So let me get this straight, no demo for GT5 on PSN but a demo in stores?

[loki993]

Ok I don't get this. Apparently it was said that there wouldn't be a demo because there wasn't the money for it. I always thought this was bunk, because they had already at that point made, I cant remember exactly, 5 or 6 demos for various events and any one of those could have been easily uploaded to PSN for probably nothing.

Now I come here and apparently there will be a demo but it will only be in select retail stores? Am I think only one that thinks that ridiculous. Also I can see how that doesn't cost money either. Seems like it would have been easier, not to mention a better way to treat fans of the series, to just release it on PSN when they knew darn well we all wanted it.

I don't know, I guess I don't see how I cant feel like were all getting shafted. Just release the frigging thing on PSN.

 

[Lilday]

Having a demo in retail stores allows customers to play the game, and then instantly pre-order if from the buzz they have because they are fresh from the game.

If somebody plays a demo at home and then goes to the store to purchase it, they have time to change their mind or choose another game that tickles their fancy.

That is my theory anyway.

 

[Nielsen]

I think they want to sell more copies of GT5 Prologue. Even though it compared to GT5 is outdated in several aspects, it's still a GT5 preview which Sony probably wants to milk to the max.

 

[SuperShouden]

Ok I don't get this. Apparently it was said that there wouldn't be a demo because there wasn't the money for it. I always thought this was bunk, because they had already at that point made, I cant remember exactly, 5 or 6 demos for various events and any one of those could have been easily uploaded to PSN for probably nothing.

Now I come here and apparently there will be a demo but it will only be in select retail stores? Am I think only one that thinks that ridiculous. Also I can see how that doesn't cost money either. Seems like it would have been easier, not to mention a better way to treat fans of the series, to just release it on PSN when they knew darn well we all wanted it.

I don't know, I guess I don't see how I cant feel like were all getting shafted. Just release the frigging thing on PSN.

Kaz said there wasn't enough TIME for a PSN demo. Money has nothing to do with it. ($80 million so far, I don't think a little more for a demo would make a difference) And there really isn't enough time. Think about this: PD is still working on GT5 when it should be going gold in about a week. NFS Hot Pursuit, is pretty much complete with about 3 weeks before it goes gold, giving Criterion Games plenty of time to throw together a demo.

Most of the "Demos" you see at shows of GT5 are partial builds of the full game. They simply have parts locked out. The Best Buy demo is probably the first true demo since GT5P. And who knows, we might just get it. But don't hold your breath as the demo appears to be from an earlier build.

 

[blaktek]

These shop demos could well be part of a market study. With several versions around, it's not hard to pinpoint which version's videos pop up on youtube. Thereby, they can discover which areas contain the most insane petrol heads (bringing a vidcam to the mall and film yourself playing is insane, but freakin' awesome) and do whatever they want with the data.

Maybe they will hold an event in those locations, or make sure to avoid them.

 

[iAMgt5]

Generally, I'm weary of a game that doesn't put out a demo BEFORE release (read: NFS Shift). But with GT5, I think it's safe to make an exception. The most likely reason for us not to see a demo is what SuperShouden said. They just don't have enough time for it. Unlike a game such as Forza3 (which I loved), which was trying to increase its fanbase and bring the allure of racing games to the masses, GT is still a pretty hard-core sim geared to the more hard-core racers, those who don't need to demo a game they're going to buy anyway. That market demographic alone is enough to secure PD the sales they need. Anything on top of that is pretty much icing. Sure some folks will sway over to check out the game for its kart racing, or its eye-candy. But it seems the game is staying true to its roots - THE driving sim.

Even if a demo does show up, I'm gonna skip on it simply because I want to experience the WHOLE thing when I get my hands on it. While it would be nice for PD to put out a demo for those that may feel shunted otherwise, I'd rather they spent those resources on the finishing touches being done right now.

I'd recommend you to check out F1-2010 but the game's pretty craptastic, and sadly a poor reflection on codies (IMO). Other than that, you're just gonna have to take a nap for about a month

 

[d3br34k5]

A PSN demo isn't going to help sell any more copies.

Everyone who owns a PS3 and loves cars is already sold on GT5. The remaining few who are on the fence will buy it (or not) based on what they read around the net after the game is released.

