Sony Ships 1 Million PS3's the the US

[Jeremy Ricci]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6163828.html?tag=latestnews;title;1

Very impressive, considering according to NPD numbers, Sony only shipped around 197K at launch.

I'm confused about one of the regions they're going to launch to in March, however:

Dille also set a new goal for the company in the keynote. He said that Sony hopes to ship 6 million PS3s worldwide by the end of March. The electronics giant will launch the PS3 in several new regions that month, including Europe, Russia, the Middle East, Africa, and Australasia.

WTF is Australasia!?

 

[Solid Lifters]

Sounds like a made up word for Australia and Asia. Kind of like SoCal.

 

[Tornado]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6163828.html?tag=latestnews;title;1WTF is Australasia!?

The area surrounding and including Australia. Also known as Oceania, the continent of Australia and/or Australia and the Polynesian Islands.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

I hate catchy things like that...it's ridiculous!

 

[Tornado]

One must think though, that due to Sony just barely undercutting the shipped window predictions of mid 2006 may mean a revised look at the European launch, as the PS3 is in demand, but not necessarily high enough demand to force Sony to delay the European launch (especially with the news of massed-produced blue laser diodes and the far overzealous figures for Japan) any farther than March.

 

[ND4SPD]

Cool, is that US only numbers or does that also include all of North America?
Just read the article and read it was for all of NA, thats pretty cool!
Wait, the article said they planned to ship all that by the end of the year, end of the year 2006 or end of this year?
Just 200$ from getting one myself.👍

 

[Solid Fro]

I can hear the fanboy rhedoric and excuses now: shipped, not sold! waaah! As far as I'm concerned, ship and sold are the same. Microsoft only shipped 600,000 360's in it's launch window.

But, you won't see that on Joystiq. More "media" censorship:



There is a stack of 360's too! I guess it's not selling either.

 

[TigJackson]

I hate catchy things like that...it's ridiculous!

Australasia is a term variably used to describe a region of Oceania: Australia, New Zealand, and neighbouring islands in the Pacific Ocean.
The term was coined by Charles de Brosses in Histoire des navigations aux terres australes (1756). He derived it from the Latin for "south of Asia" and differentiated the area from Polynesia (to the east) and the southeast Pacific (Magellanica). It is also distinct from Micronesia (to the northeast).

Educate yourself at the source for the above information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australasia

 

[Duke]

I hate catchy things like that...it's ridiculous!

??? Catchy?!

In 5th grade geography - 1975 - I was taught about "Australasia" as (previously described above) the area encompassing Australia and all the various islands between the continent and mainland Asia. This term is nothing new.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

Alright, perhaps I have missed it in my education in the past. Through elementary, highschool, and even my college level Geography, I have never herad the term "Australasia" used for the regions described. I apologize if that seems impossible to you all, but the Educate yourself comments, and the like, are not needed, seriously. You could have just posted a link and described what it was. Thanks for the info though.

Anyone else think it's funny that the media would rather talk about how many PS3's are "sitting around" instead of the fac that Sony has in fact surpassed their demand, something no console prior has been able to do? Or the fact that they've made the PS3 the fastest shipped console out of their console history?

I love how the media is always consistent, recognizing that if you can spin it in a negative light, it will get more attention.

 

[DuckRacer]

I think this statistic is to be expected. Didn't Sony originally say that there'd be 400k on the NA launch (when there were half) and 2mil at the year's end (which turns out to reach only 1mil)?

But nonetheless, congrats to Sony. I guess they really did meant what they said when they declared that manufacturing problems were fixed.

I'm going to predict 4-5 million units sold by the end of March.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

Honestly, I could care less about past shortcomings, this is absolutely amazing for them to pump out new hardware with so few faults (currently) in such a timely manner. It's unheard of.

 

[Tornado]

I can hear the fanboy rhedoric and excuses now: shipped, not sold! waaah! As far as I'm concerned, ship and sold are the same. Microsoft only shipped 600,000 360's in it's launch window.

