Some picking on the PP system, with details - more specific info welcomed

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OK, we all know that the tuned Elises are the best cars in their class and that the system is flawed to a point. I did some quick research, pitting the Elise against the Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo. The findings can be seen below, with conclusions.

Lotus Elise 111R / Tuned

100% power, 248 bhp
90% weight, 621 kg
R3 / R3 tyres
20 / 35 downforce
...650 pts...

Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo

65% power, 460 bhp
111% weight, 1243 kg
S2 / S2 tyres
10 / 20 downforce
...650 pts...

And their idea was to make things fair. I assume this would have meant that every car with 650 pts would have performed approximately equally and was probably done in good belief but as we can see the system doesn't work at all.

Let's begin with the WPR. Every bhp in the Elise has to propel almost exactly 2500 grams. However, every bhp in the Amuse has to proper almost exactly 2700 grams. The more powerful car is being punished already and this is just the beginning.

But the ridiculousness doesn't end here. The PWR difference might be bearable but the amount of handling robbed isn't. The Amuse is crippled with little more than half of the downforce of the Elise and tyres that are medium DOT legals while the Lotus is running on soft full slicks.

And to make things ever worse, even if they had a similar WPR, the same downforce and the same tyres, the Elise would still win because there are no downsides for lightness but a lot of advantages. It would still decelerate better, corner better and even accelerate better out of slow corners.

In my opinion the power loss doesn't take away nowhere near enough points, neither does adding weight. Going from full downforce to minimum downforce makes a huge difference on the track but in points it's roughly equivalent to losing 7% of the power which makes hardly any difference on a flowing track. Moreover, dropping from R3 tyres to S3 compound cripples the car completely but costs only a bit more again than that power decrease.

In short, what should be changed in my opinion:
  • All round heavier tolls on lightweights to combat their inherent advantages
  • More points loss for decreasing power
  • An increased points importance of downforce
  • Bigger points steps for the tyres
 
there are no downsides for lightness but a lot of advantages. It would still decelerate better, corner better and even accelerate better out of slow corners.

Wouldn't the weight transfer to the front help in braking and also the reverse help in acceleration out of slow corners? To an extent the more weight you put on a tyre the more grip it has...

But I agree the PP system is stupid, I knew it would be. Forza2 used it and ended up with a few cars dominating in each class also. It should not be modified because they will never get it right. They should just get rid of it.
 
This whole new system is actually one of the reasons I probably will end up holding off playing online until I can decide to just do it with friends. A points system, PD? Seriously? What happened to this being realistic?

If this takes the place of the tuning we know and love, it will be unforgiveable.

Though it's worth pointing out this is the first time the series has really been able to showcase the benefits of lightweight in regards to PWR ratios. Some of the vets to GT will remember the EZGT OLR series. You basically had a target lap time before the season starts, and if you went under, then you had to detune the car. Basically, provided people didn't sandbag, you were all on a roughly level playing field going into the season, with differing ratios all over the place.

Every season, I found it far more advantageous to stick to a heavy car with a bit more power, netting a PWR ratio that a lightened, less powerful version of the same car might share with it, but only the heavier one would be hitting the goal time. The series never ran on GT4, so I don't know if it's still accurate there, but it definitely applied in GT3; the Supra SZ-R was a far faster car when you gave it more power instead of taking weight away. Always seemed counter-intuitive, so I'm glad it appears they've at least solved that.
 
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