I'm sure there are many who would love to see a PSN demo so they could have a chance to rip the game apart, spouting bollocks on forums before the launch. I personally think that PD has chosen their course of action very specifically with regards to not releasing a demo.

You've got it straight, now you can wait.

 

[Antonisbob]

Im pretty shure thats what prologue was for. Same thing for GT4 right? it went GT4: Prologue, then I tryied a demo in E.B. Games one day, Then finally GT4 was released.

 

[ICEMAN_ZIDANE]

i really don't understand some people

THERE WILL BE NO GT 5 DEMO IN THE PSN STORE !!!!
AND THAT IS !! VERY !! GOOD

only new games or bad games need a demo because the company which made the game want to present their new game

but we are talking about GT 5 here

ps: yes sometimes its good to have a demo because you can test if its good or not but this is GT 5 , there is nothing bad
+5~6 years developtment time
2 years for only 1 track ( nordschleife )
1 year for 1 car ( premium )

you can close your eyes and buy it because you cant do something wrong its the ebst racing game ever

 

[Devedander]

Well this thread has certainly brought the poor logic right to life around here hasn't it...

 

[hardvibes]

I'm okay with all the different demos, discovering new details like skidmarks, damage, sounds, better ai until GT5 comes out.

Just release the frigging thing on PSN.

How about no? At this point I don't want a demo on the PSN. Also, Kaz wrote twice on his twitter that there won't be any so I don't know why you should keep discussing.

 

[iAMgt5]

Well this thread has certainly brought the poor logic right to life around here hasn't it...

care to elaborate?

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

I must admit I would like to see a demo on PSN that contained say 1 track and 5 cars to use. However some of the builds i've seen at TGS, E3 for example have contained a few tracks and quiet a few cars. This I wouldn't like because it would spoil the surprise when GT5 is actually released.

There are a few franchises that don't need demos because you just know they will be excellent games i.e GTA & MW games. Now GT definitively fits into this category. The unique thing about GT is gamers will buy this even if they aren't fan of racing games. They buy it because they know of the exceptional quality that all GT games bring. So basically PD don't need a demo to sell GT5.

 

[hardvibes]

By the way I just noticed that F1 2010 doesn't have a demo either.

 

[Daverytimes]

Ok I don't get this. Apparently it was said that there wouldn't be a demo because there wasn't the money for it. I always thought this was bunk, because they had already at that point made, I cant remember exactly, 5 or 6 demos for various events and any one of those could have been easily uploaded to PSN for probably nothing.

Now I come here and apparently there will be a demo but it will only be in select retail stores? Am I think only one that thinks that ridiculous. Also I can see how that doesn't cost money either. Seems like it would have been easier, not to mention a better way to treat fans of the series, to just release it on PSN when they knew darn well we all wanted it.

I don't know, I guess I don't see how I cant feel like were all getting shafted. Just release the frigging thing on PSN.

We back to this again i thought it was already cleared. (I dont mean to sound rude or anything like that)

 

[trk29]

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[trk29]

Ok I don't get this. Apparently it was said that there wouldn't be a demo because there wasn't the money for it. I always thought this was bunk, because they had already at that point made, I cant remember exactly, 5 or 6 demos for various events and any one of those could have been easily uploaded to PSN for probably nothing.

Whats funny is there is no telling how much Sony has spent in the recent weeks flying people all over the world so they can go into a store and download this demo to a dedicated playstation. Instead they could have put it on the psn and got every single unit at once.

Kaz said there wasn't enough TIME for a PSN demo

And honestly with all these select demos just for certain events (la Sarthe, new york, gamescom, E3, seems like they have been spending a great deal of time putting together demos that they said they have no time to do)???

I for one would have liked to have a demo just for the ring and one car but I don't really care. Mine is preordered and I know I am buying it, but that doesn't change the fact that if I could play a simple build right now I would not hesitate.

i really don't understand some people

THERE WILL BE NO GT 5 DEMO IN THE PSN STORE !!!!
AND THAT IS !! VERY !! GOOD

only new games or bad games need a demo because the company which made the game want to present their new game
but we are talking about GT 5 here

ps: yes sometimes its good to have a demo because you can test if its good or not but this is GT 5 , there is nothing bad
+5~6 years developtment time
2 years for only 1 track ( nordschleife )
1 year for 1 car ( premium )

you can close your eyes and buy it because you cant do something wrong its the ebst racing game ever

ahem.... Call of duty, Killzone 2, Little Big Planet had demo's pretty big games too, now why did they have a demo? They thought everyone on the planet would buy COD.

