slamming on the brakes...good technique?

[uMadson?]

The best way to brake before a corner is to jam it first, try to keep it at a certain rev range, then ease it off so that you can get on to the accelerator. This one works well with the basic straightaway-to-corner sections, but for the complex ones, better brake and throttle modulation is key.

 

[Ecchi-BANZAII!!]

I've noticed that on the first corner at Daytona Road Course, my car seems to squirm very violently under braking. It's strange because it only happens at that corner...

Same with the 4th corner on Nur GP (right tight corner)

 

[cleanLX]

Most systems are sensitive to your brake pressure and not for the grip level of the tire.

Hate to be pickey, but that is simply not the case. If it were true, ABS would never work on gravel or snow as little pressure needs applied to lock wheels up. Having said that, IRL ABS systems are programmed to detect panic stops but even then it is more a function of brake pedal acceleration than it is pressure.

The question at hand needs a short novel written to explain why it is and is not effective... and under which circumstances, and how to read the road and vehicle attitude etc. etc.

In the game, with ABS set to 1, slamming the brake to 100% power is safe and easily repeatable, and thus is a fast and consistent way for the masses to play.

For drivers with more "feel/finesse" the brake pedal will rarely be "on the floor" as even in the game true threshold braking offers more braking power and control... much the same as traction control.

 

[Divinus]

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Hate to be pickey, but that is simply not the case. If it were true, ABS would never work on gravel or snow as little pressure needs applied to lock wheels up. Having said that, IRL ABS systems are programmed to detect panic stops but even then it is more a function of brake pedal acceleration than it is pressure.

The question at hand needs a short novel written to explain why it is and is not effective... and under which circumstances, and how to read the road and vehicle attitude etc. etc.

In the game, with ABS set to 1, slamming the brake to 100% power is safe and easily repeatable, and thus is a fast and consistent way for the masses to play.

For drivers with more "feel/finesse" the brake pedal will rarely be "on the floor" as even in the game true threshold braking offers more braking power and control... much the same as traction control.

 

[Small_Fryz]

Interesting post

Indeed that is all correct for real life cars and situations, but GT5's tyre model is different due to fact the tyres have a "cool down" period after their grip limit is reached. Its not possible to manually pump the brakes to stay close to that 100 grip level (but never go over) consistently for more than a few corners, once the tyre passes its "100 grip points" and locks, the tyre instantly jumps back to say 70 grip points and you loose massive braking or turning power. Due to this cool down factor and the fact that its impossible to tune brake bias on a front and rear %, ABS in GT5 is quicker around a track than no ABS.

If anybody disagrees I'm happy to have a few races

 

[Spartan0189]

Personally, I don't slam on the brakes 100% unless I have to, and when I think it's safe to do it without getting lag rammed or some other event etc.

 

[Nastradamus87]

i've noticed many people slam on the brakes (as in 100% brake pressure everytime they use the brake) before entering any and all corners. is this a good technique to get faster lap times? i've always thought that this was a no-no in driving...

Regardless of references to driving technique and vehicle dynamics, the answer to the original question is definitely no.

There are many corners on various tracks with various cars where braking 100% for any duration of time will slow the car down more than it has to for said corner.

For example, say there is a corner at the end of a straight and at the turn in point you would be going 200 km/h if you made no attempt to brake and just crashed off the track. Now, say the fastest you can take the corner - theoretically - is 190 km/h. To slow down from 200 km/h to 190 km/h you probably wouldn't need more than an instant 25-50% braking. Not the most eloquent example, but I'm sure you get my point.

As others have said, if you need to slow the car down a lot and have ABS on then 100% might be best, depending on the corner. If you have pedals be sure to "squeeze on" and "ease off" the brake. Don't slam or dump the brake, as this will upset the car.

 

[iKlipse]

Just like real life, I use gears to help slow me down in a manual. Do the same in GT5, adjust the brake when you shift down in gears. You'll figure out that its the best way to slow down with out sliding. Just flattening the brake while going 250kph on nurburgring and adjusting the gears after is only going to put you into a wall.

 

[westladog]

I'm above average driver in gt5 because I've been playing everyday for the past 7 months. I set my brakes to 100% with abs at 10 all the time. I'm doing find racing online. Abs is good!

And by the way, people do use tracking control in race cars. I saw the 24 hours Le mans... And they talked about it.

So from now on , I will have no shame setting mine to 3.

 

[pay2021]

I use sometimes a quick slam in the brakes before the corner to transfer the weight or when i pass the apex to re-enter the corner, this depends on the car, of course, usually 4x4, also in rally.