Complete and utter nonsense. If hell is going to be raised over whether Microsoft's claims are either amount sold or amount shipped (as it was a few months ago), there is no reason that someone can't turn around and do the same at Sony. I'm not saying it's right for it to happen either way, but it certainly isn't right to turn a blind eye to the criticism going the other way.
Oh, and 600,000 is more than 480,000, just so you know (and I am expecting attacks for that, so bring 'em).

Anyone else think it's funny that the media would rather talk about how many PS3's are "sitting around" instead of the fac that Sony has in fact surpassed their demand, something no console prior has been able to do?

One could be the result of the other in both ways, it must be said.

Or the fact that they've made the PS3 the fastest shipped console out of their console history?

I thought the PS2 (I may be wrong) had a million by the end of the year too.

 

[Vasco]

Honestly, I could care less about past shortcomings, this is absolutely amazing for them to pump out new hardware with so few faults (currently) in such a timely manner. It's unheard of.

But they're only 'pumping' them out to two regions...and the PAL region has to wait until March to receive their first shipment of PS3s. Surpassing demand isn't exactly something a company would want to achieve though, wouldn't they rather have lower supply than demand (close to equilibrium of course)?

 

[Tornado]

But they're only 'pumping' them out to two regions...and the PAL region has to wait until March to receive their first shipment of PS3s.

That is true. However, the demand of the PS3 has more or less matched then PS2's when it was launched world-wide, so it is still an accomplishment. Whether Sony is ready for the load the PAL release will give is another matter entirely, and only time will tell.

 

[Zrow]

Anyone else think it's funny that the media would rather talk about how many PS3's are "sitting around" instead of the fac that Sony has in fact surpassed their demand, something no console prior has been able to do? Or the fact that they've made the PS3 the fastest shipped console out of their console history?

I love how the media is always consistent, recognizing that if you can spin it in a negative light, it will get more attention.

Buddy, you're the guy that started the thread in the 360 forum exclaiming that Microsoft just rendered all of their 360's obsolete based on a rumor. In other news, they just hit the 10 million mark. Talk about negative spin.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

Buddy, you're the guy that started the thread in the 360 forum exclaiming that Microsoft just rendered all of their 360's obsolete based on a rumor. In other news, they just hit the 10 million mark. Talk about negative spin.

If Sony announced all future models of the PS3 would include new hardware that I did not get, I'd be just as Pissed, so how about you retire yourself

 

[BlackZ28]

Buddy, you're the guy that started the thread in the 360 forum exclaiming that Microsoft just rendered all of their 360's obsolete based on a rumor. In other news, they just hit the 10 million mark. Talk about negative spin.

word. took the words out of my mouth.

 

[Vasco]

If Sony announced all future models of the PS3 would include new hardware that I did not get, I'd be just as Pissed, so how about you retire yourself

Well the only improvements are a 120GB HDD and a HDMI port right? That doesn't really affect me at all since I have no intention of streaming to my 360 and IPTV will not launch in Australia until the next century (most likely)....also my HDTV only outputs at 720p max so I have no use of 1080p.
Plus when you invest in technology it's a given your model will become outdated after a year or so (DS -> DS lite as a gaming example?), that's the way the industry works.

 

[Jay]

Well the only improvements are a 120GB HDD and a HDMI port right? That doesn't really affect me at all since I have no intention of streaming to my 360 and IPTV will not launch in Australia until the next century (most likely)....also my HDTV only outputs at 720p max so I have no use of 1080p.
Plus when you invest in technology it's a given your model will become outdated after a year or so (DS -> DS lite as a gaming example?), that's the way the industry works.

Vasco stop lying you're pissed admit it.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156307

I told you the media would find some way to spin it. Ignore the fact that the PS3 outsold the 360 with out any games, while the 360 spun up Blue Dragon. To add to that, the PS3 launch has *matched* the 360, even if it wasn't a world wide launch.

Basically, MS Shipped 300K to the US, 300K to Europe, and something like 300K to Asia. 900K total. They sold roughly 1.5Million by the end of 2005 in total.