(In Generaly not directed towards you)For them no to be able to put together a demo for a game that is almost 6 years in the making there really isn't an excuse. And before anyone starts yelling GT5 Prologue, that cost money and for the people who didn't get to download the demo forever ago (not close to GT5 Launch) they can not try it now unless they travel to a select town at which this incomplete demo is at.

By the way I just noticed that F1 2010 doesn't have a demo either.

Yeah but the last one did have a demo.

 

[Anes]

We had a demo, it was called GT Academy.

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

We had a demo, it was called GT Academy.

i wish we could still play the time trial demo

 

[Devedander]

care to elaborate?

only new games or bad games need a demo because the company which made the game want to present their new game

Right... Just Cause 2, Killzone 2, Dirt 2 etc...

you can close your eyes and buy it because you cant do something wrong its the ebst racing game ever

Apparently someone has a time machine...

A PSN demo isn't going to help sell any more copies.

Everyone who owns a PS3 and loves cars is already sold on GT5. The remaining few who are on the fence will buy it (or not) based on what they read around the net after the game is released.

Assumptions = Fact?

I'm sure there are many who would love to see a PSN demo so they could have a chance to rip the game apart, spouting bollocks on forums before the launch.

Wait there is already a demo and the people who have negative opinions are rapidly reminded it's only a demo... hmmmm

Kaz said there wasn't enough TIME for a PSN demo. Money has nothing to do with it. ($80 million so far, I don't think a little more for a demo would make a difference) And there really isn't enough time. Think about this: PD is still working on GT5 when it should be going gold in about a week. NFS Hot Pursuit, is pretty much complete with about 3 weeks before it goes gold, giving Criterion Games plenty of time to throw together a demo.

Most of the "Demos" you see at shows of GT5 are partial builds of the full game. They simply have parts locked out. The Best Buy demo is probably the first true demo since GT5P. And who knows, we might just get it. But don't hold your breath as the demo appears to be from an earlier build.

So there is no time to make a demo despite the fact there are multiple demos out there between game shows and retail store already and the multiple demos that already exists are simply current builds of the game with limited access... which means they don't qualify as demos' because... ummm.... wait that's exaclty what demos are.

 

[iAMgt5]

i get it ... there's also folks here who just like to troll in topics here on GTPLANET just like almost any other forum.

it took you, what ... 4 hours? to come up with that response? stop trolling and either contribute positively or don't.

 

[Tornado]

it took you, what ... 4 hours? to come up with that response? stop trolling and either contribute positively or don't.

Believe it or not, you can positively contribute to a thread in the GT5 subforum without completely kissing PD's ass.





The "PD don't have time to do demos" idea is completely silly, plain and simple. They've done probably at least half-a-dozen limited-access PR events in the past 3 months, not including another brand new 3D tech demo shown off two days ago.

 

[iAMgt5]

hey ... i believe that. but if you want to or don't want to kiss someone's ass ... do so with a reason. i wholeheartedly believe in giving a company crap if they do not deliver on expectations.

however, what are our expectations at this moment? a demo??? i think not. our expectations are a solid driving sim that meets our expectations and their promises. now, what would i rather see? a demo that semi-delivers on those promises or a full-fledged release that meets all or most of those promises. let me think about it and i'll let you know in my next post.

again, trying to come across as a neutral party without making a solid point is also, IMO (note the caps for IN MY OPINION) pretty akin to trolling.

come release date and after, if i'm bummed at the product in my hands, and i don't bitch about it, yes, then you can accuse me of kissing ass, but at the moment, it's pretty pre-mature of you to do so.

 

[trk29]

GT is still a pretty hard-core sim geared to the more hard-core racers, those who don't need to demo a game they're going to buy anyway. That market demographic alone is enough to secure PD the sales they need.

This quote can be taken in two ways actually.

A) The demo could reach more people and would have a potential to sell more.
B) Some may download but may not like it. But if they don't have the option to try what gives them the reason spending $60 on a game they may not like if they can't try it without going to a gaming convention or driving several hours to try.