 

[JohnBM01]

The strategy I've always employed is what the GT3 Strategy Guide calls "Poor Man's ABS." I always try to brake hard, but in intervals. In fact, I also sometimes accelerate in intervals. They are usually no less than full-second of half-second intervals. That's the way I do braking, especially when the call is for heavy braking (like the Laguna Seca Corkscrew or Arnage at Le Mans).

 

[CSLACR]

Indeed that is all correct for real life cars and situations, but GT5's tyre model is different due to fact the tyres have a "cool down" period after their grip limit is reached. Its not possible to manually pump the brakes to stay close to that 100 grip level (but never go over) consistently for more than a few corners, once the tyre passes its "100 grip points" and locks, the tyre instantly jumps back to say 70 grip points and you loose massive braking or turning power. Due to this cool down factor and the fact that its impossible to tune brake bias on a front and rear %, ABS in GT5 is quicker around a track than no ABS.

If anybody disagrees I'm happy to have a few races

If this guy (Small_Fryz) is telling you you're driving wrong in GT5, he's right.
Not directed at anyone in particular, just saying he knows exactly what he's talking about, and if you're doing something totally different, learn from this.

 

[Mynock005]

i've noticed many people slam on the brakes (as in 100% brake pressure everytime they use the brake) before entering any and all corners. is this a good technique to get faster lap times? i've always thought that this was a no-no in driving...

In a video game, yes it is.

On a real track in a real car/kart, no it is not.

Be sure not to confuse the two, I don't want to have to clean out the inside of your smashed Ford Fiesta when you decide to try it in real life.

 

[CSLACR]

In a video game, yes it is.

On a real track in a real car/kart, no it is not.

Be sure not to confuse the two, I don't want to have to clean out the inside of your smashed Ford Fiesta when you decide to try it in real life.

Unless I'm still going straight, I never use 100% braking power in GT5, and the guys I've watched faster than me also don't.

 

[PureLogic]

i don't slam instantly. maybe 50% then release a bit then 80% then floor it if still needed. i call it gradual slamming

players slam it because there's ABS. no worries of lock.

it's a different story in RL of course

 

[CSLACR]

i don't slam instantly. maybe 50% then release a bit then 80% then floor it if still needed. i call it gradual slamming

players slam it because there's ABS. no worries of lock.

it's a different story in RL of course

That doesn't sound like real-world or GT5 proper braking technique.
And most if not all road cars in GT5 have ABS.

If you want, we can discuss the merits of real-life feedback for braking as opposed to the feedback we get in GT5...

It's one of the areas (if you're not using abs) I can say with utmost certainty GT5 is harder than real world racing.

 

[PureLogic]

That doesn't sound like real-world or GT5 proper braking technique.
And most if not all road cars in GT5 have ABS.

If you want, we can discuss the merits of real-life feedback for braking as opposed to the feedback we get in GT5...

It's one of the areas (if you're not using abs) I can say with utmost certainty GT5 is harder than real world racing.

i use a DS3. its just slam or "gradual slam". there is no other way to hit the brake.

 

[OK8]

I don't like the fact that you can slam on the brakes, and while still having full brake pressure turn in for the corner. It's just way too easy and takes maybe 50% of the 'point' away from racing.

That's why I don't use ABS but emulate ABS with my foot when in slippery conditions. I do this by pumping the brake very slightly while at the same time feeling for grip. By doing this I can brake alright even in the rain with sports hard and not lock up the brakes.

BUT because I'm at the limit even when braking I often brake a bit earlier than others (people who use ABS) to leave a bit of room for error, while with abs you can just pick your braking point, park your foot on the brake and you'll pull up at the same place always.

Often because of this I get bumped by poor racers but other than that I haven't felt in a disadvantage because I don't use ABS, so I highly recommend people who aim for realism try it.

Due to this cool down factor and the fact that its impossible to tune brake bias on a front and rear %, ABS in GT5 is quicker around a track than no ABS.

If anybody disagrees I'm happy to have a few races

I'd certainly like to try. 500pp Nordschleife Sports Hard?

I don't understand your comment about brake bias. Sure you can't adjust it with percentages but 4/1 works fine. The fronts lock up before the rears do and the overall brake power is alright.

In all the videos I've posted I've been driving without ABS and in them I lock up only a couple times.

 

[Bobalob]

I'd use no abs but it's **** on a wheel/controller as it locks with a tiny press of the pedal, this is true of real racing cars they feel like an off/on button however you still maintain good progression of brakes as they are typically non servo assisted, sometimes pulling on the wheel to press harder on ya brakes irl

 

[OK8]

I'd use no abs but it's **** on a wheel/controller as it locks with a tiny press of the pedal, this is true of real racing cars they feel like an off/on button however you still maintain good progression of brakes as they are typically non servo assisted, sometimes pulling on the wheel to press harder on ya brakes irl

You must adjust your brake balance. Try 2/1 or 4/1. The lower the numbers the lower overall brake power you have so you can press the pedal more until the wheels lock up.