Sony, with just Asia and NA, hit 1.3 Million, in a matter of two months, with a $200 premium price tag. So I think the media pointing out these minor short comings is yet again their denial of their terrible ability to accurately report the news, and predict the "future". I'm just going to lean back as they continue to spin the news in negative ways, lol.

DODGE the VIPER - Right. So to the other consumers who waited for their HDTV's specifically for HDMI and / or 1080p support, or the people who spent $99 on an already overpriced small HDD, they shouldn't be upset? If MS prices their $120GB HDD at $149.99, then you're saying the people who went out and got a core, then later got the $99 HDD shouldn't be mad? Or the fact that MS is going to now slit their user base once again by offering a lot of downloadable content, and now thier 20GB users either have to keep deleting and downloading, or upgrade to the bigger HDD, thus spending more money.

So yes, I'm mad. Only because the HDD is NOT normal in the 360, and the addition of HDMI stinks. Granted, I sold my 360, but if it would have had those features, I would have kept it.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

If hell is going to be raised over whether Microsoft's claims are either amount sold or amount shipped (as it was a few months ago), there is no reason that someone can't turn around and do the same at Sony. I'm not saying it's right for it to happen either way, but it certainly isn't right to turn a blind eye to the criticism going the other way.

100% agreed, but the sales figures tell a diferent story:

http://www.vgcharts.org/ngwars.php

• Microsoft claims 10.4 million XB360 were shipped... only 8.34 million SOLD. (5.38m in NA)
• Sony claimed 1 million PS3's shipped to NA... .86 million SOLD. (1.41m including Japan)

In other news, they just hit the 10 million mark.

If what MS PR man Moore says is true, and they have shipped 10.4 million XB360s, then 2.06 million of them haven't been sold. That's a lot of warehouse and showroom space being eaten up.

Unless the extra 2.06 million reffers to replacement XB360s for consumers who sent back units that were not working.

 

[Tornado]

I told you the media would find some way to spin it. Ignore the fact that the PS3 outsold the 360 with out any games, while the 360 spun up Blue Dragon.

The 360 launch had Call of Duty. Nothing else.

To add to that, the PS3 launch has *matched* the 360, even if it wasn't a world wide launch.

Yeah, and 1/3rd of that world wide launch wouldn't have mattered if they were paying people to take 360's.

Basically, MS Shipped 300K to the US, 300K to Europe, and something like 300K to Asia. 900K total. They sold roughly 1.5Million by the end of 2005 in total.
Sony, with just Asia and NA, hit 1.3 Million, in a matter of two months, with a $200 premium price tag.

Except Microsoft sold that 1.5 million, in less time than the PS3 did, with practically no consoles sold in Asia.
I understand your point about how the media is spinning things, but ignoring the fact that the 360 is as popular as dirt in Asia and that the 360 had still sold more by the end of 2005 than the PS3 did by the end of 2006 isn't lending much sympathy to your plight.

If MS prices their $120GB HDD at $149.99, then you're saying the people who went out and got a core, then later got the $99 HDD shouldn't be mad? Or the fact that MS is going to now slit their user base once again by offering a lot of downloadable content, and now thier 20GB users either have to keep deleting and downloading, or upgrade to the bigger HDD, thus spending more money.

All of that pales in comparison to offering system hardware upgrades and hard drives and then completely dropping support for them within 4 months of them being backed up by a game to use them with. Which Sony has done.

 

[Pako]

*snip*

Unless the extra 2.06 million reffers to replacement XB360s for consumers who sent back units that were not working.

*gets out the M$ bash stick and flexes upper body*



1.5 million waiting for RMA confirmation, .56 sitting in warehouses and showroom floors.

I went through two Xbox's before I got my third one that lasted longer than the 90-day warranty period. Can you guess why I'm still hesitant to pick up a 360?

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

The 360 launch had Call of Duty. Nothing else.

Yeah, and 1/3rd of that world wide launch wouldn't have mattered if they were paying people to take 360's.

Except Microsoft sold that 1.5 million, in less time than the PS3 did, with practically no consoles sold in Asia.
I understand your point about how the media is spinning things, but ignoring the fact that the 360 is as popular as dirt in Asia and that the 360 had still sold more by the end of 2005 than the PS3 did by the end of 2006 isn't lending much sympathy to your plight.

