asked for a replacement from Logitech. Logitech does not sell on ebay(Thus no warranty for the item) so they gave me a one time only replacement(Sent the bad one back to them) due to my predicament.
 
At least I know it's not for anyone. Mind you that battery in the retina laptops are glued down to the frame and the trackpad cable(At least in the case of the 15" 2012 model). You will have a very hard time removing the battery packs without bursting them or ripping cables.

As a tinkerer, I don't like that the batteries are glued down, and I think that's a little unnecessary of Apple to do, but I understand why they do it. Invariably, someone will open one up to try and replace the battery with a cheap aftermarket one when the original one dies. The cheap aftermarket battery likely won't perform as well as an OEM battery, and the consumer who fixed it himself would then blame Apple, rather than himself for buying a crappy cheap, knockoff battery.

Apple is forcing you to go back to them for service to ensure that a minimum "standard" of quality and experience is ensured. Yes, that is pandering to the lowest common denominator, but unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on perspective), this is a trend that you see across multiple industries. Just look at new cars nowadays and how easy they are to fix on your own.

I'm not asking why Apple's willing to sell at that price point, I'm wondering why people are willing buy at that price point. I, too, would sell my products at the highest price point possible, but I wouldn't buy stuff at whatever price point someone sees fit.

I understand that you are genuinely baffled and not mocking at all, but in the end, Apple products are premium products, and are designed and engineered as such. Premium products will have a premium price.

It's like if you're buying a car, you could buy a Kia or a Mercedes. In the end, they do the same thing; they transport you from one place to another. However, they go about it very differently, and one will be a lot higher quality than the other, and one will also charge a lot more than the other.

If it's only about price, then why do people still buy Mercedes cars?

So: What do people see in a Mac that makes them pay twice as much as they would for a Windows laptop? I get yelled at daily by customers that are sorely pissed off by the fact that we're charging 30 bucks a year for a credit card, but Apple's customers don't mind paying a premium of 700 bucks or whatever the price difference is... I genuinly can not understand it. But that's probably for another thread, I suppose.

I buy a Mac because of the design details and features they think about that most other cheap computer companies don't think about. Details like having a backlit keyboard that uses soft white LEDs that change in intensity automatically based on the surroundings brightness and that don't blind you. Specially engineered fans that try to reduce fan noise. Solid, sturdy, quality case construction. Thinness and lightness. Excellent battery life. Beautiful, high resolution IPS screens. Large, responsive trackpad. This isn't it, but to have thought about it

Sure, some of these features do get incorporated into Windows manufacturers' top of their line machines, but at that point, you're looking at a small difference in price, and often not nearly as well done.

Beyond the features and the fact that I prefer the Mac OS, my experience with Windows laptops is that I need to buy a new one every couple of years. I admit, I don't baby my computers. The Windows laptops I've had lasted only a couple of years, while the Macs I've had lasted twice as long. At my rate, in the long run, as long as a "comparable spec" Windows laptop is slightly more than half the Mac's price, then it actually comes out to be more expensive for me to buy Windows laptops.

The MBP I looked at for comparison had neither a Retina screen (which I did state), nor an SSD (which I should have). It (the Acer) doesn't come with an aluminion body, that's for sure. Don't know about the battery life, and I've got to admit - I don't know what Thunderbolt is.

Are you looking at this one? That's a 1500 Euro 13 inch MBP that has all the things NLxAROSA talked about (retina screen, flash memory, Thunderbolt).

Applecare are not the only ones that are nice. I once bought a new Logitech mouse on ebay(Got the wrong mouse from seller), it broke, and asked for a replacement from Logitech. Logitech does not sell on ebay(Thus no warranty for the item) so they gave me a one time only replacement(Sent the bad one back to them) due to my predicament.

Any premium service will bend over backwards for you. AppleCare is expensive, but like the rest of the stuff, is premium. I bet if you get the premium warranty contract from Dell, they'll be really nice to you and replace things for free without fuss too.
 
No. The MacBook was delivered like this...

Very strange, when I bought my rMBP the keyboard backlight buzzed whenever it was turned on. Took it to my nearest store they took me for my word (since they would not be able to hear it in the store) and replaced it with a new one on the spot. Same thing with my brother's iPhone 4 when it kept dropping signal, and my own iPhone 5 when it had a speck of dust in the camera assembly.
 
15" MacPro Retina user here and I love it. Yes its expensive compared to similar spec laptops but I personally think its worth it.
 
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