Someone is feeling a little jealous

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Yes but lets put this into context, when was the last time JV wasn't critical of other F1 drivers?

Lets have a look at the JV links alongside that BBC article..

Villeneuve slates Schumi 'lies'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/5262088.stm

Villeneuve has Raikkonen doubts
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6376617.stm

Villeneuve handed Le Mans chance
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/6247391.stm

Villeneuve parts company with BMW
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/5243540.stm

Four stories and three of them have JV having a pop at others, MS was a cheat, KR is overated and BMW were at fault for him leaving.

JV has, in my opinion, always a rather large imbalance between talent and mouth. I guess 10 days time at LeMans will see if he still has anything left.

I don't personnaly see how Hamilton's starts have been black-flag worthy at all, if anything Alonso's start from a few races ago when he was half on the dirt to pass was far closer to that than anything Hamilton has done.


Regards

Scaff
 
Well Schumi has lied and Raikonnen has fallen behind Massa, but I can see your point. I haven't noticed Hamilton doing anything dangerous at the start of races.
 
It's not a case of JV being jealous, but simply him being rude. All the interviews he gives usually have him "speaking his mind", which is little else than an opportunity to slam the other drivers.

Well, Jacques, how's your music career going?
 
I love this....

The Canadian said Hamilton's behaviour was similar to that of former champion Michael Schumacher, who was widely criticised for dirty driving.
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Surely, thats a good thing when you consider the amount of titles Micheal won, not all dirty driving. It's good to see Hamilton getting into the thick of the action, you don't win a title by yielding.

I'm with Scaff, at LeMans we shall see what JV can do.
 
Hamilton will never see a black flag. As long as everyone in F1 tries to be as PC as possible, Lewis might get the flag of african descent. :p
 
I think JV gets too much flak for what he says. I remember his article in F1 Racing magazine I think it was, it had the headline "Jacques spills dirt on drivers" or something like that. All he did was give an honest opinion on all the drivers, and the ones he criticized were I think Ralf Schumacher and I think Jenson Button or Sato, don't remember which one. I think articles exagerate the things he says by using some key words that grab people's attention. That's my opinion anyway.

And also, back in the older days, some of Lewis' moves at start might get him into trouble. I remember the FIA used to be much more critical in the 90s. Anyone remember how Eddie Irvine was banned for like 2 or 3 races in '94 for a crash of his (which nowadays probably wouldn't get you into trouble, did Sato ever get banned for those mishaps?, dont think so), or how Schumacher was banned for 3 races for passing during warming up lap.
 
I still fail to see on anyone of Lewis' start a move which would be deemed illegal. The closest I can see is at the start of Monaco when he immediately moved over to the other side of the grid. As far as I know that is within the rules?
 
I can't see why it would be illegal unless he was riding shotgun for Alonso and blocking anyone behind him. The nature of Monaco means that the start is crucial; Hamilton was probably moving over to defend the racing line into Ste Devote to prevent anyone from passing him. Drivers do have the right to defend their position, after all, and while overtaking might be difficult in the principality, it's not unheard-of.
 
If you want my honest opinion on that article, I'd say Villeneuve needs to "shut the hell up!". So yes, he had one world title, but after that, he didn't do anything else than complaining of other drivers, as if it were their fault he was doing so bad, I'm glad he's out of the F1 (may sound a little harsch...).

Anyway, we'll see what he does in Le Mans, I don't expect too much from him. How much we bet he's going to crash and blame somebody else? I'll keep supporting for Pirlo, McNish, Kristensen or who ever still drives for Audi...
 
JV will keep rustling feathers every few months for as long as he can. I have a feeling he will end up like Jackie Stewart, Eddie Jordan, and Damon Hill. Their mouths will outlive all of us.
 
MustangSVT
I think JV gets too much flak for what he says. I remember his article in F1 Racing magazine I think it was, it had the headline "Jacques spills dirt on drivers" or something like that. All he did was give an honest opinion on all the drivers, and the ones he criticized were I think Ralf Schumacher and I think Jenson Button or Sato, don't remember which one. I think articles exagerate the things he says by using some key words that grab people's attention. That's my opinion anyway.
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Having read the F1 Racing Magazine piece I don't think that JV was misquoted in that particular piece. I also have to say that he would have to be staggeringly unlucky to be misquoted every single time he speaks (or maybe, just maybe he often opens his mouth without thinking).



MustangSVT
And also, back in the older days, some of Lewis' moves at start might get him into trouble.
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Exactly which of Hamilton's starts have been problematic? Having seen every race so far this year the only start I've seen that was remotely concerning was Alonso's, as I mentioned earlier. I can't recall seeing a single driver having to take evasive action as a result of Hamilton's starts, nor can I recall any of the drivers or teams complaining of his actions (and I think we can both agree that had they reason they would).


MustangSVT
I remember the FIA used to be much more critical in the 90s. Anyone remember how Eddie Irvine was banned for like 2 or 3 races in '94 for a crash of his (which nowadays probably wouldn't get you into trouble, did Sato ever get banned for those mishaps?, dont think so), or how Schumacher was banned for 3 races for passing during warming up lap.
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I disagree that the FIA is more or less critical back in the '90s, the entire Irvine incident was a farce, its extremely debatable if the accident was his fault. Even at the time many described it as a 'racing incident' with no one at fault and the three race ban seen as Draconian at that. Many believe it was only enforced because prior to the season start Max Mosely had promised to punish anyone who was believed to have stepped over the line.

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As you can read (I hope) even Max Mosely later said the penalty was harsh, remember politics is nothing new in F1.


Regards

Scaff
 
Scaff
Exactly which of Hamilton's starts have been problematic? Having seen every race so far this year the only start I've seen that was remotely concerning was Alonso's, as I mentioned earlier. I can't recall seeing a single driver having to take evasive action as a result of Hamilton's starts, nor can I recall any of the drivers or teams complaining of his actions (and I think we can both agree that had they reason they would).

Scaff
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I didn't say I'd have all the answers. I don't know which of Hamilton's starts is problematic, you're better off asking Villeneuve. It looks like I'm the only one with this opinion that he gets too much flak for being quoted, so I'll shut up now.
 
MustangSVT
I didn't say I'd have all the answers. I don't know which of Hamilton's starts is problematic, you're better off asking Villeneuve. It looks like I'm the only one with this opinion that he gets too much flak for being quoted, so I'll shut up now.
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No need to shut up, its a fun discussion. You raise an interesting point however, that I am aware of even JV has not been specific about which starts he believes to be an issue. Given that, and that none of the other drivers involved have said anything I'm sure you can see why (in at least this incident) people think that JV may be a bit out of line.

Personally I think he's doing it to grab a little attention prior to Le Mans, after all he's never been shy about self-publicity.


Regards

Scaff
 
Starts are the only time you see passing (on track) during a GP. Someone like Hamilton who has the balls and ability to take a risk yet make a move cleanly and fairly, as he has done for every GP start this season, should be rewarded not punished.
 
Scaff
Personally I think he's doing it to grab a little attention prior to Le Mans, after all he's never been shy about self-publicity.
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took the words out of my mouth, thats exactly what he is doing I didn't know that JV was doing LeMans but because he critized Hamilton which is the biggest thing in F1 this year he was bound to get some coverge
 
Wow. He sounds like a NASCAR driver who got wrecked...

((These days, they are complaining more, I've noticed...))
 

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