All of that pales in comparison to offering system hardware upgrades and hard drives and then completely dropping support for them within 4 months of them being backed up by a game to use them with. Which Sony has done.

The 360 did NOT sell more than the PS3 in the USA at the end of 2005. IT DID NOT.

The 360 BARELY managed to hit 600K at the end of 2005. Sony SOLD over a MILLION in the US by the end of 2006.

What are you going to tell me when the PS3 outsells the 360's first two months? If you take November / December numbers for the 360, and then in the end of April, compare the PS3's March / April numbers (for europe) then what are you going to say?

Jack squat.

The 360 outsold the PS3 in ONE region ONLY because of shortages. The PS3 OUTSOLD the 360 in the US it's first two months. It OUTSOLD the 360 in Japan in it's first two months. It WILL outsell the 360 in Europe in it's first two months.

PS: The 360 Had Call of Duty, Quake 4, PGR3, Kameo, and DOA4 at it's launch (or launch window).

The PS3 had Resistance? Maybe RR7?

Facts are facts, and the PS3 will catch the 360 very VERY quickly.

 

[Tornado]

The 360 did NOT sell more than the PS3 in the USA at the end of 2005. IT DID NOT.

Which is great. I never said it didn't.

The 360 BARELY managed to hit 600K at the end of 2005. Sony SOLD over a MILLION in the US by the end of 2006.

See above.

What are you going to tell me when the PS3 outsells the 360's first two months? If you take November / December numbers for the 360, and then in the end of April, compare the PS3's March / April numbers (for europe) then what are you going to say?

The point train left and you weren't on it.
YOU said that the PS3 launched without any games worth playing, barring probably Resistance. The 360 only had 1 that anybody cared about at launch, and that was Call of Duty 2, and maybe, JUST MAYBE, PGR3 (DOA 4 was NOT a launch game, so don't even try to count it as one; no one gave a damn about Kameo at that point; and Quake 4 was a port of a PC game).
YOU said that the PS3 two-region launch matched the 360 worldwide launch, despite knowing full well that the 360 Asian launch had practically no effect on sales.
YOU said that the 360 sold 1.5 million in by the end of 2005. That is hardly more than a month in all regions it was sold in (clever how you didn't say it launched two weeks closer to the end of the year than the PS3).
YOU said that the PS3 sold 1.3 million by the end of 2006, with a week more time to sell in America than the 360 had.
YOU said that the 360 had a "worldwide launch," whereas the PS3 only sold in two territories. I said that one of the three territories the 360 was moot, and you just ignored that point.
The fact remains that the 360 sold more units in two of its territories than the PS3 did in the two territories, because I DEFY YOU to tell me that the 360 sold more than 100,000 in Japan. I DEFY YOU. The fact that the PS3 will catch up is moot and not what my point was anyways, because you are arguing against media bias while flagrantly showing off your own bias.

Facts are facts, and the PS3 will catch the 360 very VERY quickly.

Which none of the points you raised in your post that I originally quoted support or even allude to, nor was it my point at all.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

"ROFL WOFLS"

Okay, we'll play hardball then

1). If the 360 had even the slightest chance to push out 400K units in a matter of two weeks in the USA, sure, I'd definately agree with you, but saying that the two week difference had an impact at all is ridiculous. ANd it makes me giggle!

2) Asia does matter, because it's still consoles sold. Period. It doesn't matter how good or bad it does, it's consoles sold, and since that is what this debate is about, saying anything different is pointless.

3) DOA4 launched what, a few weeks after the 360? That is considered a launch window title. Just like I said, launch or launch window. Key words and attention to detail are great when interpreting the meaning of a paragraph.

4) In Japan, the PS3 launched with FOUR games. I'm pretty sure the 360 had much more, simply put, MS did nothing to entice Japanese gamers, and they still don't. Even with Blue Dragon they don't.

5) I challange you to find me the total sales numbers for all regions within a 2 month period for the 360. Then, you can take the first two months of the PS3's lifespan in the USA and Asia, and then in April, add it to the first two months of the PS3's lifespan in Europe. You'll be pleasently surprised.