 

[Bobalob]

ah right I'll try that shame I can't configure every or even any axis on my wheel/pedals lol

 

[AssassinTuner]

I been driving more and more 0 - ABS and slamming the brakes makes the tires chatter, it feels good with the DFGT & FFB

 

[PAWEL17]

With ABS-1.....i have been doing this since the dawn of GT. I only brake marginally 60-80% with ABS-0. I brake as late as possible(just before i have to turn) with 100% pressure, and get on the accelator as soon as possible(minimal pressure to maxium) as i make my way out of the corner. I am really stunned that people say otherwise with ABS-1 or higher, there is no lock up, so....

 

[CSLACR]

I don't like the fact that you can slam on the brakes, and while still having full brake pressure turn in for the corner. It's just way too easy and takes maybe 50% of the 'point' away from racing.

That's why I don't use ABS but emulate ABS with my foot when in slippery conditions. I do this by pumping the brake very slightly while at the same time feeling for grip. By doing this I can brake alright even in the rain with sports hard and not lock up the brakes.

BUT because I'm at the limit even when braking I often brake a bit earlier than others (people who use ABS) to leave a bit of room for error, while with abs you can just pick your braking point, park your foot on the brake and you'll pull up at the same place always.

Often because of this I get bumped by poor racers but other than that I haven't felt in a disadvantage because I don't use ABS, so I highly recommend people who aim for realism try it.



I'd certainly like to try. 500pp Nordschleife Sports Hard?

I don't understand your comment about brake bias. Sure you can't adjust it with percentages but 4/1 works fine. The fronts lock up before the rears do and the overall brake power is alright.

In all the videos I've posted I've been driving without ABS and in them I lock up only a couple times.

You must adjust your brake balance. Try 2/1 or 4/1. The lower the numbers the lower overall brake power you have so you can press the pedal more until the wheels lock up.

So while saying driving with ABS isn't realistic in GT5, you're also saying you need to adjust un-adjustable factory brake settings on cars in order to drive without ABS....

How is that any more realistic?

 

[OK8]

So while saying driving with ABS isn't realistic in GT5, you're also saying you need to adjust un-adjustable factory brake settings on cars in order to drive without ABS....

How is that any more realistic?

You know as well as I do that factory cars don't come with 50/50 brake balance. A simple flaw on PD's part but that changes nothing.

 

[CSLACR]

You know as well as I do that factory cars don't come with 50/50 brake balance. A simple flaw on PD's part but that changes nothing.

I don't know that it's a flaw.
I think they chose 5/5 as a standard number to give, this doesn't mean when you drive a Civic the rear brakes actually get as much power as the front. If that were the case, the rear would lock and you'd spin, or with ABS on, hell you still might spin, but you'd certainly know the rear was locking first.

A quick spin in a number of cars tells you this isn't the case.

 

[OK8]

I don't know that it's a flaw.
I think they chose 5/5 as a standard number to give, this doesn't mean when you drive a Civic the rear brakes actually get as much power as the front. If that were the case, the rear would lock and you'd spin, or with ABS on, hell you still might spin, but you'd certainly know the rear was locking first.

A quick spin in a number of cars tells you this isn't the case.

But you do spin. 5:5 means there's actually equal force going to the front and rear wheels which is why most people don't even attempt driving without abs since you spin if you as much as look at the middle pedal. The rears lock immediately and this can't be the real factory brake balance since it's atleast 70% front in real life.

Which brings me to the unrealistic nature of the ABS. It seems to do much more than just stop the wheels locking or it's doing it so well, even with 5:5 brake balance you can slam on the brakes and still make a good turn in while holding full brake pressure. I don't know about you (I haven't driven much with abs) but I can't even sense the different wheels locking and releasing and struggling for grip, which they're supposed to do. I just stamp on the anchors and come to a standstill.

I'm at work now (yay for a stupid desk job) so I can't test this but when I get home I'll do some tests on different tyres and different brake balances with abs 1 and I can almost sense that even if you set brake balance to 1:10 with comfort hards you'll still pull up no problems.

I'm not mocking people who drive with ABS 1 (how could I, the vast majority of people who play this game drive that way), but I just can't do it myself because it feels so pointless. You can never "fail" braking unless you miss your braking zone. It takes a part of the challenge away and I consider it an aid as much as SFR.