should nitros be banned

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Here in Europe there are serious talks about outlawing N2O-systems that haven't been TüV-tested and approved. Some of these tests include emissions-tests and power-tests, and because of the nature of such systems, it is more likely to get outlawed than an approval. Also, fitting of such systems require (by law) that the maximum effect gained by N2O-injections is to be registered with the vechicle - so if anyone here in Europe fits such a system to their car, it has to be re-registered (and more taxes to be paid in those countries charging taxes on kW's).
 
Originally posted by emad
What exactly is the purpose for having NOS on a strip anyways? Most drag races are categorized by the engine's horse power, right? If that's the case, wouldn't the race be just as close with or without the tank? I mean, so they reduce their 1/4 mile times but that doesn't prove very much about the engine, right? Isn't that part of the glory that most people seek in Drag? To build up a car to make full use of the engine dropped into it...

(sorry if that didn't make much sense - I just needed to do something "Intelligent" to get my mind off of accounting :p)
Because Nitrous is a cheaper way of getting to that power, I'm not sure on this, but I've heared that two cars one with a 200Bhp engine and 200Bhp extra with nirouse and another is a 200Bhp car with a turbo added to give it 200Bhp extra the car with Nitrous will win in a quarter mile drag. If anyone can cofirm or prove this wrong please do because I'm not too clued up on drag races and settings and stuff like that.
 
Originally posted by Freddie
Here in Europe there are serious talks about outlawing N2O-systems that haven't been TüV-tested and approved. Some of these tests include emissions-tests and power-tests, and because of the nature of such systems, it is more likely to get outlawed than an approval. Also, fitting of such systems require (by law) that the maximum effect gained by N2O-injections is to be registered with the vechicle - so if anyone here in Europe fits such a system to their car, it has to be re-registered (and more taxes to be paid in those countries charging taxes on kW's).

Yep always the god damn taxes here, at some point it pisses me off like hell. And registering everything into the tüv just because you got some ****ing new rims. That is just insane, and doesnt make any sense. Even something small has to be registered. Its just bs. But I think thats only here in Germany, not in England or somehting, I think, im not sure
 
Originally posted by Firebird
IUPAC naming nomenclature stipulates that if there is only one atom of the second element in the chemical formula of a covalently-bonded molecule that the prefix 'mono' will be added to it.

N20 is dinitrogen monoxide, not 'dinitrogen oxide', just as CO is carbon monoxide not 'carbon oxide'.

I know. I realized that seconds after hitting submit post. That explains the quick edit I made.

You'd better hold onto that mistake Famine made. It's worth something.
 
Thanks. I decided to change it before a moderator sent me an irate PM.

As opposed to the loving PMs neon_duke sends me every Sunday morning.
 
Originally posted by Klostrophobic
You'd better hold onto that mistake Famine made. It's worth something.

I will check on this tomorrow morning, in my work literature. I believe that either is appropriate, depending on the circumstance. We have several solids in our chemical store with a 1:1 ratio which dispense with "mono" completely - Calcium Oxide, Zinc Oxide. Many compounds we have where the primary named substance is in a higher ratio don't use "mono" or "di" either. I think that either dinitrogen monoxide OR dinitrogen oxide are acceptable, but nitrous oxide is more common.
 
We do not mill our own blocks. We rebuild our customers.The company name is TRAC Auto /Bumper to Bumper.
Our main customer base are racers.1/4 mile and stock car.As far as I know the only sactioning body that allows nitrous is the IHRA.I call them tuners because all I here is "ricer"and I refuse to label anyone whith that.All of the people around here that are into the import scene like to be called tuners.Don't ask me why.We can get the kits but we don't really sell alot.
Once again I will state the reason for this post. It is just to get a felling of everyones veiws and if it seems that I am against nitrous is it was the main reason I lost one of my best buds.He was not using it but the idiot in the other car was.They lost control and crossed the lanes.Head on,not much left.It was a closed casket funeral.
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P.S. I didn't really want that to come out as I felt it might make people not post anthing here.So if you use it,PLEASE use it wisely,and keep on posting.
 
Originally posted by Monster7
First off, the guy who started this thread has no idea what he is talking about.

Second, there are many reasons to have nitrous, the main reason - MORE HORSEPOWER FOR NOT ALOT OF MONEY. On a turbocharged vehicle it can be used to spool up the turbo, almost if not entirely eliminating turbo lag.
I agree with you for the rest of the post but I don't see how Nitrous eliminates turbo lag anymore than say... CHANGING GEAR or learning how to launch properly. Ive seen a Stock WRX STi 'o2 model pull off a 13 flat on street threads simply by using good double-clutching and getting a 5 Grand launch. My point is N02 is mearly a dangerous replacement for skill in most places. If people are skillful enough to use it they should be allowed to in an environment where they do not risk anyone elses lives, i.e. the drag strip.
 
Originally posted by Crayola
I agree with you for the rest of the post but I don't see how Nitrous eliminates turbo lag anymore than say... CHANGING GEAR or learning how to launch properly. Ive seen a Stock WRX STi 'o2 model pull off a 13 flat on street threads simply by using good double-clutching and getting a 5 Grand launch. My point is N02 is mearly a dangerous replacement for skill in most places. If people are skillful enough to use it they should be allowed to in an environment where they do not risk anyone elses lives, i.e. the drag strip.
How many times have you personally used nitrous?
 