The PS3 is doing BETTER than the 360 was doing early in it's life span, there is absolutely nothing to argue here, no bias, at all. It's fact, numbers speak for themselves, period. When the PS3 smashes europe, there will still be negative press, but Sony will STILL be selling faster than the 360 was early in it's lifespan. Shocker right?

 

[Tornado]

1). If the 360 had even the slightest chance to push out 400K units in a matter of two weeks in the USA, sure, I'd definately agree with you, but saying that the two week difference had an impact at all is ridiculous. ANd it makes me giggle!

Well, it certainly sold 362,000 in the single week it was available in November.

2) Asia does matter, because it's still consoles sold. Period. It doesn't matter how good or bad it does, it's consoles sold, and since that is what this debate is about, saying anything different is pointless.

But counting the farce that was the Asian launch against the 360 does matter when they had barely sold 100,000 by April of the next year. Without the Japanese launch, the 360 launch would have been 1.4 million. Oh god, it went down so low!

3) DOA4 launched what, a few weeks after the 360? That is considered a launch window title. Just like I said, launch or launch window. Key words and attention to detail are great when interpreting the meaning of a paragraph.

How about more than a month after the American launch, and nearly two months after the European launch.

4) In Japan, the PS3 launched with FOUR games. I'm pretty sure the 360 had much more

Yeah, A walloping SIX games! One of which was a variation of Tetris.

5) I challange you to find me the total sales numbers for all regions within a 2 month period for the 360. Then, you can take the first two months of the PS3's lifespan in the USA and Asia, and then in April, add it to the first two months of the PS3's lifespan in Europe. You'll be pleasently surprised.

The 360 sold roughly (I'd say subtract 50,000-ish for the last week of January) 951,000 in the first two months in America. The PS3 sold 860,000 in its first two months, plus whatever the first half of January brings. Sony sold 525,000 in Japan in two months, with Microsoft selling 110,250 in its first two months. Microsoft sold (my only figure, which may be inaccurate) 500,000 360's in Europe by the beginning of Febuary.

The PS3 is doing BETTER than the 360 was doing early in it's life span, there is absolutely nothing to argue here, no bias, at all. It's fact, numbers speak for themselves, period. When the PS3 smashes europe, there will still be negative press, but Sony will STILL be selling faster than the 360 was early in it's lifespan.

Except it isn't really selling too awful much better (barring Japan), and unless they have a stupidly smash launch in Europe it will still be roughly even in most regions except Japan.
I fully expect the PS3 sales to not taper off as fast as the 360's, by the way; so I'm sure PS3 will catch up, as will the Wii. I've been pretty sure it was going to happen since Peter Moore started blasting his crap about how the big early launch would lead Microsoft to victory, connecting it to how much the same thing happened when Peter Moore worked at Sega on 9/9/99.

Shocker right?

Please stop trying to make it sound like I give a damn either way. I could care less which one outsells which, because I'm both impartial and apathetic. I'm only interested in the factual matter. Which this topic has happily kept straight to so far.

 

[DuckRacer]

100% agreed, but the sales figures tell a diferent story:

http://www.vgcharts.org/ngwars.php

• Microsoft claims 10.4 million XB360 were shipped... only 8.34 million SOLD. (5.38m in NA)
• Sony claimed 1 million PS3's shipped to NA... .86 million SOLD. (1.41m including Japan)

If what MS PR man Moore says is true, and they have shipped 10.4 million XB360s, then 2.06 million of them haven't been sold. That's a lot of warehouse and showroom space being eaten up.

Unless the extra 2.06 million reffers to replacement XB360s for consumers who sent back units that were not working.

Funny. That same Peter Moore said they shipped their 10 millionth unit months ago.

And VGCharts is as reliable as NextGenWars.

because I'm both impartial

If Sega released another console that would change.

 

[Tornado]

If Sega released another console that would change.

Yes. Yes it would. Alas, you read me too well. I don't pick sides with Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft because I hate all of them.