Just like flight sims they are hard-core sim geared to more hard-core pilots. But it is a niche market and they never really sell tons and tons. And without demos a flight game may suck but with a demo more people may get into flying so the same can be said about GT5.


My point is they have already made several demos and them not having enough time to create one for the psn is not a very good reason. Like I said demo or not I am buying it.

 

[iAMgt5]

you're right ... it can be construed in 2 ways, but just for the sake of debate:

A - the ALLURE of the game could sell more, because people want to see more of the eye-candy they've seen in trailers and read and heard about

B - a casual gamer picks up the demo, gives it a couple spins and says "fook this, this is serious ****, i just wanna kill some time" ... that's one less customer. same gamer only sees, reads, and hears about the game. says to self "damn, this looks tight, i gotta get it" ... one more customer.

sure it may be a dirty tactic, but i really don't think it is. simply by what the name of the game declares: "gran turismo 5 - the real driving simulator"

 

[Devedander]

i get it ... there's also folks here who just like to troll in topics here on GTPLANET just like almost any other forum.

it took you, what ... 4 hours? to come up with that response? stop trolling and either contribute positively or don't.

Believe it or not, when people respond to your post 4 hours later it doesn't mean they were necessariy sitting idly at their computer the whole time... you know sometimes on a nice Saturday afternoon people do things between looking at forum updates... or did it really take you 40 minutes to make come up with that response to my post?

(hint-post took me all of 5 minutes at most including an edit).

BTW did I hit a nerve or something? Cuz it seems like your the one adding nothing valuable and trolling now... or are you just doing your part to keep the faulty logic train chugging along?

hey ... i believe that. but if you want to or don't want to kiss someone's ass ... do so with a reason. i wholeheartedly believe in giving a company crap if they do not deliver on expectations.

however, what are our expectations at this moment? a demo??? i think not. our expectations are a solid driving sim that meets our expectations and their promises. now, what would i rather see? a demo that semi-delivers on those promises or a full-fledged release that meets all or most of those promises. let me think about it and i'll let you know in my next post.

again, trying to come across as a neutral party without making a solid point is also, IMO (note the caps for IN MY OPINION) pretty akin to trolling.

come release date and after, if i'm bummed at the product in my hands, and i don't bitch about it, yes, then you can accuse me of kissing ass, but at the moment, it's pretty pre-mature of you to do so.

Oh... I guess you are...

 

[kyleh613]

Believe it or not, you can positively contribute to a thread in the GT5 subforum without completely kissing PD's ass.

The "PD don't have time to do demos" idea is completely silly, plain and simple. They've done probably at least half-a-dozen limited-access PR events in the past 3 months, not including another brand new 3D tech demo shown off two days ago.

This is pretty much true. They simply don't want to do a demo, but there is no way in hell they are going to say they don't want to do a demo. That would look really bad.

People just need to deal with it. We are not going to get a PSN demo. It sucks but that is life. I just keep checking Best Buy, Target, and Gamestop every weekend for the demo. They still don't have it where I live.

 

[Neal]

The full game is out in 5 and a bit weeks, why would you want to spend hours playing a demo at home and ruin discovering what the full game is like from scratch?

Also I think there may be more people who only want to see what GT5 is like and wouldn't buy it after playing a demo than people who are undecided and would be swayed to buy it after playing a demo.

 

[Raficoo]

We already have a Demo... GT5 Prologue ;/

The "demo" they put in stores and Shows are probably for updates on the main content to come.

I, for one, haven't even bought the PS3 yet, nor have I ever played Prologue!!! Don't wanna spoil the fun

Keeping all the suspense and excitement for the "BIG DAY"

 

[Sasek]

I bought a PS3 about 3 weeks ago. I saw how looks GT5 Prologue. I bought them for less than $ 20 with the platinum collection. It looks like big demo version for me. 6 location more than 70 cars, I did not buy yet Ferrari F1, finished all gold in about 3 weeks. It is true that I did not wait to play GT5 as long as you, but I can imagine that after completing the Prologue 2 years ago, no demos so far can piss off. I had no opportunity to play Time Trial by GT Academy, but it's not a demo for me. Demo should look like and have everyting that full version offers. Physics, skidmarks, damage etc. There should be few cars 4 or 5, and 2 tracks and I mark it again with the final built of the final game.