Originally posted by kart racer
First off,I did a search and came up empty on this subject so here I go.

The question my freinds is "should nitros be banned on the streets?"Now this is NOT a bash thread on tuners.(I refuse to use the word ricer)As all kind of cars have used nitros on the streets.Bikes included.

I for one think that it should be banned.Nitros can be a very dangerous thing to use on the streets as it can; A, blow up your motor faster than you think.
B,in the hands of the rookies,they can lose control of their rides in a blink of a eye.
When it is used in the proper place,like the drag strip,it has it's uses.But that is about the only place it should be alowed.Any coments?Lets here from you.

Grow up. So because of rookies using nitrous and loosing control of their car (putting many at risk), nitrous should be banned? A car in general can be driven incorrectly and pose danger to lives, should we ban those? If the driver can't handle it, they should be banned, not the product, because the product can and HAS been used safely. I can lose control of my gas cooker and kill myself, it doesn't mean gas cookers are dangerous and should be banned. They've been used safely. Even stairs are dangerous, should we ban those? If the driver can't handle it, it's him who should be banned, not the product especially when the product has been used safely before.:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Famine
I will check on this tomorrow morning, in my work literature. I believe that either is appropriate, depending on the circumstance. We have several solids in our chemical store with a 1:1 ratio which dispense with "mono" completely - Calcium Oxide, Zinc Oxide. Many compounds we have where the primary named substance is in a higher ratio don't use "mono" or "di" either. I think that either dinitrogen monoxide OR dinitrogen oxide are acceptable, but nitrous oxide is more common.

Calcium oxide and zinc oxide are not covalently bonded though.

Ionic bonds follow different naming rules. For example, FeO and Fe3O2 are both iron oxide. FeO is referred to as iron (III) oxide (since it is an Fe3+ ion) and Fe3O2 is iron (II) oxide (Fe2+ ion).

Dinitrogen monoxide is the proper name. Nitrous oxide is an older improper British or American name. Dinitrogen oxide is just jibberish.:p
 
:odd: Grow up? I'm old enough to be some of the members dad.
Now I'm just asking,have you read all the postes here? Maybe you missed the one about why I seem against it.(no sarcasm)
Anyhow,it seems that everyone dose NOT want it banned.Good for all of you,but a word of warning.Some people ARE trying to have it banned. And,not only that,they are trying to ban all forms of "tuning".That means,no lowering,no after market light changes from OEM,no exhaust changes from stock,H_LL,they are even trying to ban load sound systems.This effects us all,me included,as I make my living selling after market parts.So people,keep a eye on what is happening in your town and if it looks like some group,who thinks they now whats best,is trying to start a ban,get all of your local car clubs,freinds and any one who cares and stop them before it's to late.I love cars.I love racing and NO group of snobs is going to stop me from enjoying my hobby.This just won't effect cars,bikes will be targeted also.Even 4X4's.so watch out.


(boy,I sound like a preacher)
Cheers!!
 
What exactly is the purpose of having NOS on a street car? You think you're cool riding around in your Civic with NOS and neons?

The speed limit in town here is 60kmph (rougly 37mph) and the limit on the highway is 120kmph. If you want NOS to go as fast as you can, go down to the strip. There's no need for teenage petrolheads who think they're 'cool' and that NAWZ is da shiz on the road.

Then again, I'm only 14, so yeah.
 
You live in Australia, where (if I'm right) you are worse than a paedophile if you speed. I mean you could easily kill hundreds of people by doing 134kp/h on a highway.
 
Originally posted by Party for GT4
You live in Australia, where (if I'm right) you are worse than a paedophile if you speed. I mean you could easily kill hundreds of people by doing 134kp/h on a highway.
I said 120. It's usually 100, but sometimes in big stretches it's 120. In the Northern Territory though (as it's like 400km's between each town), there is no speed limit on the highway. You'd have to be one crazy idioit to speed on NT highways though. What, with all the pot holes and other foreign objects on the road and such...
 
We were going along doing about 130kmh on motorway near our home came round a corner and noticed a policeman running out into the road. My dad slowed down and the policeman ran back off, but he was trying to grab half a lorry tyre in the road.
 
Wow, I get to work on the Autobahn at around 250kmh:lol: No seriously now, 200-220 if I feel like it, and for fun 250 yea^^ (rock the house)

no seriously, theres no point in banning Nitros,

1. whos going to use it on a 25mph road or 60mph highway thats freakin full of cars?

2. if you race illegaly on the streets at night, why not have an illegal car "part" installed and use it illegal, since what youre doing is already illegal

3. if you already have some illegal ****, why not some gas?
 
I don't think it should be banned, rather, let people who use it get a larger fine when they get pulled over for speeding. As long as you're not speeding, then you're not doing anything illegal with your car, really. So what's the harm in having the nitrous oxide tank hooked up when it's not in use?

There are lots of people who use their daily driver to go to the track, and have a nitrous oxide setup hooked up that don't use it on the street. Should they get a massive fine? The answer is no.
 
WEll i was really suprised when i saw this picture. This is the orginal place where the picture was posted.
http://www.fastcarforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6309
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What ****er did that? The ****er who wanted to safely make a slow car faster for cheap.
 
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